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Old 06-13-2011, 12:05 AM   #11
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....The whole "next stage" belief system is what really bothers me. We have arrived [at] that battle within the context of a very homophobic and misogynist society has been rough.
Yes, that battle has been very rough, indeed. To fight for identity on two fronts at once, is unacceptable. I think this is one of the under articulated issues at the core of the "gender wars".

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....These are the very reasons that it is really important for butches to be able to talk about our identity as butches outside of any trans viewpoints sometimes.
Exactly. It's essential lest we lose sight of who WE are within the LGBTQ panoply.

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I say sometimes because I recognize that other butches [were/are] indeed [on a] continuum- but not all of us are.
This is why I prefer the term spectrum. It avoids all that unintentional, or intentional, ranking of butch-ness which is too often based in "cismale" or heternormative constructs. That's the dominant culture front of our two front "battle".

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It is just erroneous to put all butches on that continuum. It hurts, is dismissive and simply erroneous- causing as much damage to butches....
For me, this is the community front of the "battle".

The "all butches" part is where we diverge, AtLastHome, assuming we do on this issue. I don't think butches are on the same continuum as those who transition. I think we're on a different trajectory. Again: Why isn't that ok?

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It gets really difficult to feel like I am walking on a tight rope if I try to talk about being butch as my true state of being as a finished human being....
Life on a "tightrope" is too high a price to pay only to find oneself in a two front "battle".

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I (and many other butches) have spoken to the positive aspects of varying gender theories that are finally flowing within society and in our small population. There is freedom in gender theory that applies to butches as well as transgendered and intergendered folks. And femmes that love them- and butches. I just want to accept this gift and find some peace and happiness. Hurting each other is just not part of that peace.
I haven't found "freedom" in gender theory. I don't mind if others have. I just want to be able to say I haven't without being villified.
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