Any bets on Mueller vs Trump?

WheatToast · 09-25-2018, 07:33 PM

Call me a slaphappy optimist, but if Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller was able to take down John Gotti and his team of full horsepower Mafia attorneys, I doubt that Dumb Donald and his lead attorney Fruity Rudy will be any match at all for Mueller's surgical strategic planning.
When I saw Mueller has assigned some of the cases to the NY Southern District and other jurisdictions where Trump's pardons are useless, I knew he had neutralized Trump's pardoning powers, thereby destroying his only bargaining chips.
Also, I know Trump's base has threatened riots if Trump gets busted...but have you seen those guys? I'm never intimidated by men whose bra cup sizes are bigger than mine. Those beer guts also make their arms shorter--like an army of T Rexes.
When 70 out of 100 Americans want to see Trump face justice, the 30% left over won't like the odds of winning any riots. Like with Nixon, his base just STFU and pretended not to notice Nixon being run out of town on a rail. Bullies are just cowards with louder voices and their moms' tiki torches. Once their grand poohbah gets taken down, their big talk and threats of violence will fizzle out faster than Trump's hair color in prison.
Your thoughts?

Lyte · 10-03-2018, 03:06 PM

Bets? No ... only because it's Mueller against Trump and all Trump's appointed cronies and all the dinosaurs controlling Congress. The other reason I'd not hazard to bet on Mueller... is that so much crazy shit has come out about Trump himself ... his businesses ... his kids ... his past... his present... his f'ing everything ... and yet none of it has proven to be enough for Congress and/or his base to finally say enough! Even so... despite all of that ... I am still rooting for Mueller!

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Originally Posted by WheatToast

Call me a slaphappy optimist, but if Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller was able to take down John Gotti and his team of full horsepower Mafia attorneys, I doubt that Dumb Donald and his lead attorney Fruity Rudy will be any match at all for Mueller's surgical strategic planning.
When I saw Mueller has assigned some of the cases to the NY Southern District and other jurisdictions where Trump's pardons are useless, I knew he had neutralized Trump's pardoning powers, thereby destroying his only bargaining chips.
Also, I know Trump's base has threatened riots if Trump gets busted...but have you seen those guys? I'm never intimidated by men whose bra cup sizes are bigger than mine. Those beer guts also make their arms shorter--like an army of T Rexes.
When 70 out of 100 Americans want to see Trump face justice, the 30% left over won't like the odds of winning any riots. Like with Nixon, his base just STFU and pretended not to notice Nixon being run out of town on a rail. Bullies are just cowards with louder voices and their moms' tiki torches. Once their grand poohbah gets taken down, their big talk and threats of violence will fizzle out faster than Trump's hair color in prison.
Your thoughts?

Kätzchen · 11-26-2018, 09:29 AM

I'm actually interested in the subject of collusion, which is dangling precariously in the news. I remember back in the day, during Nixon-Gate, how his attorney John Dean was tried and convicted for his role (collusion). I also remember key participants in the spiraling saga of Enron, and how certain people (Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling?) were tried and convicted for their roles (collusion) in their fraudulent schemes.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would fall for the idea that collusion is an prosecutable offence because while collusion is not exactly narrowly defined as crime, it's the crimes committed via acts of collusion which are prosecutable.

I'm interested in this particular aspect of the Mueller investigation because tracking acts of crime and connecting key participant roles, will most likely be the way Mueller connects the proverbial dots, concerning the unclever charades by you-know-who.

A. Spectre · 11-27-2018, 03:39 AM

Pardons will not help Manafort, I believe state fraud charges would still be in play. Mueller probably uncovered a slew of crimes that could be prosecuted by the state and NOT at the federal level. Wiser minds than mine are whispering that Paulie is in fear for his life. This will get curiouser and curiouser each day.

There is a case heading toward The Supreme Court that would make state prosecutions after a presidential pardon unconstitutional "double jeopardy." One of the many sleazy reasons frat-boy kavanaugh is on the court.

Thank you New York for your AG!

nhplowboi · 11-27-2018, 09:35 AM

I do not know if Mueller plays chess or not but I see him as a Bobby Fischer type. He not only has his eye on the prize but all the things that might deter it from happening. He is meticulous and I have total faith in him.

WheatToast · 12-02-2018, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nhplowboi

I do not know if Mueller plays chess or not but I see him as a Bobby Fischer type. He not only has his eye on the prize but all the things that might deter it from happening. He is meticulous and I have total faith in him.

If Mueller was able to nail John Gotti, and with Trump's clown car full of ever changing, shady lawyers (Giulliani, at least) and all of his flipping associates, I doubt Trump stands a chance.

09-25-2018, 07:33 PM	#1
WheatToast Member How Do You Identify?: butch Preferred Pronoun?: she her Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Blue girl in a red state Posts: 242 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,050 Thanked 618 Times in 203 Posts Rep Power: 20797847	Any bets on Mueller vs Trump? Call me a slaphappy optimist, but if Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller was able to take down John Gotti and his team of full horsepower Mafia attorneys, I doubt that Dumb Donald and his lead attorney Fruity Rudy will be any match at all for Mueller's surgical strategic planning. When I saw Mueller has assigned some of the cases to the NY Southern District and other jurisdictions where Trump's pardons are useless, I knew he had neutralized Trump's pardoning powers, thereby destroying his only bargaining chips. Also, I know Trump's base has threatened riots if Trump gets busted...but have you seen those guys? I'm never intimidated by men whose bra cup sizes are bigger than mine. Those beer guts also make their arms shorter--like an army of T Rexes. When 70 out of 100 Americans want to see Trump face justice, the 30% left over won't like the odds of winning any riots. Like with Nixon, his base just STFU and pretended not to notice Nixon being run out of town on a rail. Bullies are just cowards with louder voices and their moms' tiki torches. Once their grand poohbah gets taken down, their big talk and threats of violence will fizzle out faster than Trump's hair color in prison. Your thoughts?

11-27-2018, 03:39 AM	#4
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11-26-2018, 09:29 AM	#3
Kätzchen Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Monogamously Attached to my boyfriend and future husband. Join Date: May 2010 Location: He’s usually with me unless I am with Him. Posts: 15,085 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 35,994 Thanked 31,994 Times in 9,939 Posts Rep Power: 21474865	I'm actually interested in the subject of collusion, which is dangling precariously in the news. I remember back in the day, during Nixon-Gate, how his attorney John Dean was tried and convicted for his role (collusion). I also remember key participants in the spiraling saga of Enron, and how certain people (Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling?) were tried and convicted for their roles (collusion) in their fraudulent schemes. I find it hard to believe that anyone would fall for the idea that collusion is an prosecutable offence because while collusion is not exactly narrowly defined as crime, it's the crimes committed via acts of collusion which are prosecutable. I'm interested in this particular aspect of the Mueller investigation because tracking acts of crime and connecting key participant roles, will most likely be the way Mueller connects the proverbial dots, concerning the unclever charades by you-know-who.

11-27-2018, 09:35 AM	#5
nhplowboi Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: male pronouns Relationship Status: Good question. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 915 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,193 Thanked 3,465 Times in 741 Posts Rep Power: 21474851	I do not know if Mueller plays chess or not but I see him as a Bobby Fischer type. He not only has his eye on the prize but all the things that might deter it from happening. He is meticulous and I have total faith in him.