I just want us/ people to stop denying the things that are right in front of our faces. Sometimes we're confused but a lot of the time we're just playing games. I think that's our greatest failing. How are we ever going to grow and evolve as a species if we won't stop lying to each other and ourselves? So maybe you don't agree with the vegan position and I can accept that without a lot of complaining but let's stop distorting the facts about everything...