[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by guihong

I think as a community, we're getting away from sorting everyone into "butch" and "femme", and dealing with everyone as an individual. Many of us just can't or won't be boxed into any grouping, despite the site name. I suspect that some of us are really here for broader support for being gay, and not to be any one label.

Are we, really? I understand that we don't want to pro/pre-scribe anyone's gender for them, but a big part of our butch-femme movement was a reaction against second-wave feminism saying we were WRONG for being butch and femme because we were perpetuating the heteronormative gender binary.

I don't want to speak for Medusa, Jack, Rhon, etc., but--- these sites were, as I understand it, created to be a safe space to celebrate genders that did not fit the mainstream lesbian androgynous ideal

A place to come and find acceptance for gender expressions that were rejected in our local lesbian communities

It is great that some of us are able to come here to get support for general gayness, but making that into the purpose of the site ignores our movement's history ***IN MY SELDOM-HUMBLE OPINION***

"getting away from sorting everyone into 'butch' and 'femme'" has been going on since 1968 and many of us felt forced into politically correct expressions that did not match our identity. I personally came to this movement to escape that.

Of course you cannot say "femmes are always pink and frilly, and butches are always hard and blocky" but when you make a logo, you look at the broad strokes and create a shorthand. And looked at in broad strokes, from a distance like a Monet painting, you are absolutely going to see more pink in the femme areas of the canvas. It is not a requirement, but it is a reality

Sooo... I am totally OK with the "f," is what I am saying