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just to have a little perspective on why i don't like Harris at all...she and Biden are friends..she asked him to campaign for her when she ran for the Senate..what a hellacious way to pay him back..no wonder he looked shocked and then very sad..what a Benedict Arnold she is w no moral compass..she is worse then a boogey man because she likes to pretend she is righteous & so above it all instead of being transparent and admit to being the low-life bottom feeder, she is
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Sometimes I think that politics is like an onion. Some people sit at the centre with very strong views, cut away, and angrily try to draw everyone in. Tears come fast and strong.
Others are on the outside peel ring and see it is the biggest and the easiest to peel off, peel by peel. Tears still come but you can step away, take a breath and think how deep you want to go.
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Well, Biden stuck his foot in his mouth again at a fundraiser hosted by a prominent member of Seattle’s LBBTQIA community.
While giving his speech he gave an example of “how far the LGBT community has come” by saying that just 5 years ago people in Seattle would still be able to laugh at a gay waiter. Who writes his stuff? Seattle has always been full of us, and no one would have put up with homophobic crap 5 years ago! I know he means well, but at some point this “open mouth insert foot” spiel of his needs to stop before he offends every group he needs to vote for him! |
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As for "class" in politics, that probably went out when Henry Cabot Lodge died, whenever that was. Three names are always very "classy".
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Also, we are actively in a moment of obvious crisis where everyone who isn't in a bubble knows, if only in the sense that they don't like to think about it, that the world is kind of actively ending while we sit around feeling helpless to do anything about it. What I'm saying is, now is the exact time to offer an alternative to the status quo, because the political landscape right now is not simply about the traditional left-right distinction but also about a significant chunk of the electorate wanting any alternative to the sinking ship we're on. If we run a status quo candidate, it continues to look like only Trump and the fascists he represents are even admitting that there's a crisis. The situation is ripe to shatter the veil of misinformation surrounding what capitalism and socialism even are, and to start advancing the notion that opposing the exploiter class is not only possible but also legitimate. Which is to say, we get to start mainstreaming the idea that the material interests of the small minority of employers, landlords, and other exploiters are inherently anathema to the interests of the vast majority of people whose income comes from their labor, and that it is these material interests that determine who shares your survival interests and thus whom it is possible to peacefully coexist with, rather than membership in a racial, ethnic, or national tribe. Quote:
Donald Trump is not even the disease. He is a symptom. Biden, for instance, is building his campaign around the message that the only problem is Donald Trump and that once we're rid of him everything will be hunky-dory again. The problem is that the "normal" we would go back to was the exact disease that led to Trump in the first place: Trump did not create our current political environment; he was created by it. Biden could defeat Trump in 2020 because Trump is simply that much of a god damn embarrassment, but he has already committed himself to letting the disease (capitalism and its death throes) fester, and the exact crises that led to Trump's election will simply continue to progress until the next election comes along and the public is even more desperate for any escape from the status quo Biden represents. Quote:
The two-party system isn't simply a political reality, it is a mathematical reality. The Spoiler Effect is so insurmountable that it would be more feasible to mount a hostile takeover of one of the two existing Actual Parties than it would be for a third party to win a presidential general election. Thankfully, it's looking like Bernie has a perfectly realistic shot at the nomination. His performance in 2016 wasn't half-bad considering he was up against one of the most powerful people in the Democratic Party at the time and the party machine was bending over backwards to coronate Clinton, and he's dealing with far less formidable competition this time around. Quote:
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This type of personality will probably not work well in International Relations. A candidate with that is "statespersonly" will be better to patch up what Trump has done to our relations, especially with Canada, Germany, and Great Britain. The candidates that fit that bill include Biden and Sanders also some way down on the polls like Bennet. It is not an easy quality to put into words; however, "class" doesn't work either. Class infers "bourgeoisie." We also need to find one candidate that most Democrats and some people on the fence or passed off Republicans will vote for. We don't need to follow the example of the Far Left and have a multi-candidate splinter resulting in a win for the other side.
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As far as getting someone that "most Democrats" and "some people on the fence" or "pissed off Republicans" will vote for, I would argue that a move to the center can't do this effectively, because the center doesn't actually offer any reason to vote for it. It doesn't have a narrative or meaningful answers, and is associated with the maintenance of a toxic status quo. It can't convert people who weren't already onboard, and it also can't win over the massive chunk of people who are so disillusioned with the status quo that they won't go to the polls at all if the status quo and Trump are their only options. Moving left and offering an actual left-wing narrative and answer for our crises is the only thing with the power to do that. We live in times where, again, the traditional left-right distinction is ripe to be supplanted by a status quo-vs-populist distinction instead. The fash are already pushing right-populism aggressively, and the only thing that can actually defeat it long-term is left-populism. |
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I need to read this entire thread...but till I do, a couple of thoughts.
1. A shit house rat would be better than the Cheeto. 2. My current favorite is Elizabeth Warren 3. All of the Democratic Presidents I remember were centrist. I dream of a Socialist Utopia, or at least the programs that LBJ put in place, healthcare and education for everyone and no children in cages. 4. I will vote for whomever the Dems run for President 5. I think Kamala Harris is very elegant and poised...don't see the classless/unstatespersonish angle 6. What the hell is it going to take to get Trump out of there, though, I am not sure Pence would be any better 7. I have heard whisperings that Trump is going to drop Pence for 2020 and run ....Ivanka as VP...
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The U.S. is not, in any way, in shape to have a revolution. The true left does not have the support needed. Now, if you're talking Sanders and Democratic Socialism, maybe the country can entertain the idea. Only maybe, but Bernie doesn't have the backing, polls reveal that centrists would be more likely to be successful. I feel that we need to, above all, defeat Trump else this current Fascist course continue. However, there are leftists who believe that the more right-wing a climate, the more likely a revolution will succeed. Personally, I prefer not to tempt fate.
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Socialist utopia? Socialism is no utopia, no government is. They all need much work to succeed, yes?
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Utopia is a dream...not possible I agree. Yes, government is a lot of work. It seems that Capitalism, pure Socialism and even Capitalism look good on paper, but you put people in the mix and they are a disaster. A mixture might work, but that puts us back with the Centrists. As a kid I wanted to Communist until I realized they served the same food at every restaurant...on the other hand, I want everyone to have food and shelter and healthcare and education. The US is so huge and diverse it presents problems that smaller populations don't.
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Unless Trump switches horses in midstream and picks Ivanka for VP, I think she can kiss any aspirations for public office goodbye at this point! |
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OMG, I hope so! She has always creeped me out, but her Lotita on the Prarie thing at the G-whatever, flirting with her dad made me sick.
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How the Hell did a greasy fat-fingured ignorant buffoon come to a position where he can murder tens of millions of people with the wave of his hand.
Americans, as a whole, are responsible for this mess. Fix this please and stop complaining about "others" opining on the damage that the Government and its policies are inflicting. You're a "world power" and the damage and the incredibly ignorant polices affect us all. This is not just an "American" planet.
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And now Trump has got a buddy in the UK. Twice as smart, but just as crazy. At least the Brits get to listen to articulate insanity.
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make that " fat-fingered "
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