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11-01-2016, 08:15 PM | #5861 | |
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Okay, so say two kids are caught with equal amounts of pot. This is a first offense for each. One gets 6 months probation and the other gets 16 months in juvenile detention. For the same crime. Even taking out the probation versus juvie, the sentences certainly aren't fair for. the. exact. same. crime. Life isn't fair, no, but do we have to sacrifice fairness for convenience? Both kids knew that pot was illegal. It seems like it should be an assumption that the consequences for their actions should be relative to one another or at least in the same ballpark. This is supposed to be fun for us, right? Having to wait nearly a year to participate because I screwed up would be a bitter pill to swallow if it were me. I decided to introduce this now to give time for people to let it marinate for a while before the end of the year and really consider some options and what they would feel is not only appropriate but could actually work. I truly appreciate all the feedback so far as it's given me food for thought. I don't expect to figure things out right away but these responses have been a hella good start. It's one thing to hear from people who haven't had to sit things out for a bit but I'm so glad that sis posted and her idea is really good. I don't think anyone plans on falling off but because this is supposed to be fun, I don't want the consequences to outweigh the benefits of joining rounds. On the other hand, I don't want folks to get away with murder (or ghosting or flaking out, etc ) either. The time of each of us is equally valuable and I don't want to waste anyone's nor have my own time wasted. I keep coming back to the wranglers. There have been wranglers that, they themselves, have been unreliable with time frames and whatnot. We depend on wranglers now but changing the premise would put a little more responsibility on the wranglers to honor the thread's intent and rules and hold those who don't follow them responsible as well. Anyway, it's something to think about. |
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Clay was correctly conveying my thoughts. After reading the posts after that, I think quite a few want to keep closer to the original way it's been working but with a shorter time out of 6 months or so, right? I would agree to that...I'll go along with whatever the majority wants. So, how's the coloring going for everyone? I made my copies today and am bringing mine to work to work on during my lunch breaks...a good stress reliever! |
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I like the notion of some degree at least of self policing. I like the idea of personally stating you are on restriction and when/ for how long so there's a record of it in the thread. But I also think someone needs to be keeping track and tabs on people. Unfortunate that it has to be that way.
It seems we need to agree on what the restriction should be. I think six months is fair. It should be a big consequence but not too big, I think. I'll agree to whatever the majority thinks. |
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As someone who has totally flaked out and been a difficult participant in the past, I don't really have anything to add except that I agree with a lot that has been written already. It would be nice to have twice yearly amnesty, but I also feel like if it's the same people over and over, they should be more honest with themselves and everyone else as to whether or not they will complete the project on time. The other hard part is how to keep track.
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I agree with CCB's post, & like that we are having this discussion!
cara....I LOVE the word "amnesty" as I disdain the words..."banned/restricted/etc..etc..... amnesty has a really cool ring to it...really impressed that folks have owned their part, & I like to see us discussing this topic! Thank you to the ones who have come forward & owned it. That shows a lot of courage!! I know we can have an amazing year next year!! Self policing is a really helpful way for us all to keep up with things!! I love this group...I do! I do!!
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Just so I'm clear... lol we send a copy of whatever we colored along with eight not colored copies (or similar) of whatever we did. Right?
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I recommend sending your original to the wrangler as a gift for being the wrangler. Then you can send copies of your finished project to the other seven people. You would also send all eight people a similar coloring paper for them to color that is blank except for the design that they will color in. Personally the project I'm doing is not so complicated that I can't do originals for everyone. So that's also an option to keep in mind. I think the idea of sending people copies is more for if it is a really involved original project that takes a very long time and could not be replicated without quite a lot of effort.
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I wrote up a draft to include some of our concerns from this year to use for 2017. Does it seem okay?
"For 2017, the rule is if one of our projects is received by the wrangler more than seven days after the due date, or one of us drops out of a project for whatever reason, that person is welcome to continue posting but is not allowed to sign up for a group project again until six months from the latest date that the project was supposed to be due. No exceptions. This rule applies to participants and to wranglers. Wranglers must mail out projects within one week of the latest date that the projects were supposed to be due. In addition to waiting six months before being able to join a penpal project, the person who has not met the latest deadline must post directly on the penpal thread within a week of missing the latest deadline stating that they have not adhered to the deadline (reason is welcome to be included or does not have to be) and, most importantly, the date on which they will be able to return to participating in the penpal projects. They must scroll back and add themselves to the bottom of the list of any other participants who have not met the late date for any project for 2017. If that is not done, then the member is welcome to participate in the thread with "thanks" and reps and thread chat but not to participate in any future projects for 2017. The reason for this is personal responsibility, so that we have a running record right on the thread that is easy to refer back to when needed. And for the purposes of clarification, if someone drops out before the deadline to sign up has been closed then they are not excluded from future projects because they are still following the rules. Example: Bitsy misses the late date for a project. Within a week of that late date she must scroll down and find the most recent list of people who have missed the late date in 2017 and copy that list to a new post and add herself. Bitsy's post would look something like this: 'Sorry, I had the bird flu and missed the late date of 2/14/17. I can start participating in new projects on 8/14/17. I have added myself to the list below: 1. Tony (missed the late date of 1/28/17, able to participate 7/28/17) 2. Bitsy (missed the late date of 2/14/17, able to participate 8/14/17)' This rule must be posted in its entirety at the bottom of all new projects that are being wrangled so that members can thoughtfully consider whether we wish to commit to a new project."
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Now, are we keeping the 2016 rule the same and implementing the updated rule for 2017? Just wondering how this will potentially effect me.
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No changes would be made until 1/1/17. The current rule stands for 2016.
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Ok, I think I've got it. Do we have addresses for everyone yet?
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Hi Lyte,
For the coloring project, everyone just needs to PM their address to me. I will PM everybody my address soon, so you can mail all of your colorings and your blank pages to me. Also, please remember to send $5 for shipping. I hope everyone is having fun coloring!
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Just like Georgia said, all of your work goes to her. She will collect everyone's work, repackage them according to size/weight/etc and send them back out again in new packaging with work from all of the participants.
That is what the wrangler does and this is where the money for packaging comes into play. If, for some reason, your package is larger than average, send more than $5 to compensate for that and for the extra cost Georgia would have in mailing your work out to everyone else. |
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I think I picked a coloring page that may be too detailed. Two hours later and it looks like I've only just begun. Or maybe I should change my medium from a fine tip pen. Also? I'm not the world's greatest colored. Regardless, it has been a nice few hours of coloring. 😊
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Glad people are having fun coloring! I was sorry to miss this one.
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