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Old 01-15-2019, 06:40 PM   #1
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Default Is Trump a Russian Asset?

The New York Times and Washington Post have dropped some major bombs about Trump being either an unwitting or intentional asset for Putin in his drive to regain the former Soviet Union's prominence on the world stage.
Trump has also been called a "useful idiot" to Putin, which is a phrase they use for anyone not Russian who is too stupid to resist buttering up by Putin.
There are so many stories about Trump's probable collusion, including:

The Kompromat Putin likely has on him (not just the pee tapes)
The FBI deciding to investigate him after he fired Comey and soon after hosted the Russian Ambassador and his pals in the Oval Office
Testimony from flipped associates like Flynn, Cohen and others
The $100 million+ (in cash) that Russians paid Trump for more than 100 Trump properties--which is money laundering
Lies about the existence of the proposed Trump Tower Moscow
Not doing anything about the election hack or Wikileaks
That meeting at Trump Tower with the Russians and most of Trump's key staff, where they all lied about the reason for meeting
The Steele dossier-- so far everything's proven to be true
The staggering number of his staff's meeting with Russians that they lied about to Congress
The Helsinki Press Conference where Trump sided with Putin and against the CIA, et. al.
Trump's insane stance on NATO and dissing our biggest European allies
Pulling out of Syria all of a sudden
And now the ridiculous shutdown, which is crippling our economy

Trump calls Mueller's investigation a hoax and a witch hunt, but there have been a whole lot of indictments and guilty pleas because of it.

What do you think? Is he a traitor?
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Old 01-15-2019, 11:10 PM   #2
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Yup. I sure do think Trump is a traitor. I'm old school about this topic. You DO NOT SELL OUT YOUR OWN COUNTRY!! What the actual FUCK is wrong with all those alleged patriots who still stand with that filthy POS?

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Indeed, Trump is a traitor, and screw that opinion (from Congress - long ago) that a sitting president can't be indicted. There is nothing in the Constitution that reads that a sitting president is immune from the Rule of Law.

Arrest the ass and try him for Treason. Grab him before he has a chance to pull us out of NATO. Of course, he's a Russian asset. A Russian asset, the Soviet Union wouldn't play us like Putin. Russia is a whole different entity than the USSR (pre and post Stalin, that is).
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Old 01-16-2019, 05:27 AM   #4
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Cool Betrayal of the Traitor

To be a traitor, a person usually will say - at one time or another - that they feel betrayed....

And, Trump has said, "that he feels 'betrayed' by his former White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon who was highly critical of him and his family in a book published last week." Jan 12, 2018

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wo...n-2481679.html

"In recent days, the President has complained about the negative coverage blanketing cable television and told confidantes he feels betrayed by the Saudis, who have presented shifting accounts about what happened to the journalist after he entered the Saudi consulate in Turkey three weeks ago to obtain a marriage document and never left." 10/23/2018

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...4am?li=AAggNb9

"White House aides say the president feels betrayed by the iconic American manufacturer's decision" - Harley-Davidson - "to move some production offshore to avoid becoming embroiled in Trump's trade war with Europe." June 27, 2018

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/dona...he-end-1873763

So, yeah, I think the man is treacherous, a traitor.

Another reason that I have to conclude that he is a traitor is that he has no empathy whatsoever. I have noticed that in people who have no empathy, that they have a treacherous streak. [I had a friend, so many years ago, while studying at university, who said that she could be "treacherous"; and yes, she lacked empathy - at that time. Curiously, after graduation, she had an interesting experience, where she experienced empathy for the first time, and the direction of her life changed dramatically afterwards.]

Personally, I have never felt "betrayed" by anyone. When younger, I did feel disappointed in a few people, but that feeling is long gone... Thank goodness for meditation.
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Yes. Pence is equally involved. The Founding Fathers never thought this was a possibility. How many constitutional amendments will it take to prevent this in the future?
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Yes.
And not just him.
I keep wondering how this is happening and how deeply compromised most (almost all) of the Republicans in power are for us to have gotten to this point.

And the shutdown. How does it make any sense? He allegedly wants to wall for safety, but most of the departments that are there to keep us safe, are either closed or working without pay. How long till something REALLY bad happens.
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I was thinking .... useful idiot... is another option. Not to suggest he was unaware of what he was (is) doing. Just that he was (is) too stupid to realize it was going to end badly and/or not go exactly as planned.
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Yes.
And not just him.
I keep wondering how this is happening and how deeply compromised most (almost all) of the Republicans in power are for us to have gotten to this point.

And the shutdown. How does it make any sense? He allegedly wants to wall for safety, but most of the departments that are there to keep us safe, are either closed or working without pay. How long till something REALLY bad happens.
I think the shutdown has zero to do with the so-called wall. I think the shutdown, now nearing a month in duration, was a directive issued to Trump by Putin in order to destabilize our economy and undo economic progress made by Obama, which carried over to Trump's regime. Trump couldn't care less about a wall, unless he was getting kickbacks from vendors. Now that concrete's out, his Mafia pals will lose interest.
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Default The Trump Campaign Accepted Russian Help to Win in 2016. Case Closed.

The Trump Campaign Accepted Russian Help to Win in 2016. Case Closed.

“Cooperation” or “collusion” or whatever. It was a plot against American democracy.

By The New York Times Editorial Board

Aug. 19, 2020


Credit: Erin Schaff/The New York Times

From the start, the Trump-Russia story has been both eye-glazingly complex and extraordinarily simple.

Who is Oleg Deripaska? What’s the G.R.U. again? Who owed what to whom? The sheer number of crisscrossing characters and interlocking pieces of evidence — the phone calls, the emails, the texts, the clandestine international meet-ups — has bamboozled even those who spend their days teasing it all apart. It’s no wonder average Americans tuned out long ago.

A bipartisan report released Tuesday by the Republican-controlled Senate Intelligence Committee cuts through the chaff. The simplicity of the scheme has always been staring us in the face: Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign sought and maintained close contacts with Russian government officials who were helping him get elected. The Trump campaign accepted their offers of help. The campaign secretly provided Russian officials with key polling data. The campaign coordinated the timing of the release of stolen information to hurt Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

The Senate committee’s report isn’t telling this story for the first time, of course. (Was it only a year ago that Robert Mueller testified before Congress about his own damning, comprehensive investigation?) But it is the first to do so with the assent of Senate Republicans, who have mostly ignored the gravity of the Trump camp’s actions or actively worked to cast doubt about the demonstrable facts in the case.

It’s also a timely rebuke to the narrative that Attorney General William Barr has been hawking since before he took office early last year — that “Russiagate” is a “bogus” scandal. Mr. Barr and other Trump allies claim that the Russia investigation was begun without basis and carried out with the intent of “sabotaging the presidency.” That argument has been debunked by every investigative body that has spent any time looking into what happened, including the nation’s intelligence community, Mr. Mueller’s team, the Justice Department’s inspector general and now the Senate Intelligence Committee.

In fact, the committee report, which is nearly 1,000 pages long and is the fifth in a series examining Russian interference in 2016, goes further than Mr. Mueller’s investigation.

For example, Mr. Mueller declined to say whether Mr. Trump had lied under oath when he said that he did not recall speaking with Roger Stone, his longtime aide and confidant, about WikiLeaks, which released the batches of emails stolen by the Russians. But the Senate committee found that the president “did, in fact, speak with Stone about WikiLeaks and with members of his campaign about Stone’s access to WikiLeaks on multiple occasions.”

The committee documented that, on Oct. 7, 2016, Mr. Stone received advance notice of the impending release of the “Access Hollywood” tape, in which Mr. Trump brags about sexually assaulting women. In response, Mr. Stone made at least two phone calls arranging for WikiLeaks to release stolen internal emails from the Democratic National Committee.

The report also found that Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime business associate of Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was a Russian intelligence officer, and may have been linked to the Russian military’s hacking and leaking of the D.N.C. emails in the first place.

Mr. Trump and his allies will parse and prevaricate forever. Ignore them. If it wasn’t already overwhelmingly clear what was going on, it is now. As the Democrats on the committee put it in an appendix to the report: “This is what collusion looks like.” Alas, the Republicans refused to join in on this straightforward assessment, stating in their own appendix that “we can now say with no doubt, there was no collusion.” That is to insist that up is down.

But call it whatever you like: The Intelligence Committee report shows clear coordination between Russians and the Trump campaign, though there is no evidence of an explicit agreement. The evidence the report lays out suggests Mr. Trump knew this at the time. Whether or not it can be proved that he ordered this interference or violated the law in doing so, the fact remains that neither he nor anyone else in his campaign alerted federal law-enforcement authorities, as any loyal American should have.

And remember: Mr. Trump tried this scheme again. The president was impeached for his efforts to invite foreign interference in the 2020 election, this time by Ukraine, again on his behalf. Part of that requested interference involved an attempt to smear Joe Biden. But the other part involved pinning the 2016 election interference on Ukraine rather than on Russia. Who was “almost certainly” one of the primary sources spreading that claim in the media, according to the senators’ report? None other than Konstantin Kilimnik.

There has never been any reliable evidence that Ukraine interfered in 2016; the Senate committee concluded as such, in line with all previous investigations.

Russia is now attempting to help Mr. Trump again this November, according to American intelligence assessments reported in The Times. For any normal president, that would be a top-of-mind concern, and he or she would be marshaling all available resources to thwart it. What has Mr. Trump done? On Sunday night, he retweeted Russian propaganda that the U.S. intelligence community had already flagged as part of that country’s efforts to skew the election.

On Monday, Miles Taylor, a former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security in the Trump administration, wrote that the president “showed vanishingly little interest in subjects of vital national security interest, including cybersecurity, domestic terrorism and malicious foreign interference in U.S. affairs.” He added, “the country is less secure as a direct result of the president’s actions.”

There’s no way to sugarcoat it. In less than three months, the American people could re-elect a man who received a foreign government’s help to win one election and has shown neither remorse nor reservations about doing so again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/o...16-report.html
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