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Old 06-06-2018, 03:15 PM   #7061
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Unfortunately as mentioned by Gemme, the tracking numbers only are valid as far as the border, after that it changes from Canada Post to the USPS, and their numbers are not compatible with each other in this case especially since it is letter post vs package post. Super sucks as I had this sent out before I left Canada with well over 2 weeks window to be received. Other mail that I sent on the same day was received in other parts of the USA within 5-8 days. So here's to fingers crossed, saying a little prayer, and sending speedy delivery thoughts.. that some how it arrives TODAY. If not, I guess I have no choice but to take my lumps, but shit.. and grrrr!
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You still have 2 days, Breathless!

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Sending you all the good mail juju I have, Breathless!!!
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Breathless, hoping for tomorrow for yours. The bad part is that if it doesn't fit in my mailbox, the postman takes it up to the office which is only open until 5pm, so if I'm not home I won't get it until Monday. It will not be late if it is delivered tomorrow but is in the office of my apt complex until Monday. I sure hope it arrives.


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I'm feeling sad but I have to say this...Breathless, I didn't get your project in the mail yet. I was home in time to check in the office and there were no packages for me. It seems so unfair when you mailed it well ahead of time. I'm so sorry.

I will wait until the mail comes on Monday to see if it arrives before sending the packages out to everyone. I'm putting them together this weekend.

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It is what it is.. there is nothing that I could do to change it from here. Had I been home, I could have redone my project and overnighted it.. however silly me thought 3 weeks was enough time for a simple envelope with no customs declaration needed as it was just paper and glue and a bit of sparkly ink to make it to the southern regions of the USA.. Lesson learned.. I hope that it is received by Monday, and I really wanted you all to receive them.. I really liked this project.
Well.. more time for homework I guess.. (insert a really pouty, yet pointless pouty face)
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I'm going to throw this out to our group..

I think there could be a special exception for Breathless. She planned far in advance. We had 6 weeks and her project has been traveling for half of the time spent of the project. I really don't think we should time her out. Think of all the times she has been on time. Yet alone the money she spends on shipping.
Perhaps the collection of cards already received could still be sent. Once hers arrives, they can easily be sent in a letter envelope.

I'm willing to let any outside the country crafter have a little more leeway, if the need should arise.

Anybody else?
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I'm going to throw this out to our group..

I think there could be a special exception for Breathless. She planned far in advance. We had 6 weeks and her project has been traveling for half of the time spent of the project. I really don't think we should time her out. Think of all the times she has been on time. Yet alone the money she spends on shipping.
Perhaps the collection of cards already received could still be sent. Once hers arrives, they can easily be sent in a letter envelope.

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I was thinking the same thing. Breathless sent her project out well in advance and it's not late because of anything within her control. She wasn't late, didn't send things out at the last minute. I think sometimes there are exceptions to a rule. I agree with Besame.
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I was thinking the same thing. Breathless sent her project out well in advance and it's not late because of anything within her control. She wasn't late, didn't send things out at the last minute. I think sometimes there are exceptions to a rule. I agree with Besame.
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It is what it is.. there is nothing that I could do to change it from here. Had I been home, I could have redone my project and overnighted it.. however silly me thought 3 weeks was enough time for a simple envelope with no customs declaration needed as it was just paper and glue and a bit of sparkly ink to make it to the southern regions of the USA.. Lesson learned.. I hope that it is received by Monday, and I really wanted you all to receive them.. I really liked this project.
Well.. more time for homework I guess.. (insert a really pouty, yet pointless pouty face)
You know what? The envelope may have been the issue. Stuff I've sent up there tends to get there faster when I do send it in a package through customs. It still takes 7 forevers, but not as long as the envelopes I've sent up. I think there's one that never even made it to the person I was mailing.

Nan's the wrangler, so I'm comfortable leaving decisions regarding this particular round up to her.

I would suggest in the future to maybe give more time up front for projects involving sis or Breathless or if someone else from outside the US joins in. That would give more time for travel purposes and prevent holding anything up in the back end. We always like more time, right?
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For whatever my thoughts might be worth on this project ...

You'd think getting stuff in/out of our closest neighbor would be fairly easy... oy, it's not. So... Canada deserves an accommodation and special dispensation!*

*I know... redundant ... I just like saying ... special dispensation.
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I took a night to think about this after reading all of your responses about making an exception for Breathless. It is important to me that we are being fair, and not letting one person be late and still participate, yet waiting a few days and sending the project out late and banning that person for 6 months. (This happened to PurePisces last project when she was sick and was a couple days late, and she is on a 6 month time out).

Can we please have a discussion about this and find a way to make it fair for those who live outside the US? I do understand it is not Breathless's fault her project is not in my hands yet, but I would like something in black and white decided on and written out before the next project is completed.

I don't feel the wrangler should have the responsibility (burden) of making this kind of decision. If they ban someone for 6 months they look like an ass, if they go the other way and give special consideration to someone they are not following the rules. My mail concern is fairness, and having the rules followed so no one has to feel like they are favoring or not favoring someone.

With that said most are in favor of not penalizing Breathless, so this time hers will be sent out separate when I get them, and we will not have to wait to start another project...in which she may participate.

I'll be sending the rest out tomorrow in a padded smaller gold envelope.

I'm OK with ideas for the next project, any ideas?
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I took a night to think about this after reading all of your responses about making an exception for Breathless. It is important to me that we are being fair, and not letting one person be late and still participate, yet waiting a few days and sending the project out late and banning that person for 6 months. (This happened to PurePisces last project when she was sick and was a couple days late, and she is on a 6 month time out).

Can we please have a discussion about this and find a way to make it fair for those who live outside the US? I do understand it is not Breathless's fault her project is not in my hands yet, but I would like something in black and white decided on and written out before the next project is completed.

I don't feel the wrangler should have the responsibility (burden) of making this kind of decision. If they ban someone for 6 months they look like an ass, if they go the other way and give special consideration to someone they are not following the rules. My mail concern is fairness, and having the rules followed so no one has to feel like they are favoring or not favoring someone.

With that said most are in favor of not penalizing Breathless, so this time hers will be sent out separate when I get them, and we will not have to wait to start another project...in which she may participate.

I'll be sending the rest out tomorrow in a padded smaller gold envelope.

I'm OK with ideas for the next project, any ideas?

Very well spoken, nan, as always! I know I put it in your lap and that may have been a bit unfair as well but this is your wrangle and I didn't want to stomp all over it.

Honestly, I know I can be a bit harsh when it comes to rules. My first instinct was that it wasn't on time, end of story. We've laid out rules for this very thing and those rules were put in place for very good reasons.

That being said, to my knowledge, there was an effort to get them here in a reasonable amount of time. Pure got dealt a bad hand. She was doing the projects and came down sick. Not much one can do about that. I appreciate that she took some time to get better, for herself and for the recipients of her project. I think the difference is that Breathless' projects were completed well within the time frame. The problem was in the distribution method.

What I would suggest for Breathless that she use DHL every time she sends a package to us. She's used it before on my wrangles and that worked out well. I'm sure it's more costly but most guaranteed things are. For us in the US, I recommend ALWAYS sending something that can be tracked with priority or whatever.

The hard part is when the wrangler initially puts their idea out there, there's no way of knowing right away if there will be an international participant or not, so it's hard to come up with a set time frame that would be accommodating to the participants but still keep things moving so the next round isn't held up. Maybe change the time frame of when we post the dates and details? Give an outline about the project but hold off on dates until the final sign up is tallied?

Right now, we're basing the time allotted on the projects. Some projects are obviously easier to finish than others. That seems fair to me. I wouldn't want to wait 2 months for an ATC or Post Secret project to finish but I would expect it, or longer, for matchbox or other time intensive projects.

We've always been democratic here so what are the suggestions? For us to say, let her eat cake!, I think we should have something in play if this situation comes up again. Or, we leave things as they are and if it does come up again, there's a 6 month vacation, no discussion.

For the next project, I'm pretty open. I did one not too long ago, so I'll wait to see what's out there in our swirly brains.

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I do have to say, I've loved watching CCB go through her 30 Days of Mermay (or whatever the official title is). I would love for us to do something simple like that, to have one topic plus a prompt, and to see what everyone comes up with. It wouldn't have to be mermaids (but, they are awesome!) but it should be something that could be interpreted in unlimited ways. So, when my turn comes around again, I would love to do something like that.
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I'm getting ready to leave home for a few hours (I start work again tomorrow after 5 weeks off) and I appreciate your input Gemme. I;m kind of a stickler for rules as well, they are there so the group/wrangler doesn't have to be in a hard place making a decision like this. How do the rest of you feel.

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Speaking as someone who's been timed out, it sucks. But I took my medicine when I didn't get my project out. There is a part of me that's a stickler for the rules, too. We kinda had the rule in place with the idea that no exceptions were to be made, period. Maybe we should keep it that way.

However, I do feel for Breathless. It's not a matter of her being late on the project, or sending it out last minute. Those things are within one's control, the horrible mailing system from Canada cannot be helped. That's what makes me think special dispensation for out of US participants, as Lyte put it.

Honestly, I'd be ok either way with what the group decides. But I can see both sides of the issue.

NOT helpful, I know. Typical Pisces.
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Honestly, I'd be ok either way with what the group decides. But I can see both sides of the issue.

NOT helpful, I know. Typical Pisces.
Good arguments all around. Well, now I don't know what I think. I think I will once again go with CCB - whatever everyone else decides is okay with me.

(Not a Pisces. But my inner bull has made peace with my Taurean instinctual love of rules.)
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Just two thoughts...

Six months seems like a very time... just on the face of it... and therefore I feel for anyone who would have to suffer such a fate. But... admittedly... I don't know how many projects are typically completed in six months. I'm going to guess, depending on on the project, between two and three? Why aren't people sidelined by X number of projects, rather than a time period.

Everyone needs a free pass now and then. So, going forward everyone gets one ... only if... the project is no more than X number of days late.

Okay, three thoughts...

If it's well established what works... eg: time frames and modes of shipping... then it's not "unfair" to set expectations. Now, if it's discovered that what worked before no longer does... then new parameters must be set... and in turn... new accountability standards reestablished. <~ maybe it's time for that?
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Just two thoughts...

Six months seems like a very time... just on the face of it... and therefore I feel for anyone who would have to suffer such a fate. But... admittedly... I don't know how many projects are typically completed in six months. I'm going to guess, depending on on the project, between two and three? Why aren't people sidelined by X number of projects, rather than a time period.

Everyone needs a free pass now and then. So, going forward everyone gets one ... only if... the project is no more than X number of days late.

Okay, three thoughts...

If it's well established what works... eg: time frames and modes of shipping... then it's not "unfair" to set expectations. Now, if it's discovered that what worked before no longer does... then new parameters must be set... and in turn... new accountability standards reestablished. <~ maybe it's time for that?
I think part of the problem with this is the rule really does need to be short, sweet, to the point, and have no exceptions except perhaps in an extreme case such as this. Maybe we need to decide NO exceptions really means no exceptions.The more I think about it, the more I am leaning that way. I sat out six months and it goes by quicker than you think. It seems harsh but I think it's fair because being late is just not ok to the other participants who put the time in to be one time and we even have a grace period! That's what the additional week is for--unforseen little blibps and blops so you can still get your project in. I think that the way it's set up now is fair. I don't think the punishment is too harsh.

Maybe chalk it up to learning how to mail things from Canada in order to expedite the process? Gemme had some good thoughts on that.
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I'm not always able to participate in group art projects, due to certain constraints (economic means or because of post office USPS concerns), but as an bystander, I felt terrible for both Purepieces and ccb, and now I feel badly for Breathless.


The past two times I've participated, I knew our postal services might be an deal breaker, so I just made up my mind to get my post secret and atc's done and sent off, asap, because I worried that the postal service would not deliver my art envelope in timely ways. Last summer, because our postal carrier retired, I didn't get mail for nearly an whole month, and when our mail boxes were robbed last winter, it was three months before I could get mail at home.

My heart goes out to those who've not been able to complete art projects or faced unintentional postal service issues.

In other art related news: I most likely won't be able to participate in an group art project until maybe fall or around the winter holidays due to big changes in my life that need my full attention.

I look forward to seeing everyone's art and until next time, may the Art Goddess be with you all.
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Just two thoughts...

Six months seems like a very time... just on the face of it... and therefore I feel for anyone who would have to suffer such a fate. But... admittedly... I don't know how many projects are typically completed in six months. I'm going to guess, depending on on the project, between two and three? Why aren't people sidelined by X number of projects, rather than a time period.

I think the time period is the easiest way to say 'stop, start' but this is an option as well. I would be open to discussing this further.

Everyone needs a free pass now and then. So, going forward everyone gets one ... only if... the project is no more than X number of days late.

Too difficult to keep track of who is on their pass(es). We can barely get folks to put the 'on a 6 month hiatus' notification in their posts as it is plus we didn't come up with the hiatuses right off the bat. People continually sent stuff in late, with no money, et cetera. We've used free passes in the past. I'm a veto for this.

Okay, three thoughts...

If it's well established what works... eg: time frames and modes of shipping... then it's not "unfair" to set expectations. Now, if it's discovered that what worked before no longer does... then new parameters must be set... and in turn... new accountability standards reestablished. <~ maybe it's time for that?
We set these parameters after years of dealing with some of the issues I mentioned above and more. Though I started this thread here in 2009, we were doing this on the previous site too so there's a LOT of history. Newcomers haven't been privy to that history, so I'm sure that it seems we're a bit bullheaded about it all when, in reality, we've just seen a lot more and have had the heartbreak of having our projects just lost or forgotten and that's a bitter pill to swallow.
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