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forgot to add the link to the above article.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/11/2...here-it-hurts/

well of course it's not that simple. it's not the above article because it's a new page. so it's post 3500, the previous article, the last post on page 175.

there that should cover it.
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Title of article: Why 65 Democrats Are Backing A Bill To Strip Financial Protections For People Of Color (link below).


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/564b5...ction=politics


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I came across the Huff-Post article tonight and was totally bowled over that 65 democrats are supporting an bill drawn up by Republicans who believe that red-lining people of color via auto dealerships and their banking allies is legal, when it's against the law. You can bet the democratic official, and the democratic offices in my state, are going to hear from me and anyone else I can get to call them too.

It's incredibly outrageous! I can hardly believe an democratic official would back such a bill, but apparently long standing democrats are scrambling to stop this bill from being passed.

If you haven't read the article, please do.
It's not too late to help stop this from happening.
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Warped White Privilege and the Planned Parenthood Killer

White shooters live and maybe get a Whopper on the way to jail. Black suspects don't get the same royal treatment.

Privilege consists of unearned advantages. Privilege is a system of power relationships. And privilege consists of all of the inconveniences, challenges and opportunities denied that a person does not have to ever think or worry about.

On Friday afternoon, a white man named Robert Lewis Dear attacked a Planned Parenthood office in Colorado Springs, Colorado. He killed three people and injured 11 others. One of the dead is a police officer. Dear then engaged in a several hours-long gun battle and standoff with local authorities. He was captured alive.

Robert Lewis Dear reportedly told police “no more baby parts” after being arrested. Apparently, Friday’s attack on Planned Parenthood is part of a longer pattern of violence by right-wing terrorists against the providers of women’s reproductive health services in the United States.

White privilege takes many forms. As was seen in Colorado Springs on Friday, white privilege also consists of being able to kill three people (including one cop), injure 11 more, and then survive unscathed.

Robert Lewis Dear is not the only white man to have used this unique and near exclusive type of privilege in American society. James Eagan Holmes killed 12 people and injured 70 in a mass shooting at a Colorado-area movie theater. He was not killed by the police. Jared Lee Loughner shot 18 people, killing six of them. He was taken alive by the police.

White people also have the unique privilege of brandishing guns in public without consequence—and to even aim them at America’s police and other authorities without being killed. White gun fetishists Islamophobes in Texas harass Muslims attending religious services.

“Open carry” advocates, almost all of them white men, routinely march in public with weapons.

Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who refused to pay his grazing fees, used an armed militia to stop federal agents from arresting him.

In all of these instances—and many more—white people are not killed (and usually not even arrested or detained) by the police.

And in the case of Dylann Roof, the white supremacist who killed nine black Americans at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, the police both arrested him without incident and then took him to Burger King for a meal.

By contrast, black and brown people are not treated so kindly by America’s police. Black Americans are shot, abused and beaten up by America’s police and other white-identified vigilantes while surrendering, sleeping, seeking help after being in a car accident, walking down the street, with their hands up, showing identification, standing in a crowd, listening to music, riding bicycles, playing in the park, and being totally submissive and compliant.

Muslim and Arab-Americans most certainly cannot access Robert Lewis Dear’s, Jared Lee Loughner’s, or James Eagan Holmes’ unique type of white privilege.

When a white person commits an act of mass violence he or she is “a lone gunman,” “mentally ill” or “disturbed.”

White men commit a disproportionate percentage of the mass shootings and domestic terrorism in the United States. Yet, their actions are never taken to be reflective of white men as a group. The mere suggestion of this basic fact is met with outrage by Republicans and the right-wing news entertainment complex. However, when an “Arab” or a “Muslim” commits a crime, said event is processed by the White Gaze as an indictment of an entire population and to summon the boogeyman of “Muslim Terrorism.”

In all, whiteness is freedom from collective responsibility and indictment; to be the Other is an a priori assumption where the actions of one non-white person means that all members of the group should be punished and made suspect.

White people, even those who have committed horrific crimes, survive their encounters with America’s police for a variety of reasons. Primarily, the lives of black and brown people are systematically devalued in American society. This is demonstrated by how black Americans have shorter life spans, earn less money, possess less wealth, receive substandard medical care, go to worse schools, and live in under-resourced neighborhoods as compared to white Americans. The police, like Americans as a whole, are taught to devalue the lives of black people by a news media and broader popular culture that routinely circulates stereotypical, racist, debased, and derogatory images of non-whites.

American society also suffers from very high levels of racial segregation—research from the Public Religion Research Institute shows that 75 percent of white people do not have one non-white friend. Other research shows that white Americans lack empathy for the suffering, pain and humanity of non-whites.

The sum effect of all these cultural forces is that America’s police are much more likely to kill and abuse black and brown people than they are whites. Police are enabled in this routine violation of the human rights of black and brown people because the former are rarely if ever prosecuted (or even charged) for their crimes. America’s police are also protected by a white American public that supports a racist criminal justice system.

People chant “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” and “Black Lives Matter” because they know that every encounter–however mundane–between a black citizen and America’s police could end in unprovoked death and violence.

The Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado, and how the gunman was subsequently captured alive even after killing a police officer, is more proof of comedian Louis C.K.’s wisdom that there is no better deal than being white, straight and male in America. As he suggests, it is one hell of a deal if you can get it.

The ways in which white people can commit monstrously violent acts and survive, while people of color are killed by the state for far less serious offenses ( if they have committed any “crime” at all), is a ledger of death across the color line.

This balance sheet of death has existed for centuries in the United States. In the post-civil rights era and the Age of Obama, it still shows no signs of equaling out.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...enthood-killer

I noticed that the guy who got the whopper was Dylann Roof. He killed nine black Americans at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina. The cops managed to arrest him without hurting him and then took him out to eat. That's some fucked up shit right there!
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There's something really disturbing about the GOP blaming Planned Parenthood for the shooting at its Colorado Springs clinic. It's even more disturbing to understand the Republican party clearly has no plans to stop encouraging terrorist attacks against anyone exercising their right to choose. All the Republican candidates for President encourage ideological violence which is actually the very definition of terrorism. It's insane. Here's some horrendous excerpts from articles on the Planned Parenthood shooting.

Colorado GOP lawmaker: Planned Parenthood is the ‘real culprit’ in the shooting
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/colo...-the-shooting/

Colorado state Rep. JoAnn Windholz blames Planned Parenthood for the Nov. 27 shooting, at its Colorado Springs clinic, that left three dead and nine injured. She is one of the few Colorado Republicans to issue a statement in the wake of the attack.
“The true instigator of this violence and all violence at any Planned Parenthood facility is Planned Parenthood themselves. Violence begets violence. So Planned Parenthood: YOU STOP THE VIOLENCE INSIDE YOUR WALLS.”

http://http://www.alternet.org/chris...endiary-speech

Troy Newman was recently denied entry into Australia because the government feared he would incite violence there. According to Newman, the only way to purge “community bloodguilt” and protect America from God’s wrath over abortion is the “lawful execution of the murderers, which is commanded by God in Scripture." (Newman is the head of Operation Rescue and was endorsed by Ted Cruz just days before the Colorado shooting.) In fact, anti-abortion fanatics have made so many violent threats against clinic staff and patients that David Cohen recently published an entire book about them: Living in the Crosshairs: The Untold Stories of Anti-Abortion Terrorism.

5 Awful GOP Responses to Planned Parenthood Shooting
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...thood-shooting

Fiorina
“This is so typical of the left to immediately begin demonizing the messenger because they don’t agree with the message,” Fiorina told Wallace. “Anyone who tries to link this terrible tragedy to anyone who opposes abortion or opposes the sale of body parts is … this is typical left-wing tactics.”
Fiorina advanced the inflammatory lie that Planned Parenthood makes a profit from trafficking in fetal body parts. In fact, the fetal tissue is turned over for medical research, with the attendant fees used to cover expenses.

Cruz
Despite reports that the shooter ranted about "baby parts" at the scene, not to mention his choice of a Planned Parenthood clinic to storm, Ted Cruz saw no reason for anyone to jump to the crazy conclusion that the killer was motivated by anti-choice rhetoric. Instead, Cruz floated his more plausible explanation, telling reporters Sunday that Dear was a "transgendered leftist activist."
"It’s also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and a transgendered leftist activist," said Cruz, according to the Texas Tribune. "If that’s what he is, I don’t think it’s fair to blame on the rhetoric on the left. This is a murderer.”

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"We get into our separate corners and we hate each other, we want to destroy those with whom we disagree," he told Martha Raddatz on ABC's "This Week." "It comes from both sides. So, you know, there is, there is no saint here in this, in this equation."
Fair point for the next time a pro-choice activist storms an anti-choice rally and murders three people.

Huckabee
"And there's no excuse for killing other people, whether it's happening inside the Planned Parenthood headquarters, inside their clinics where many millions of babies die, or whether it's people attacking Planned Parenthood," he said.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...rings-shooting
"Since the series of highly edited, misleading anti-abortion videos was released in July, we have seen an unprecedented increase in hate speech and threats against abortion providers...
...the tide of vitriol began rising dramatically in July, after the first video was released. Soon after that, an anonymous reader posted a message on Fox Nation's website.
"I'll pay ten large to whomever kills Dr. Deborah Nucatola. [She] should be summarily executed. I'll do it myself if no one else does."

And the terrorism works.

...the number of abortion providers decreased 38 percent between 1982 and 2000 and continues to decline today. According to research from an anti-abortion group, the number of surgical abortion clinics dropped to 582 in 2013, down from more than 2,000 clinics in the early 1990s. And in the last two years, surgical abortion clinics have been closing at a rate of 1.5 clinics every week.
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Does anyone listen to Democracy Now, a radio show program?

During the 1700 hour rush hour, I was listening to this program and current subjects covered ranged from the British moving to bomb Syria to Kyoto talks in France to ongoing coverage about yesterday's tragedy down in San Bernadino (CA).

Our local independent radio station carries interesting newscasts from an alternative point of view.
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Senate Votes to Repeal ACA for the First Time
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For the first time ever, the Republican-controlled Senate tonight passed a bill that essentially repeals the Affordable Care Act (ACA) except for one small detail — President Barack Obama plans to veto it.

Among other things, the bill would prevent the federal government from running healthcare exchanges, eliminate insurance subsidies, repeal Medicaid expansion now underway in 30 states and junk the law's especially controversial requirements that most individuals obtain health insurance coverage and that large employers offer their employees the same. It also would block federal funding for Planned Parenthood for 1 year, a lightning rod issue in the wake of last month's shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs that left three people dead.

The bill, called the Restoring Americans' Healthcare Freedom Reconciliation Act of 2015, won House approval in October. It only needed 51 votes for passage in the Republican-controlled Senate — not the usual 60 to overcome an opposing party's filibuster — because it went through a special budget reconciliation process.

The final vote in the Senate was 52 to 47 along party lines. It now goes back to the House for a second vote because the Senate amended the original bill.

The Senate had long known that Obama would veto anything that gutted the signature legislation of his presidency. Noting that the House for its part has tried to erase or cripple the ACA more than 50 times, the White House recently said in a statement that the latest repeal measure would "take away critical benefits and healthcare coverage from hard-working middle-class families." An estimated 17.6 million Americans gained coverage under the law since its inception, the administration said.

The White House also warned against eliminating ACA provisions that would "slow the growth of healthcare spending and improve quality."

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) countered on the floor of the Senate today that "Obamacare is a direct attack on the middle class."

"Americans are living with the consequences of this broken law and its broken promises every day," McConnell said.

Although facing an Obama veto, Congressional Republicans could resurrect this legislation if one of their own is elected president in 2016 and is willing to sign the measure.

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Well this is certainly disturbing. It caught my eye cause it reminded me of those old Enquirer headlines "Space alien impregnates entire football stadium" or some such. Unfortunately it's actually true. But at least he's a former police officer. For now anyway, but wanna bet this really scary creep turns up on some police force somewhere. And maybe a fantasy isn't a crime and maybe there wasn't enough evidence to prove he was actually planning to go through with this, but it is a crime to use a police database to stalk women. Convict him for that at least. Shit like this makes me sick.

New York judge refuses to reinstate conviction of ‘cannibal cop’ who stalked women with plans to eat them

New York City, NY – Former NYPD officer Gilberto Valle has been in and out of court since 2012, when it was discovered that he was using a police database to stalk over 100 different women. To make matters even more disturbing, Valle spoke in graphic detail in online chats about how he planned to kidnap, kill and eat the women on his list.

He was originally convicted of conspiracy to kidnap and illegally accessing an NYPD database in 2013, but the conviction was overturned on the grounds that Valle’s plans were not real, but were part of a “fantasy roleplay.” Valle did not deny that he searched the women in the database, nor that he had spoken about killing and eating them, he just claimed that it was all a fantasy that he never planned on going through with. Surprisingly, even though a jury found him guilty, a judge accepted his excuse and overturned the verdict.

An appeal against the ruling was filed, led by prosecutor Justin Anderson who argued that the judge misused his authority by letting Valle off the hook.

“It was not Judge Gardephe’s role to see himself as a 13th juror in the trial and decide whether his view of the evidence was in line with the jury’s view of the evidence,” Anderson said.

The evidence is substantial that these were actual plans and not fantasies.

According to The Smoking Gun:

“The complaint alleges that Valle illegally used federal and state law enforcement databases to “locate potential victims,” and that he surveilled some of these women at their homes and places of employment. He also allegedly drafted an “operation plan” to abduct and cook one woman, and researched “methods of disabling and drugging women.”

In one July communication, Valle wrote that he was contemplating tying one “tasty” woman “onto some kind of apparatus…cook her over a low heat, keep her alive as long as possible.” When asked about the size of his oven, Valle replied, “Big enough to fit one of these girls if I folded their legs.” Agents found a document on Valle’s computer titled “Abducting and Cooking [Victim-1]: a Blueprint.” The document included the woman’s name, date of birth, height, weight, and bra size, along with a “Materials Needed” section (car, chloroform, and rope).

Valle’s computer also revealed that he and a co-conspirator “negotiated and agreed to a price at which Valle would kidnap” another woman, who is referred to as “Victim-2” in the complaint. Valle wrote, “$5,000 and she is all yours,” noting that, “I’m putting my neck on the line here. If something goes wrong somehow, I am in deep shit.” He subsequently added, “I think I would rather not get involved in the rape. You paid for her. She is all yours and I don’t want to be tempted the next time I abduct a girl.”


This week, the appeal was rejected, and Valle was able to avoid any consequences for his actions.

The judges in the case defended their decision, saying that stalking women and planning to kill them were within Valle’s rights to free speech.

“We are loath to give the government power to punish us for our thoughts and not our actions. That includes the power to criminalize an individual’s expression of sexual fantasies, no matter how perverse or disturbing. Fantasizing about committing a crime, even a crime of violence against a real person whom you know, is not a crime, ” 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Barrington Parker said in a statement.

“The Court’s decision today confirms what we have said from the outset of this prosecution: fantasies, no matter how repugnant, are not crimes. This ruling is a very important victory not just for Mr. Valle, who has now been cleared of all criminal charges, but for an open society that treasures freedom of thought and expression,” Valle’s lawyers said in a statement.

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It seems like predatory stalking, plans to cause harm to an intended victim, use of highly sensitive data bases at state and federal levels would be or should be an direct violation of core ethics of public safety standards for law enforcement officials. Worse, it appears that the presiding judge (s) over this particular case demonstrate what appears to be an callous lack of ...... "do the right thing. Cause no harm. Do not be party to criminal activities...." etc.

Reading about stuff like this makes me sick, too. : (

It makes me wonder if the New York State Attorney General's Office has been investigating this issue. Or if any regulating agency cares about this type of very scary criminal behavior among the ranks of its officials in New York state.
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Carter opens ALL military jobs to women! It's official!

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...=dod_151204.nl

P.S. Didn't see any place that this had been posted yet, so I figured this was as good as any place.
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P.S. Didn't see any place that this had been posted yet, so I figured this was as good as any place.
Hell to the yeah!

I have been waiting to see this happen since tantalizingfemme's son joined the infantry (Army), a couple of years ago.

Article about women rangers: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...er-school.html

There is a 3rd who has to redo a stage. Hopefully, we will see her make it too!
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Donald Trump’s “Ban Muslims” Proposal is Wildly Dangerous But Not Far Outside the U.S. Mainstream

Hours after a new poll revealed that he’s trailing Ted Cruz in Iowa, GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump issued a statement advocating “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our representatives can figure out what’s going on.” His spokesperson later clarified that this exclusion even includes Muslim-American citizens who are currently outside the U.S. On first glance, it seems accurate to view this, in the words of The Guardian, as “arguably the most extreme proposal to come from any U.S. presidential candidate in decades.”

Some comfortable journalists, however, quickly insisted that people were overreacting. “Before everyone gives up on the republic, remember that not even a single American has yet cast a vote for Trump,” said New York Times columnist Ross Douthat. The New York Daily News Opinion Page Editor Josh Greenman was similarly blithe: “It’s a proposal to keep Muslims out of the U.S., made in a primary, being roundly condemned. We are a long way from internment camps.”

Given that an ISIS attack in Paris just helped fuel the sweeping election victory of an actually fascist party in France, it’s a bit mystifying how someone can be so sanguine about the likelihood of a Trump victory in the U.S. In fact, with a couple of even low-level ISIS attacks successfully carried out on American soil, it’s not at all hard to imagine. But Trump does not need to win, or even get close to winning, for his rhetoric and the movement that he’s stoking to be dangerous in the extreme.

Professional political analysts have underestimated Trump’s impact by failing to take into account his massive, long-standing cultural celebrity, which commands the attention of large numbers of Americans who usually ignore politics (which happens to be the majority of the population), which in turn generates enormous, highly charged crowds pulsating with grievance and rage. That means that even if he fails to win a single state, he’s powerfully poisoning public discourse about multiple marginalized minority groups: in particular inciting and inflaming what was already volatile anti-Muslim animosity in the U.S.

As The Atlantic‘s Matt Ford put it yesterday: “The immediate danger isn’t Trump’s actual policy, but the bigotry and violence that it both legitimizes and encourages.” Muslim Americans (and, for that matter, Mexican-Americans and African-Americans) don’t have the luxury that people like Douthat and Greenman have to be so dismissive. That’s what Al Jazeera’s Sana Saeed meant when she said that she’s “tired of people telling us to not be afraid – Trump may not win but his words will last & there are people who support” the bile he’s spewing.

All that said, it’s important not to treat Trump as some radical aberration. He’s essentially the American id, simply channeling pervasive sentiments unadorned with the typical diplomatic and PR niceties designed to prettify the prevailing mentality. He didn’t propose banning all Muslims from entering the U.S. because it’s grounded in some fringe, out-of-the-mainstream ideas. He proposed it in part to commandeer media attention so as to distract attention away from his rivals and from that latest Iowa poll, but he also proposed it because he knows there is widespread anti-Muslim fear and hatred in the U.S. Whatever else you want to say about him, Trump is a skillful entertainer, and good entertainers – like good fascist demagogues – know their audience.

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I just want to say first, that I don't know how I would ever get to see articles like I used to when going on a reading binge via my now-dead laptop. I appreciate, so very much, your efforts to leave articles on this particular forum board. I can't peruse articles on the Web because it eats up what tiny bit of data plan I have. So, thank you, thank you, Miss Tick, and Anya, Allison, Andrea and everyone who participates on this forum thread.

Now, about that son of a buck ... Trump.

A few months ago, I was invited to attend what I thought was a business meeting, where other attendees were thought to be from the ranks of members on my work campus. I was thrilled at first. But once I was less than 10 minutes into this so-called business meeting, it became painfully clear that 99.99 percent attendees were Republican voters, which was financed by former Bush cronies and Trump-wannabees. I did all I could to remain as composed as could be, and found a way to excuse myself from what turned out to be a rally to incite right wing voters into further indoctrination into racialized political ways of thinking, voting, (ad naseum).

I could hardly believe the numbers of people attending this event at Memorial Coliseum. People who profess to live a Christian lifestyle AND in favor of guns AND in favor of doing all they can to maintain the 'all American' lifestyle of upscale status and all the trimmings of so-called privilege (fucking worst case of White Privilege I've seen in months, could hardly believe my eyes that night ).

Worse, a few weeks ago, a close friend, who's married and sponsors foster children, gives them a wonderful home, safe place to live, i learned that her husband totally supports the jingoistic horrors espoused by Trump. I had no idea about this until their foster son and I were in the car, waiting for my friend to come back from her shopping run. Her foster son disclosed to me in ordinary ways about how her husband was crazy for liking Trump, but that he was proud that my close friend thought Trump was a sociopath and if left unchecked, would ruin what's left of American society. Her foster son is only 15 years old. He's on the autism spectrum, a genius (if you ask me), but can totally see how Trump is the quintessential epitome of all that shouldn't even be considered American at all, but is by people who just apparently can't see how terribly fascist Trump is and will rule (and ruin) society with an iron fist, if not by iron foot too.

Each day that goes by, it worries me terribly that such egregious ways of thinking can even EXIST in this tiny blue dot of sanity .... where I currently live and think of as home. But my close friend's foster son was truly an inspiration to hear, that day.
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I found this very interesting tho I'm not sure if it was meant to put things in perspective or if it was meant to be its own brand of propaganda.

The question I find myself asking continuously ever since someone realized Trump was not going to go away is....if you look at the process going on here, the question what is wrong with this picture keeps cropping up in one way or another. Like most processes, it is a puzzle with pieces here and there. And the more pieces people try to add to the puzzle, the more the overall picture keeps changing.

So, I have no answers but many many questions. Let's look at what the article says:


Hours after a new poll revealed that he’s trailing Ted Cruz in Iowa, GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump issued a statement advocating “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our representatives can figure out what’s going on.” His spokesperson later clarified that this exclusion even includes Muslim-American citizens who are currently outside the U.S. On first glance, it seems accurate to view this, in the words of The Guardian, as “arguably the most extreme proposal to come from any U.S. presidential candidate in decades.”


What Trump said was - he advocates“a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our representatives can figure out what’s going on.” That means that people are properly vetted before they step foot in the country.

Obama, Ryan, Cameron, Abedin, the oil person from Canada (of course oil figures into the picture), JK Rowling, and even Dick Cheney were among the "influential" people who came out to denounce Trump for wanting to ban Muslims.

The question this raises for me is a bunch of people are deliberately changing what was said into something that wasnt said, trying to sell it as truth, and adding in doomsday prophesies akin to the Holocaust and Hitler. For a little extra, we are adding in Japanese Americans being interned after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

So why is this being done? Why is a deliberate mistruth being perpetuated and used to instill and incite the very same fear mongering they are supposedly trying to quell? What's wrong with this picture?

Notice in the fear mongering tactics what isnt being used. When America marched the (no matter what term I use someone will have a problem with it... so my post, my choice) Native Americans off to Reservations, what do you really think we were doing? And, why is this not being used as an example doomsday?

When Obama said on Thanksgiving Day, we should think of the Syrian refugees like the Pilgrims, it was a slap in the face to Native Americans. No one said a word. No one corrected him. No one addressed it. Everyone, including the media just let it slide. Why?

Why are we not using what Joe McCarthy did to Americans who were"suspected communists"?

Why is no one talking about what Jimmy Cater did during the Iranian hostage crisis? Maybe because Carter actually did what Trump was advocating? Do we even remember what Carter did?

"First, the United States of America is breaking diplomatic relations with the Government of Iran. The Secretary of State has informed the Government of Iran that its Embassy and consulates in the United States are to be closed immediately. All Iranian diplomatic and consular officials have been declared persona non grata and must leave this country by midnight tomorrow."

"Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly. " Read all of it here.

10 November 1979

Carter orders 50,000 Iranian students in US to report to immigration
office with view to deporting those in violation of their visas. On 27
December 1979, US appeals court allows deportation of Iranian
students found in violation. (CRS 1981, 38, 71) Source

The pundits are also saying what Trump is suggesting is unconstitutional. If this is true, how did Carter manage to do this? The Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act)

So, the question I ask myself again is, who is deliberately misrepresenting the truth, using it as fodder for fear mongering, selectively deciding what of history to use, and why are they doing this? What are they afraid of to be willing to stoop to such levels?

The director of Homeland Security came right out and said Trump or his views were a threat to national security. Hm. Ordinarily, if someone is a threat, we arrest them, sequester them, find or manufacture so weird ass shit on them to prove our point.

Hard to do to a Presidential candidate but not impossible. There is a part of me seeing a group of pundits, sitting around a table trying to figure out how can we pull off an assassination and who can we pin it on.


Some comfortable journalists, however, quickly insisted that people were overreacting. “Before everyone gives up on the republic, remember that not even a single American has yet cast a vote for Trump,” said New York Times columnist Ross Douthat. The New York Daily News Opinion Page Editor Josh Greenman was similarly blithe: “It’s a proposal to keep Muslims out of the U.S., made in a primary, being roundly condemned. We are a long way from internment camps.”


Now they are trying to look like they are applying reason and logic cuz Trump is nowhere near having the power to do anything.


Given that an ISIS attack in Paris just helped fuel the sweeping election victory of an actually fascist party in France, it’s a bit mystifying how someone can be so sanguine about the likelihood of a Trump victory in the U.S. In fact, with a couple of even low-level ISIS attacks successfully carried out on American soil, it’s not at all hard to imagine. But Trump does not need to win, or even get close to winning, for his rhetoric and the movement that he’s stoking to be dangerous in the extreme.

Professional political analysts have underestimated Trump’s impact by failing to take into account his massive, long-standing cultural celebrity, which commands the attention of large numbers of Americans who usually ignore politics (which happens to be the majority of the population), which in turn generates enormous, highly charged crowds pulsating with grievance and rage. That means that even if he fails to win a single state, he’s powerfully poisoning public discourse about multiple marginalized minority groups: in particular inciting and inflaming what was already volatile anti-Muslim animosity in the U.S.

As The Atlantic‘s Matt Ford put it yesterday: “The immediate danger isn’t Trump’s actual policy, but the bigotry and violence that it both legitimizes and encourages.” Muslim Americans (and, for that matter, Mexican-Americans and African-Americans) don’t have the luxury that people like Douthat and Greenman have to be so dismissive. That’s what Al Jazeera’s Sana Saeed meant when she said that she’s “tired of people telling us to not be afraid – Trump may not win but his words will last & there are people who support” the bile he’s spewing.

So now they are trying to spin another scenario. Now they are calling what Trump said a policy. It not a policy. He advocated. Advocating is not policy. Just like Trump, the media knows exactly how to spin words in such a way to create a certain picture but make it appear like they are being neutral. More fear mongering. Why?

All that said, it’s important not to treat Trump as some radical aberration. He’s essentially the American id, simply channeling pervasive sentiments unadorned with the typical diplomatic and PR niceties designed to prettify the prevailing mentality. He didn’t propose banning all Muslims from entering the U.S. because it’s grounded in some fringe, out-of-the-mainstream ideas. He proposed it in part to commandeer media attention so as to distract attention away from his rivals and from that latest Iowa poll, but he also proposed it because he knows there is widespread anti-Muslim fear and hatred in the U.S. Whatever else you want to say about him, Trump is a skillful entertainer, and good entertainers – like good fascist demagogues – know their audience.


This is my favorite part. Here they are speculating on Trump's motivations, feeding off of certain things, feeding into certain things, playing to his audience.

And Obama, Ryan, Cameron, Abedin, the oil person from Canada (of course oil figures into the picture), JK Rowling, Dick Cheney, every other presidential candidate and the media - whether conservative, liberal, or radical is not doing the same thing? That sounds a lot like the pot calling the kettle black kind of thing.

And the one thing they do not address. There are factions in this country that have been silenced in service to political correctness. We want to project a certain image, a certain belief system, a certain whatever and anything contrary to that must be squashed, dismissed, ridiculed, or whatever will silence them.

For the first time in decades, those factions have a voice. It's name is Donald.

So again. What wrong with this picture? As I said, I dont know. The older I get the more comfortable I am saying I dont know. But, my gut is feeling something not good here. Just dont know what.

There are a couple of things I'm pretty confident in tho. Politicians and the media are experts at manipulation - of people, of the truth, of history. of the lunch menu. You name it, they know how to spin it for their own purposes. Figuring out what those purposes really are is a life long and very tiring endeavor.

The other thing Im pretty confident in is that for every person, regardless of the issue or what side of the issue they are on, if you agree with them, they will see you as well informed and intelligent. If you disagree with them, they will see you as opinionated, radical, dumb, crazy, stupid take your pick of derogatory terms.

Tick, you also posted an interesting article somewhere a while back. It was a study on how people, once they learn something or believe something, they are reluctant to let go of it, even when evidence to the contrary is staring them in the face, they will cling to what they know. Havent found the post yet for the reference. But this, is also sticking in my head these days.

And, while all this was going on yesterday, it was taking attention away from this:


The House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to tighten restrictions on travel to the United States by citizens of 38 nations who are allowed to enter the country without obtaining a visa.

The bill, the second major piece of security legislation approved in the chamber in response to the Nov. 13 Paris attacks, passed by 407 to 19.

The measure would require visitors from the visa waiver countries, which include much of western Europe, to obtain a visa to travel to the United States if they had been to Syria, Iraq, Iran or Sudan during the past five years.

It would also require countries participating in the program to share information with U.S. authorities about suspected terrorists or risk being suspended from the scheme.

"This legislation will help close gaping security gaps and improve our ability to stop dangerous individuals before they reach our shores," said Republican Representative Michael McCaul, the House Homeland Security Committee chairman.


What was Trump advocating for? People being checked BEFORE they are allowed in the country. They will crucify and demonize Trump and then pass legislation about the exact same thing? Was the problem that Trump said it specifically about Muslims while the House is broadening it to every one of the 20 million people allowed to come here every year without a visa? What's wrong with this picture?


Twenty million visitors a year enter the United States under the program, which allows them to stay 90 days. It was started in 1986 to boost tourism and tighten the country's relationship with close allies.

Congress has been focused on visa waivers since Paris because some of the militants behind the attacks were Europeans radicalized after visiting Syria.

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Kobi, you make some interesting points for sure. I think Trump is mainstreaming very racist and xenophobic ideology and opening the door for others to adopt what will then seem like more moderate racist and xenophobic views.

Trump is at his core a businessman. Marketing 101, find a need that is not being met, define it, then make the people want it, and then give them what they want.
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If you keep talking about Trump the more you give him press. If you don't talk or post about it, the less press he gets and things will change.

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Perhaps the newscasters and pollsters that are the mainstream press and ABC, NBC and CBS, publish our viewpoints from BFP; but I kind of doubt it.

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It is unfortunate, but true, that what Trump says, is news right now.
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I certainly could be wrong.

It is unfortunate, but true, that what Trump says, is news right now.
Oh trust me i blame the press, all facets of it. But yes what he is saying is the news.
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