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I too work in law enforcement, have for 5 years.
Let me first start by saying.....just because we put on a badge, does NOT make us perfect! Yes, we are held to a higher standard, looked upon as "perfection", but when I go home at night, take off my duty belt, and step out of my uniform, I am just like YOU! Human! I agree, some officers cross the line. Sadly, they are the ones who get the media, the recognition, the generalization for the rest of us...bad. I am sure there are a LOT less articles, videos, etc of officers who do above and beyond our job each and every day. And what about those officers and their families who make the ultimate sacrifice and are killed while protecting and serving?? As Bard pointed out, several videos show only the footage they Want you to see. Do you know what happened Before the camera "turned on"? Do you know the stress? Do you know if that officers life was endangered?? I would welcome Anyone to attend some of our training sessions. Learn the Use of Force continum that we model after. Be put into the dangers of the job daily..and Then pass judgement. Yes we are trained, we are suppose to live to a higher standard, but no amount of training will "take over" natural instincts when your life is being threatened. As for Taser..when it is used properly, it is, in my opinion, one of the best defenses we have on the market. In our department, we are required to be tased in order to carry. Yes, I was tased! I carry it! I use it! It has saved my ass several times! I encourage you to look at all the continuing research that Taser has posted on their site..www.taser.com. I am sure if you asked my partner or Bard's, they would tell you what it is like each and everyday to kiss us good bye, and know that there is a chance we won't come back home. Again, I by all means am NOT condoning the actions of theses officers, but I'm giving u the perspective of an officer.
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I wonder, as former Law Enforcement, when I got up and put my uniform on I retained my humanity, I did not become above the law of these United States that I swore to uphold. If I were to be tazed today I could very well die due to having a couple of electrodes attached to my spine. Nothing is gained IMO by pepper spraying women and children, it doesn't de-escalate, a protest. No amount of roughing up 74 year old Veterans makes the streets safer, zip tying people who are airing their grievances with their government is not necessary when people are using only the voice they were born with. Law Enforcement is not above the law, no matter how much training one has.
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To me it would not you have to use the force continuum in how you respond use the least or equal amount of force used against you. I don't know because I was not there. But one argument I have hears from people is " he just had a knife why did they shoot." well it only takes seconds for that knife to be in your chest. again lots of those video clips only show part of the incident. did you know most cops are killed in the line of duty when preforming a simple traffic stop, or that a domestic call is something we are scared as hell of
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MSNBC on NYPD Police Brutality during Occupy Wall Street protests last month
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This is bullshit he didn't even go to an emergency. It's just a power trip. Crazy people should not be allowed to be cops.
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The laws in Australia are different to the US ... just wondering if the Wall st. people could have the officers involved charged with assault?
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They could, however proving it in a court of law is difficult and without having ones life turned into flavor of the minute for the media. You see here in the US cops get away with murder, literally. So pouncing on peoples liberty and rights is a daily abuse. We as a country gave up habius corpus so we could catch some terrorists. Funny now they are dead and so are our rights.
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They could try and probably have, but as Lawrence O'Donnell said, they won't face any real punishments. Police brutality is underreported by the news media and isn't part of the national conversation. It won't be unless something horrifically egregious happens, for the media to pick up on it.
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I can only speak for my department and it is a small one but if a complaint is made it is investigated and most of the time the officer is guilty untill they are proven innocent. as a supervisor I have to investigate and I look at all sides I have to if my officer is ut of bounds I sure as hell don't want them on my squad. granted we have not had a brutality complaint. but I can tell you I was investigated once on how I took a male down because he claimed to much force.. untill the chief saw the bruises on my thigh where he had grabbed me after resisting another officer.
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Some of these situations here have led to officer's being disciplined (or even to criminal charges and fired) because the internal investigations did see that there was misconduct. I remember seeing s program about how some police departments have had "innocent" people get hurt while they are trying to act and those people had been hurt do to the interference of someone trying to videotape what was going on and got in the way or distracted the officers and they missed things like a weapon being drawn and shots fired that hit just someone in a neighborhood who came outside to see what was going on or hit through a window, perhaps just out taking a jog or run. Or an officer is hit. Always two sides to a story. These images bother me, but I also know that they may not be the whole story. If it is shown that an officer (s) are doing wrong, then they should be prosecuted or disciplined by their superiors. And if someone gets an innocent person (or officer) hurt or killed because they are totally focused on a video tape and have no official capacity in being part of an arrest, let's say, they ought to be held accountable. No, I would not want to be partnered or married to a cop- it is a very dangerous job. I do see the positive side to tasers, but I hope police departments are given all of the facts by manufacturers. |
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So let me tell you about the Back Page, 2 paragraph article in todays paper that reads: soldier shoots off duty cop. Happened in Colorado yesterday. Yes, one of our military soldiers sat as a Bait, pretending to be stranded, and shot an OFF duty officer who stopped to offer help and killed him. This officer did Not have to stop, he Chose to because he is a good guy, he honored his badge..and what did he get? A small little article on the back page, I'm sure that will bring his family comfort at night. See...not all "crazies" can be weeded out...even in our military
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