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Originally Posted by Metropolis

I find it very interesting that what I hear consistently is that many (not saying all) butches don't feel the pressure/need to publicly identify as one or the other until entering (mainly online) B-F communities. The only advice I would give to someone who's suddenly finds themselves mulling the "ID's" to try and find a fit... is to look damn close as to who's expectations and definitions you're actually cleaving to and what made you feel like you need to.

Because at what point are we no longer breaking gender stereotypes when we define/label ourselves as XYZ ID'd butches, but rather bowing to the binary stereotype and kissing patriarchal ass-umptions and expectations of the sexes by obediently adhering to their perceived limits/restrictions in what female/male means.

I feel like in turn we're sometimes failing to stronghold the uniqueness, limitlessness and possibilities of just who we are already as butches without needing additional outside affirmation in that context.

Again, just random thoughts...
Metro

And random wisdom like this that speaks to so much of what I have experienced and I think, bowed to at times. Thoughts about why I have had such differing experiences within the B-F comminity than what I brought along with me as being someone with significant TG friends since the 1960's outside of it. You have hit on something, Metro that has often puzzled (and offended) me just as a human being. I hope this gets explored more in the thread.