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Old 10-23-2011, 11:35 AM   #1515
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Aj my sister friend.........

It's hard to have a conversation with you sometimes. I completely understand your need to dissect and your need for exactitude; you are a scientist and that is your nature. Those things serve science, but they make back and forth dialogue between people difficult.

The average American has no idea about US foreign (and domestic) policy, about NATO, about the UN, about any of our treaties and alliances or the importance of those things. Just look at the Tea Party and the Republican debates and your blood should run cold and scared. That was my point about no-fly zones in Iraq. Most Americans did NOT know. Michelle Bachman said recently that it wasn't enough the Obama got us into Libya, he is now taking us to Africa (she said this about Somalia).

I believe that every President (except Bush 43) was involved in some kind of military/civilian/spy covert shenanigans in Libya. Maybe it was not planes dropping bombs, but none the less some kind of crap was going on. Libya has oil.

I am reminded of my time in the military during Vietnam. The US military was not (involved) in Cambodia, Laos or Thailand.........big FAT SNORT.......we were and had been since at least the early 50's.

Companies like Blackwater did not spring up like magic. They have been around a long time and the CIA has used them effectively (sometimes not) for decades. The CIA and drugs and arms are generally unprovable facts, with some exceptions. The CIA gets it's money to operate from somewhere and it's not all the US government. Evidence of the CIA (and it's covert operators) actions is difficult to find....for a reason. You surely know the story of how crack cocaine came to Oakland and the rest of the country? Surely you know the opium trade is linked to them?

As to the KGB.....I figure we (and UK, France, Germany) were up their butt as much as they were up ours. I happen to believe the CIA (and it's friends) are not stupid and have been successful over the years, much in the same way as the KGB has been successful.

The need for proof is how covert operations always have deniablity. No proof, well it didn't happen. Our government also relies on the average american's stupidity and ignorance of our history and current events. Watch this hand while the other one is stealing your chickens.

I would love to talk about these issues. I hinted it would be better served around my firepit with a bowl of good bud, than being dissected line by line, paragraph by paragraph. I look forward to that day my friend.
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