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Old 11-18-2009, 04:34 PM   #103
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Originally Posted by Toughy View Post
really???????????

sorry.......ain't buying or drinking that koolaid.........
Toughy, I apologize. I should have been more clear:

I believe the automatic he, hy/she-ing has more often been the fault/responsibility of the butches who actually identified as female and their partners who participated in and/or allowed this to go on without speaking up. See, I do not and will not ever believe that the number of transmasculine folks compares. It can't have been that they were enforcing this behavior via the terrible power of misogyny. And like Medusa, I have been guilty of doing it myself - in a relationship where it went on for some time until we both looked at each other and asked, "Why?" Even she didn't know. It seemed the thing to do, and harmless enough. (It wasn't.)

I have witnessed both you and Bulldog fight for your own recognition, however, and I was always and still am glad for this.

What I argue here is what seems like a false dichotomy. I disagree that we can compare queer people or born-female-bodied ones who inhabit male space/identity as the Oppressor. As He Who Must Examine His Misogynist Tendencies More Than Us. It sets him apart. And I believe that 'setting apart' is the rub. Most transpeople, to my mind, are not receiving privilege.

Not in this space, and not in any other.

I disbelieve even an online space allows for it.

I call the notion that they are misandry. Transphobia, possibly. I don't know. But it feels...wrong.

We have all had these discussions before. I want every woman here - butch or no - to be recognized. I have always felt this way. But I also do not want to see an 'othering' take place where transfolk are somehow shouldering the responsibility of the misogyny that was born of a patriarchy that does not even allow for their existence.
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