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When I first read this, it was like, who is she, I had no idea who she was, so in a sense, just words about someone I didn't know, and to be honest it didn't mean much to me, BUT then today, I saw this report on her on CBS This Morning.

She was this well-known fashion designer.

Now, I'm the kind of butch who in the rainy season wears checked (aka plaid) flannel shirts, jeans or sweat pants, and comfy Skecher running shoes. In the summer, I wear wrangler shorts or some cargo shorts with those side pockets which I like, short-sleeved checked shirts and my very comfy TEVA sandals. In other words, I know zilch about the fashion industry. I leave that to femmes and those who are fashion-conscious.

But as I am sitting here drinking my moka coffee, and reviewing what I saw on TV, my eyes began to water as I remembered her face, how she talked about quitting her company to raise her daughter (13 years old now, omg how that will affect that child!!!) - how absolutely tragic and sad for someone like her to kill herself, when she was physically healthy. I have never felt suicidal, and yet I felt deeply for the fact that someone ended their life, someone who seemed so full of life, so young (only 55!), still full of promise, who had not seen it all.

They suggested on TV that there was the possibility that she was bipolar, and also conflict between her and her husband, perhaps financial woes, etc. I don't suffer from S.A.D. (which is supposedly mild bipolar) but I know many here in B.C. who do and who have the "blues" in the rainy season. I don't know what the solution for this is, but I think it is important to speak out about such things, and not to hide things (which apparently, she was good at).

I see that online the U.S. stats re: Suicide vs. Homicide, the stats from 2014 are: 41,143 vs. 16,108 as per the following link:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/u...ide-vs-suicide

I had no idea - 3:1 !
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Rest in Peace Kate Valentine Spade - I will never forget your contribution to the fashion industry that for all years you were in it you remained true to yourself and most of all to your style.

June 2008 - I bought my ex her first Kate Spade for her birthday it was like Summer had found Winter and collided.



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I didnt realize actor David Spade is her brother in law.
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When I first read this, it was like, who is she, I had no idea who she was, so in a sense, just words about someone I didn't know, and to be honest it didn't mean much to me, BUT then today, I saw this report on her on CBS This Morning.

She was this well-known fashion designer.

Now, I'm the kind of butch who in the rainy season wears checked (aka plaid) flannel shirts, jeans or sweat pants, and comfy Skecher running shoes. In the summer, I wear wrangler shorts or some cargo shorts with those side pockets which I like, short-sleeved checked shirts and my very comfy TEVA sandals. In other words, I know zilch about the fashion industry. I leave that to femmes and those who are fashion-conscious.

But as I am sitting here drinking my moka coffee, and reviewing what I saw on TV, my eyes began to water as I remembered her face, how she talked about quitting her company to raise her daughter (13 years old now, omg how that will affect that child!!!) - how absolutely tragic and sad for someone like her to kill herself, when she was physically healthy. I have never felt suicidal, and yet I felt deeply for the fact that someone ended their life, someone who seemed so full of life, so young (only 55!), still full of promise, who had not seen it all.

They suggested on TV that there was the possibility that she was bipolar, and also conflict between her and her husband, perhaps financial woes, etc. I don't suffer from S.A.D. (which is supposedly mild bipolar) but I know many here in B.C. who do and who have the "blues" in the rainy season. I don't know what the solution for this is, but I think it is important to speak out about such things, and not to hide things (which apparently, she was good at).

I see that online the U.S. stats re: Suicide vs. Homicide, the stats from 2014 are: 41,143 vs. 16,108 as per the following link:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/u...ide-vs-suicide

I had no idea - 3:1 !
I too had no idea of those stats charley, truly shocking.

I read today that her husband had asked her for a divorce, if that can be believed with so many `untruths` in the news. Perhaps that was the final thing to push her over the edge or it may have been inevitable regardless of that if her mental state was so desperately low, who knows. She had been so fabulously successful and made such a vast amount of money. Now not for a moment am I saying that her money could solve her problems, of course not but it would of aided her in accessing quickly the very best of professional help in battling her demons and yet sadly it seems she didnt get the help she needed and now her poor daughter, 13, has to go through life without her Mom. So very sad.
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...*snip*...I don't suffer from S.A.D. (which is supposedly mild bipolar) but I know many here in B.C. who do and who have the "blues" in the rainy season.
While I agree with what you wrote about the effect of her mother's suicide on Frances and the general sentiments, I have to respond to the underlined snipped part as it's not accurate. S.A.D. is a type of depression. It can be confusing because there is a bipolar depression but that is the balance to the manic episodes. The two going back and forth are what make it "bi"polar versus unipolar, which is the more typical depression you may hear about.

This is the best explanation that I've found thus far.

Doctors have long distinguished between seasonal depression and seasonal bipolar disorder. Seasonal depression — commonly referred to as SAD, for seasonal affective disorder — is a mood disorder brought on by the biological effects of a lack of sunlight. Typically experienced in the late fall and winter, it is particularly prevalent in northern regions, according to the American Psychological Association (APA). What distinguishes seasonal bipolar disorder from SAD is the presence of a manic episode within a given period of time.

People must have a history of manic or hypomanic episodes (the extreme highs) to be diagnosed with a bipolar mood disorder, explains Ken Duckworth, MD, medical director for the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI) and an assistant professor at the Harvard University Medical School. If that’s not part of their medical history, he says, then their seasonal winter response is a depressive disorder and not bipolar.
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While I agree with what you wrote about the effect of her mother's suicide on Frances and the general sentiments, I have to respond to the underlined snipped part as it's not accurate. S.A.D. is a type of depression. It can be confusing because there is a bipolar depression but that is the balance to the manic episodes. The two going back and forth are what make it "bi"polar versus unipolar, which is the more typical depression you may hear about.

This is the best explanation that I've found thus far.

Doctors have long distinguished between seasonal depression and seasonal bipolar disorder. Seasonal depression — commonly referred to as SAD, for seasonal affective disorder — is a mood disorder brought on by the biological effects of a lack of sunlight. Typically experienced in the late fall and winter, it is particularly prevalent in northern regions, according to the American Psychological Association (APA). What distinguishes seasonal bipolar disorder from SAD is the presence of a manic episode within a given period of time.

People must have a history of manic or hypomanic episodes (the extreme highs) to be diagnosed with a bipolar mood disorder, explains Ken Duckworth, MD, medical director for the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI) and an assistant professor at the Harvard University Medical School. If that’s not part of their medical history, he says, then their seasonal winter response is a depressive disorder and not bipolar.
I understand that you have accepted as "truth" what the APA has tried to explain (which like most analyses change over time).

Personally, I don't accept that as truth - especially from the very people who do the analysis as they themselves tend to suffer from duality by nature, hence always analyzing... and do remember I said "supposedly" mild bipolar...

Everyone I have ever had the opportunity of exchanging with where I live (who has admitted to suffering from the "blues" during the rainy season) has exhibited - bar none - traits of pettiness, meanness of spirit, and selfishness, not to mention the overriding all-too-present characteristic of lying (especially to themselves), among many other toxic behaviours.

I have observed also that a mind that is conditioned to accept what others say is the truth will always have trouble looking at facts, and seeing for themselves whether what they see is true or false. Hence, such a mind is caught in a web of having opinions. The deeper the conditioning, the more that such a mind has a tendency to accept theory as truth - and doing so without question. The facts are that tomorrow someone will come along with a different newer theory, and the old so-called truth will be scrapped. This happens all the time. All exact sciences understand this. Psychology, from what I understand, has never been regarded as an exact science - the DSM is constantly being revised. So, what I am saying is that a conditioned opinionated mind cannot look at a fact except through its idea about such a fact - in other words, its opinion about such a fact. Therefore, the moment that anyone states and offers an opinion, such as, "This is right, or correct", and "This is wrong, or incorrect, or inaccurate", such a mind is condemning; and, in that process, demonstrating a lack self-awareness.
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I understand that you have accepted as "truth" what the APA has tried to explain (which like most analyses change over time).

Personally, I don't accept that as truth - especially from the very people who do the analysis as they themselves tend to suffer from duality by nature, hence always analyzing... and do remember I said "supposedly" mild bipolar...

Everyone I have ever had the opportunity of exchanging with where I live (who has admitted to suffering from the "blues" during the rainy season) has exhibited - bar none - traits of pettiness, meanness of spirit, and selfishness, not to mention the overriding all-too-present characteristic of lying (especially to themselves), among many other toxic behaviours.

I have observed also that a mind that is conditioned to accept what others say is the truth will always have trouble looking at facts, and seeing for themselves whether what they see is true or false. Hence, such a mind is caught in a web of having opinions. The deeper the conditioning, the more that such a mind has a tendency to accept theory as truth - and doing so without question. The facts are that tomorrow someone will come along with a different newer theory, and the old so-called truth will be scrapped. This happens all the time. All exact sciences understand this. Psychology, from what I understand, has never been regarded as an exact science - the DSM is constantly being revised. So, what I am saying is that a conditioned opinionated mind cannot look at a fact except through its idea about such a fact - in other words, its opinion about such a fact. Therefore, the moment that anyone states and offers an opinion, such as, "This is right, or correct", and "This is wrong, or incorrect, or inaccurate", such a mind is condemning; and, in that process, demonstrating a lack self-awareness.
Well, alrighty then.



I'll leave this be to let others get back to the thread topic momentarily but before I go, please understand the difference between us.

You have 'observed' and 'exchanged with' people who may or may not have suffered from S.A.D. or "the blues" as you call it, but I have dealt with it directly. I understand that we have very differing opinions and that's great. That's what this country is based on but to call it "the blues" can be trivializing. I say this as someone who has first hand experience with it so this is, indeed, my truth---no quotes. Truth.

Also, I've never known--either in myself or others--lying to be a symptom of S.A.D. Irritability, lack of motivation, mood swings, sure. The rest? Not so much. That is more directly a result of the person's personality. S.A.D. exaggerates feelings so if someone is an ass, then they will be a bigger ass when they are struggling with it. Perhaps someone could use the diagnosis as an excuse to be purposefully hateful but, again, that has nothing to do with the actual condition and everything to do with the person being a jackass.

If you are open to it, I'd like to discuss the underlined portion as it seems like you are applying it to me given my post but could be said about you as well in this situation. Feel free to message me if you'd like to discuss this more!

To come full circle in our discussion, an autopsy "confirmed the news that fashion icon Kate Spade committed suicide by hanging inside her Park Ave. apartment", the city Medical Examiner announced Thursday. This is still very sad and should initiate some in depth conversations with family and friends.
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How tragic his death, really enjoyed watching him on CNN, and omg, they said suicide!
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Anthony Bourdain, the chef, author and host of “Parts Unknown,” in New York in 2015.CreditAlex Welsh for The New York Times

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The travel host Anthony Bourdain, whose madcap memoir about the dark corners of New York’s restaurants made him into a celebrity chef and touched off a nearly two-decade career as a globe-trotting television host, died on Friday at 61.

Mr. Bourdain was found dead on Friday morning in his hotel room at the Le Chambard luxury hotel in Kaysersberg, a village in the Alsace region of eastern France, according to a prosecutor in the nearby city of Colmar. The prosecutor, Christian de Rocquigny du Fayel, said the cause of death was hanging. “At this stage, we have no reason to suspect foul play,” he said.

Mr. Bourdain had traveled to Strasbourg in France, near the country’s border with Germany, with a television production crew to record an episode of his show “Parts Unknown” on CNN, the network said. “It is with extraordinary sadness we can confirm the death of our friend and colleague,” CNN said in a statement.

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This I am way beyond happy about, if its true. He has done so much for Texas to help find lost loved ones, etc.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/13...84-murder.html
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Cool NY AG is suing President Trump & His Children

I am watching CNN, and apparently, there are allegations that Trump has used his charity's assets to pay legal bills, promote businesses - and so the New York State Attorney General has filed suit against the Donald J. Trump Foundation for allegations of: "persistent illegal conduct" & "conducted 'repeated and willful self-dealing' to benefit his personal and business interests, and violated 'basic legal obligations' for nonprofits".... details are sketchy...so far, but yikes, no wonder he has held back all of his income tax details

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0adfb8271b32f

Is this not sufficient grounds for impeachment?
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Salmonella has infected 73 people in 31 states. Investigators think the cause might be certain batches of Kellogg’s Honey Smacks cereal.

The CDC is advising people to check the bottom of the cereal boxes for a UPC code. The smaller cereal box has a code of 3800039103 and the larger 3800014810. If you have those boxes in your house, throw them out, don’t eat them.

Pull dates are for boxes with the use date between June14/2018 to June 14/2019

The CDC says even if some of the cereal was eaten and no one got sick to throw the rest away or return it for a refund and if you store cereal in a container and don't remember the brand name you should throw it out.

Source ABC News June 15, 2018 12:49 PM ET
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