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Old 09-26-2020, 07:36 PM   #1021
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I totally agree Colette, Biden should be aggressive! I think he will be but maybe not as down and dirty as Coach would like. I've been really looking forward to the debates for a long time. I can't wait!

MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhl interviewed Joe Biden for the Latino-themed L’Attitude virtual event that aired today. A preview of what he plans for the debate.

“Look, the people know the president’s a liar.” I mean they know that. It’s not like it’s gonna come as a surprise to them. And so I’m prepared to go out and make my case as to why I think he’s failed, and why I think the answers I have to proceed will help the American people and the American economy and make us safe internationally.”

Biden predicted Trump’s strategy will be “just straight attack, they’re going to be mostly personal, it’s the only thing he knows how to do,” then told Ruhle that Trump “doesn’t know how to debate the facts because he’s not that smart. He doesn’t know that many facts. He doesn’t know much about foreign policy, he doesn’t know much about domestic policy, he doesn’t know much about the detail.”

He concluded by saying Trump’s debate performance will be “mostly personal attacks and lies, but I think the American people are on to him.”


If the above is true, I predict disaster.

Most people don't know much about foreign or domestic policy and sure don't know details. It will be left to "pundits" to interpret for them and mostly what will be remembered are any gaffes and Biden correcting himself whenever he gets a statistic wrong...and how dull he sounds ... A field day for the right wing pundits who don't care about all those details either.
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100 per cent with the above post!

Also being polite, respectful, and playing by the rules will NOT work with Trump! Joe has got to get down and get a bit of mud on his hands or to fling whichever work best IMHO!
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I think Biden will do quite well. He's going to talk about how Trump has failed and make the case for his own presidency. I think he will be aggressive but if he tried to get in an outright brawl he would lose.

I can't wait to see it!
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I'm not suggesting he get into a brawl. I am suggesting he stay away from numbers, details, specifics and anything else his personality obliges him to get "right".
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Welcome to Susan Sarandons' SCOTUS


With her NEVER HILLARY positions, THIS is where we are. Amy Coney Barrett will replace the notorious RBG unless the democrats delay and derail. Not the way I enjoy politics, but all the gloves are off. Just in case you did not know, Amy:

1. She wrote recently that only virtuous citizens should have the right to vote. (guess I should sign up to be a virtuous police officer, lotsa work)

2. She supports killing the ACA (wrong usage of a word there) She supports the drowning of the ACA, therefore KILLING many Americans who will be part of the gristmill due to preexisting conditions.

3. Any woman here who knows a female or is a female wanting an abortion? THAT will go buh-bye, for Amy believes every life is precious but not the birth mother. (I'll probably make a killing in investing in orphanages)

3A. They'll chant "Pro-Life!" as they are killing immigrant children and our elderly as soon as Medicare is privatized.

4. The ERA continues to be a pressing issue. Without the ERA in the constitution, any and all rights to women can be judicially nullified.

5. She accepted monies from an organization who believe same sex couples rights should be revoked and even penalized with the possibility of imprisonment. Trans folks would be sterilized.

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Even More Unsolicited Advice

Joe, don't bury the lead.

Make your main point first and clearly. Don't lead with explanations.

Largely ignore Trump's answers except maybe to dismiss them succinctly and quickly ( it's ok to be strongly dismissive of his lies but not ok to go on to explain them ) " We all know that's a lie Mr Trump" then move right on to your own points.

Except...if he keeps interrupting you can turn to him and tell him, like a scolding schoolteacher/parent that if he has anything to say he can wait his turn. "This is a debate, Mr Trump, not a rude shouting match"
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Trump interrupts so...

Biden : "Be Quiet. If you have anything to say that isn't a lie or a rude ugly personal attack, you can wait till it is your turn. Till then, be quiet.

But one thing he shouldn't do is look like he's helplessly looking to the moderator to stop Trump.

And every time he does it...just say "Be Quiet" and go back to your point.
Trump's interruptions will be pointed out and will annoy people.

Wishing you the best, Joe.
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Welcome to Susan Sarandons' SCOTUS


With her NEVER HILLARY positions, THIS is where we are. Amy Coney Barrett will replace the notorious RBG unless the democrats delay and derail. Not the way I enjoy politics, but all the gloves are off. Just in case you did not know, Amy:

1. She wrote recently that only virtuous citizens should have the right to vote. (guess I should sign up to be a virtuous police officer, lotsa work)

2. She supports killing the ACA (wrong usage of a word there) She supports the drowning of the ACA, therefore KILLING many Americans who will be part of the gristmill due to preexisting conditions.

3. Any woman here who knows a female or is a female wanting an abortion? THAT will go buh-bye, for Amy believes every life is precious but not the birth mother. (I'll probably make a killing in investing in orphanages)

3A. They'll chant "Pro-Life!" as they are killing immigrant children and our elderly as soon as Medicare is privatized.

4. The ERA continues to be a pressing issue. Without the ERA in the constitution, any and all rights to women can be judicially nullified.

5. She accepted monies from an organization who believe same sex couples rights should be revoked and even penalized with the possibility of imprisonment. Trans folks would be sterilized.

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There is a lot I could say about the things you reference in your post, Ace, but just today, I saw that Dwayne Johnson is placing his efforts and vote to the right people campaigning for POTUS (Biden/Harris Ticket).

I also read this past week, that Nancy Pelosi could end up being interim POTUS if TP refuses to vacate the WH until post-election issues are straightened out. If that happens, it will be the closest our country has ever been to a woman presiding as POTUS (Madam President Pelosi).

Keep the faith that all will be as it should be, that American voters will send a huge message that Biden/Harris is who should lead our country and that frog-marching consequences will take place as soon as voters vote them out.
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Trump interrupts so...

Biden : "Be Quiet. If you have anything to say that isn't a lie or a rude ugly personal attack, you can wait till it is your turn. Till then, be quiet.

But one thing he shouldn't do is look like he's helplessly looking to the moderator to stop Trump.

And every time he does it...just say "Be Quiet" and go back to your point.
Trump's interruptions will be pointed out and will annoy people.

Wishing you the best, Joe.
Biden will do well during this debate. His only potential problems would be the gaffs, which it seems he's done with. Must have had ongoing speech preparation over the past year.

People watching will observe that Biden genuinely cares about the regular worker and farmer; whereas, Trump's arrogance, disdain, and rude behavior will be on ripe display.

This debate is not very worrisome for me. As my Partner says of the Trump supporters, they "already drank the Kool-aid." We really have no chance to recruit the "deplorables," a lost cause group. Biden knows the groups he must play to. The suburban women, college educated white men, and rust belt labor are his goal and forte. He has most labor, people of color, and the college educated in his corner.

The only worry I have will be the emotional feelings on November third, and that's a personal problem brought on by mail in votes. Not a nailbiter now, but its either that or go to bed early (not likely).
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Funny thing, I'm thinking the CNN pundits have been reading my advice to Biden... problem is that his campaign advisors have not and they keep insisting it's important to stop and fact check him....therein lies disaster for Biden.

Ignore Trump.
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Funny thing, I'm thinking the CNN pundits have been reading my advice to Biden... problem is that his campaign advisors have not and they keep insisting it's important to stop and fact check him....therein lies disaster for Biden.

Ignore Trump.
I agree ~ Trump sinks himself ~ he will come out slinging lies and crap ~ he's self destructive.
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I think Biden and his advisors have the debate well in hand. Biden just needs to execute and he's shown plenty of evidence lately of being very focused and disciplined.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...d-biden-422319

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With those stakes in mind, POLITICO interviewed more than a dozen campaign aides and outside allies about the candidates’ preparations and expectations for the 90-minute showdown at 9 p.m. Tuesday. Here’s a look at what we learned.

Biden’s imperative: Don’t play Trump’s game

Stick to Covid-19 and the economy. Don’t waste valuable time fact-checking the president, except perhaps his most egregious falsehoods. And be ready for Trump to go after your kid — and your brothers.

These are among the pointers Biden’s advisers are giving the candidate in prep sessions ahead of the debate.

“The goal for this debate is to not be a fact-checker of Donald Trump. His goal is to communicate directly to the American people and to outline his vision for how we overcome the pandemic, finally,” said a second person familiar with the Biden campaign’s thinking.

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Meanwhile, Trump and his idiotic followers (and sadly some on the left) have been spending months claiming Biden is senile. They are violating one of the cardinal rules of debates which is never lower expectations for your opponent. Now Trump is claiming Biden is taking performance-enhancing drugs which explains his coherence. Ridiculous. All this will just make Biden look even stronger and clearer when it is obvious he isn't the slightest bit senile.

I can't wait!
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Who needs enemies...

"Meanwhile, Trump and his idiotic followers (and sadly some on the left) have been spending months claiming Biden is senile." Bulldog

It's probably the longest unbroken tradition on "The Left"....stabbing each other in the back until they slip and slide in each other's blood off the political stage.

I'm very fond of the film, "The Death of Stalin".
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Okay, I will be honest, I didn't think Biden was quite as strong as I would have hoped, but that almost seems unfair given the shit show and constant interruptions.

Biden did make some good points. Maybe they will get out in short clips on TV and social media.

I can't see how Trump helped himself at all. I don't see how anyone who wasn't already going to vote for him would be convinced to vote for him now.

Moderators should have a mute button where they can cut off the mic of the person who isn't supposed to be speaking.

I don't expect this will change the dynamics of the race.

What a disgrace. I just hope Trump doesn't turn a lot of people off from voting.
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