Able-Bodied Privilege

[AtLast]

There is certainly able-bodied privilege present here (and all over) and I especially see it poke it's ugly head often in threads about sex & sexuality. We seem to have no problem recognizing our racial or class privilege, and face our denial quite often, but I don't see this much when it comes to able-bodied privilege. Don't see much consideration about it much at all. Of course, someone could be a POC, poor, female, etc. and disabled... Disability can range in severity and impairment as well as age of onset. Going from able-bodied status to one of disability is quite different than for people that have always lived with a disability.

Please post your thoughts....

Able-bodied privilege checklist:

This list is based on Peggy McIntosh’s article on white privilege. These dynamics are but a few examples of the privilege which able-bodied people have.

On a daily basis as an able-bodied person…

1. I can easily arrange to be in the company of people of my physical ability.
2. If I need to move, I can easily be assured of purchasing housing I can get access to easily - accessibility is one thing I do not need to make a special point of looking for.
3. I can be assured that my entire neighborhood will be accessible to me.
4. I can assume that I can go shopping alone, and they will always have appropriate accommodations to make this experience hassle-free.
5. I can turn on the television or open a newspaper and see people of my physical ability represented.
6. When I learned about history, people of my physical ability were well represented.
7. I was given curricular material which showed people like me as a role model.
8. I can be assured that assumptions about my mental capabilities will not be made based on my physical status.
9. I can swear, dress sloppily, or even be in a bad mood without people attributing it to my physical disability.
10. I can do well in challenging situations very often without being told what an inspiration I must be to other able-bodied people.
11. I have been asked to speak for all physically challenged people.
12. Almost always, when asking to speak to the person in charge, will find someone of the same physical status.
13. I can buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, children’s magazines featuring people of the same physical status.
14. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having someone suspect I got my job because of my disability.
15. If I am fired, not given a raise, or not hired, I do not have to question whether it had anything to do with my appearing physically incompetent..

Addition:

I can be assured that assumptions about my sexuality and sexual needs and desires as well will not be made based on my physical status.

[I'mOneToo]

not sure how to do this but my replies are in CAPS

There is certainly able-bodied privilege present here (and all over) and I especially see it poke it's ugly head often in threads about sex & sexuality. We seem to have no problem recognizing our racial or class privilege, and face our denial quite often, but I don't see this much when it comes to able-bodied privilege. Don't see much consideration about it much at all. Of course, someone could be a POC, poor, female, etc. and disabled... Disability can range in severity and impairment as well as age of onset. Going from able-bodied status to one of disability is quite different than for people that have always lived with a disability.

Please post your thoughts....

Able-bodied privilege checklist:

This list is based on Peggy McIntosh’s article on white privilege. These dynamics are but a few examples of the privilege which able-bodied people have.

On a daily basis as an able-bodied person…

1. I can easily arrange to be in the company of people of my physical ability.

NO


2. If I need to move, I can easily be assured of purchasing housing I can get access to easily - accessibility is one thing I do not need to make a special point of looking for.

NO


3. I can be assured that my entire neighborhood will be accessible to me.

NO NO NO


4. I can assume that I can go shopping alone, and they will always have appropriate accommodations to make this experience hassle-free.

HELL NO


5. I can turn on the television or open a newspaper and see people of my physical ability represented.

NOPE


6. When I learned about history, people of my physical ability were well represented.

NON-EXISTENT


7. I was given curricular material which showed people like me as a role model.

NO


8. I can be assured that assumptions about my mental capabilities will not be made based on my physical status.

OH HELL NO


9. I can swear, dress sloppily, or even be in a bad mood without people attributing it to my physical disability.

NOPE


10. I can do well in challenging situations very often without being told what an inspiration I must be to other able-bodied people.

THAT KIND OF PANDERING MAKES ME BARF


11. I have been asked to speak for all physically challenged people.

UH NO, BUT I HAVE PIPED UP TO ADVOCATE FOR MYSELF AND OTHERS


12. Almost always, when asking to speak to the person in charge, will find someone of the same physical status.

NO, AND VERY UNLIKELY TO EVER FIND THAT


13. I can buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, children’s magazines featuring people of the same physical status.

HAHA NOT IN THIS SPHERE


14. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having someone suspect I got my job because of my disability.

I COULDN'T EVEN GET AN INTERVIEW, LET ALONE A JOB


15. If I am fired, not given a raise, or not hired, I do not have to question whether it had anything to do with my appearing physically incompetent..

DOES NOT APPLY

Addition:

I can be assured that assumptions about my sexuality and sexual needs and desires as well will not be made based on my physical status.

NO, IT IS ASSUMED I HAVE NO SEXUALITY, NO SEXUAL NEEDS, NO DESIRES, AND NEVER WILL.

[SuperFemme]

What does it look like when able body privilege pokes it ugly head up in conversations about sex and sexuality? Because I'm differently abled (HATE the word disabled) and I have not seen it.

Can you give me some examples?

[Andrew, Jr.]

My answers are no, as well. Most all of the women who I have met...they just don't want to be bothered. It is an inconvience to them to have a guy/butch who is not rock solid.

[I'mOneToo]

For me, primarily in clinical settings (of which there are many in my life, unfortunately). I am loath to discuss such personal details in a public forum but it is an issue for me. It's an extremely sensitive issue, obviously, and I can answer a general survey (such as above) but that's about it. But are you asking AtLastHome? Not clear. Sorry if this is overstepping. You may have gotten that answer already while I'm typing.

What does it look like when able body privilege pokes it ugly head up in conversations about sex and sexuality? Because I'm differently abled (HATE the word disabled) and I have not seen it.

Can you give me some examples?

[Andrew, Jr.]

For me, it too is a very sensative topic. It isn't something that I can be talking about openly on a forum. I am a pretty open guy, but somethings I do hold close to my chest.

[Corkey]

I can address something here. Until I met my Ami, I hadn't been accepted for my abelness, or lack there of. I won't talk about our sex life, that is private, but I can say, she is the only one who has ever said I am fine, just the way I am.
I am fortunate enough to qualify for the lift access anywhere I need or want to go. There is a large differently abled population here where we are, and companies for the most part have wheel chair access. Of course its illegal to use a powered wheelchair on the side walks here, dumb beyond belief.
The stores we use have power carts, except Aldees, at least it's small and I can walk that far.
Does this give me more privilege because we're in a place that has these accommodations? Perhaps, there is still so much more to do for the community.

[AtLast]

For me, primarily in clinical settings (of which there are many in my life, unfortunately). I am loath to discuss such personal details in a public forum but it is an issue for me. It's an extremely sensitive issue, obviously, and I can answer a general survey (such as above) but that's about it. But are you asking AtLastHome? Not clear. Sorry if this is overstepping. You may have gotten that answer already while I'm typing.

I really have no specific agenda about how the thread can or should go. I know that there are some things I would not be specific about just because, unfortunately, sometimes members post in very insensitive and.. well, ignorant ways. I just wanted to call attention to this as I feel all other kinds of privilege get talked about. And since I really have read some totally able-bodied privileged remarks about sex here and on the dash site, I feel a little enlightenment is needed. Also, many people are really not aware of what they are saying.. and not really in a mean way. They just don't have any perswonal experience with the subject.

What does it look like when able body privilege pokes it ugly head up in conversations about sex and sexuality? Because I'm differently abled (HATE the word disabled) and I have not seen it.

Can you give me some examples?

Yes, I get the differently-abled idea.

OK, on the infidelity thread, there was a post that bugged me in that it made a reference to illness and disability as a reason for someone to seek sex outside of the relationship. Obviously, the person was talking about a partner not having these issues at the start of their relationship.

What bothered me was 1) viewing someone with a disability or chronic illness as sexually defective.... Hello, there are many ways to have sex and I felt this was predicated on the able-bodied place of privilege that sexual activity can only be one way, the able-bodied person's way. 2) an inability to explore adjustments and adaptations for a partner. 3) Using a disability issue as an excuse to seek sex outside of the relationship. People are different about fidelity, so please do not think I am speaking about poly folks in a negative manner, I'm not. This is just one example.

I also have a close femme friend that has run into the other side of this- having people believe they are doing her some kind of favor as an able-bodied person having sex with her. She can see this sort a mile away and smacks their privilege right down, but this is not true for many other differently-abled women. She has also had more than one incident of drivers of Para-transit buses hitting on her, mostly with this pity-fuck attitude. All old farty men.. she's in her 20's and this is during the course of their work hours. Yes, she reported this. She is very attractive and quite severely disabled and has been since birth. She is also an extremely bright and articulate woman.. and enjoys sex. She has been sexually active in the same age ranges and frequencies as the rest of us. LOL.. I admit, I have to be careful and not try to intervene for her if it is not invited. She can take care of herself and does.

And oh yes, she deals with what One is talking about…. The complete denial of disabled people having a normal and healthy libido!

Does this help?

[pajama]

I've heard folks say (outside of here) that people don't view them as "sexual" because of their physical challenges. I don't really understand that, becasue it is not something that I do. I may have lots of other biased opinions about your (the general) abilities, but sexuality doesn't really come to my mind.

But as a large, middle-aged, woman, I also get this alot from the "kids" I work with when I talk about sexuality...Like I don't like to get it just like the next person. :D

[Gemme]

I've heard folks say (outside of here) that people don't view them as "sexual" because of their physical challenges. I don't really understand that, becasue it is not something that I do. I may have lots of other biased opinions about your (the general) abilities, but sexuality doesn't really come to my mind.

But as a large, middle-aged, woman, I also get this alot from the "kids" I work with when I talk about sexuality...Like I don't like to get it just like the next person. :D


I'd just like to interject something here....

Middle-aged, my ASS!

Carry on. :blink:

[Corkey]

There are folks who are but a breath away from being differently abled. So if ones partner is healthy when they met them, then becomes differently abled, and the partner then decides they can't deal and leave....For me that is a character flaw, no more no less. People leave relationships for any number of reasons. Using someone else's physical abilities to leave is a cowards way out of a relationship. If they really can't deal, it is their issue. My .02

eta: Mental abilities as well. Unless of course said partner is a threat to ones life.

[AtLast]

I can address something here. Until I met my Ami, I hadn't been accepted for my abelness, or lack there of. I won't talk about our sex life, that is private, but I can say, she is the only one who has ever said I am fine, just the way I am.
I am fortunate enough to qualify for the lift access anywhere I need or want to go. There is a large differently abled population here where we are, and companies for the most part have wheel chair access. Of course its illegal to use a powered wheelchair on the side walks here, dumb beyond belief.
The stores we use have power carts, except Aldees, at least it's small and I can walk that far.
Does this give me more privilege because we're in a place that has these accommodations? Perhaps, there is still so much more to do for the community.

NO! City planners all over need to get it together to provide access! People that don't deal with disabilities are the one's with the privilege... the whole damn world is built for them. Yet, here in the US as the masses of baby-boomers age, more acess is needed. And more awareness. This is a huge population that has paid into various systems like social security.

Hummm.. just thought of something else, the belief that disabled people do not work and thus don't pay taxes that are used for public building, and buy homes, shop in stores... you know, consume goods and services that we all need in order to have a working economy!

[SuperFemme]

Yes, I get the differently-abled idea.

OK, on the infidelity thread, there was a post that bugged me in that it made a reference to illness and disability as a reason for someone to seek sex outside of the relationship. Obviously, the person was talking about a partner not having these issues at the start of their relationship.

What bothered me was 1) viewing someone with a disability or chronic illness as sexually defective.... Hello, there are many ways to have sex and I felt this was predicated on the able-bodied place of privilege that sexual activity can only be one way, the able-bodied person's way. 2) an inability to explore adjustments and adaptations for a partner. 3) Using a disability issue as an excuse to seek sex outside of the relationship. People are different about fidelity, so please do not think I am speaking about poly folks in a negative manner, I'm not. This is just one example.

I also have a close femme friend that has run into the other side of this- having people believe they are doing her some kind of favor as an able-bodied person having sex with her. She can see this sort a mile away and smacks their privilege right down, but this is not true for many other differently-abled women. She has also had more than one incident of drivers of Para-transit buses hitting on her, mostly with this pity-fuck attitude. All old farty men.. she's in her 20's and this is during the course of their work hours. Yes, she reported this. She is very attractive and quite severely disabled and has been since birth. She is also an extremely bright and articulate woman.. and enjoys sex. She has been sexually active in the same age ranges and frequencies as the rest of us. LOL.. I admit, I have to be careful and not try to intervene for her if it is not invited. She can take care of herself and does.

And oh yes, she deals with what One is talking about…. The complete denial of disabled people having a normal and healthy libido!

Does this help?


Maybe it is two different reading on one thing. I read and then re-read the post in question. I didn't read it the same way you did. I read it as an unfortunate fact that chronic/severe illness can cause so much stress in a relationship that intimacy goes by the wayside. It happens, and I am not sure that is able bodied privilege as it takes TWO to work on intimacy. Perhaps in some cases. I have more than a fair share of differentabilities. I have traumatic brain injury and have seizures. I've done a few years of chemo. It hasn't affected me too much. I have a great relationship with the hubby and we use humor to get through. (like i am a life sized vibrator).

I went to a Winter Ball recently and wow did they go out of the way to accommodate my wheelchair. I even had my own personal valet push me up the wheel chair ramp, and Toughy danced with me a did a strip-tease. My hubby sat on my lap and we slow wheeled rather than slow dance.

I have NEVER had the impression that a person was doing me a favor, but I have thought to myself that some people LOVE to pat themselves on the back for being so accepting. It makes me smile inside because they have no clue how transparent or asshatish that is.

We're all sexual creatures, no matter the ism we carry. Woof!

eta: i don't so much believe that able bodied *privilege* is a systemic problem. I think for the most part people don't know what they don't know. I try to educate whomever journeys into my path, and usually when I do we have a wonderful series of A-Ha moments OR they bury their head in sand deeper because it scares them in a *but for the grace of god go I* kind of way.

[Rockinonahigh]

Being disabled sucks,u bet thats not even strong enough word to use or will theire be one.Some of u know I have an issus with my back and need something done to releave the pressure on the nerves so I can walk normaly without limping or useing my cane.This back issue had goten my spine out of alignment and its hurting in a couple of other places in my neck and left shoulder.Im able to work if the ppl I work for will allow me the priviledge to sit or take a stretrch break to loosen the tight musels in muy back now and then.
Sofar I havent found one job that would even give it a thought muchless do it..forget giveing me a try out and see if will work out for us as employee and employer.I know there are laws to help us get jobs and protect our rights but in the real world it aint so, cause no one pays any attention to them.Im on ssi and medicaid but still want to live a real life as I can and not be hidden in the corner and forgoten about.Im still puting out apps weekly hopeing something will work out,cause if I stop it means giveing up for me.
As for a relationship,I gave up on them a long time ago,its not that I would turn one down if the lady was understanding about how things work with the injury and all.But dam very fue take the time to deal with less abled ppl.I will no longer be anyones meal/drink ticket or used for a ride if ur car is busted.Since this happened on 2007 I have lost friends and aquantences,been broke more than any time of my life as well as lsot near everything I had.Now im on an even keel but only by the skin of my teeth.
Im in hopes that this year I can get things fixed and move on but I also realise I will always have some physical issues to deal with just not as bad as before.

[I'mOneToo]

Typically, differently-abled people are viewed as a drain on society's resources, rather than contributors to it. I DO pay taxes with ever dollar I spend. But when I shop at a market and discuss access issues with management, they look at me like I'm a three-headed goat. They talk at me, but not to me. They say conciliatory words but somehow it's always "corporate" who's responsible for the lack of accessibility in the locality, never the locality's management. Never having been asked to speak on the behalf of differently-abled people, all I can do is try to make inroads where I see there is a lack, by speaking to management. This is a challenge in itself, the very act of speaking. In body and mind, I may be a little on the humpty dumpty side, but not in heart. That is intact. And is fully functioning, and capable of feeling every facet that one who is "able" can feel. But I'm talked down to, like a pre-verbal infant. Or people who shout, as though hearing is a problem (it's not). Then, there are people who finish my sentences and have no fucking idea what they are talking about because it's MY SENTENCE DAMMIT LET ME FINISH IT. Uh oh. I feel a rant coming on. I have a longer list than I thought. Better stop.

NO! City planners all over need to get it together to provide access! People that don't deal with disabilities are the one's with the privilege... the whole damn world is built for them. Yet, here in the US as the masses of baby-boomers age, more acess is needed. And more awareness. This is a huge population that has paid into various systems like social security.

Hummm.. just thought of something else, the belief that disabled people do not work and thus don't pay taxes that are used for public building, and buy homes, shop in stores... you know, consume goods and services that we all need in order to have a working economy!

[SuperFemme]

Typically, differently-abled people are viewed as a drain on society's resources, rather than contributors to it. I DO pay taxes with ever dollar I spend. But when I shop at a market and discuss access issues with management, they look at me like I'm a three-headed goat. They talk at me, but not to me. They say conciliatory words but somehow it's always "corporate" who's responsible for the lack of accessibility in the locality, never the locality's management. Never having been asked to speak on the behalf of differently-abled people, all I can do is try to make inroads where I see there is a lack, by speaking to management. This is a challenge in itself, the very act of speaking. In body and mind, I may be a little on the humpty dumpty side, but not in heart. That is intact. And is fully functioning, and capable of feeling every facet that one who is "able" can feel. But I'm talked down to, like a pre-verbal infant. Or people who shout, as though hearing is a problem (it's not). Then, there are people who finish my sentences and have no fucking idea what they are talking about because it's MY SENTENCE DAMMIT LET ME FINISH IT. Uh oh. I feel a rant coming on. I have a longer list than I thought. Better stop.

I don't even bother with management. I report report report and send a letter threatening a lawsuit for failure to comply with ADA law. I have not had to sue yet, it has always been handled by the proper authorities.

SO out of style not to be accessible these days, and SO not a choice. It's law.

[Gemme]

For those that don't know, I work for a hotel. This hotel has been here for almost 50 years, changing hands along the way a few times, and after all this time they still do not have the proper access for those on wheels or using canes and walkers. I mean, there have been some renovations done but the HA door to the lobby is.....well, not. Two entrances. One has a slight ramp leading into the back of our lobby area. This, the official HA door, is usually locked. :blink:

I know.

Sometimes during the day, it's open but it's always locked after dark. The other entrance has a fairly heavy door and there's no automatic door button for that one. I've suggested it; asked for it...but all the owners see (past and present) is the bottom line. What they don't see is a potential lawsuit and how much that would cost in the end not to mention that I just feel damn BAD when I see someone struggling with it. I get upset and annoyed FOR the guest because it should BE there already for them to use.

Honestly, I am genuinely surprised that we've passed inspections with a major brand with the layout like this. It really makes me wonder.

[I'mOneToo]

I would really like to know how to take action with the ADA and get results. I have their numbers and an address in... hmm where is it, somewhere in federal offices... have not mailed any letters because: after talking to the people on the ADA line they suggest speaking to management. So what should I do?

At the same store a couple of years ago, I raised another issue and it was righted immediately, AND a $50 store gift certificate given to me for bringing it to their attention. THAT'S a manager who knows how to avoid a lawsuit. Now it's a new manager and he leans heavily on the "corporate excuse". Just waiting to get sued I guess.

I don't even bother with management. I report report report and send a letter threatening a lawsuit for failure to comply with ADA law. I have not had to sue yet, it has always been handled by the proper authorities.

SO out of style not to be accessible these days, and SO not a choice. It's law.

[SuperFemme]

Arriving in inconspicuous plain white envelopes, attorney Scott Johnson’s letters have some local businesses working frantically to avoid lawsuits.
And the letters are no scam.

Johnson, a quadriplegic, is an attorney focusing on compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) since 2004.

That’s the same year California raised the minimum fine per infraction from $1,000 to $4,000, Johnson said.

The attorney has sent letters to businesses in Sacramento, Roseville and Auburn during that time, according to news reports, and now Lincoln.
Johnson said he sends letters to businesses “wherever I go.”

Pete Alcala, owner of Ace Body Shop and Towing on G Street, received one of Johnson’s letters on April 13.

“I have really no clue why I got this,” Alcala said.

It is a form letter, stating that Alcala’s business is not in compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act and asking that it be brought into compliance within 90 days. It also states that business owners “should not rely on city or county building inspectors, state lottery inspectors or non-existent grandfather clauses.”

The letter is signed by Johnson, with a contact address in Carmichael but no phone number.

Alcala said that at least two other area businesses also received letters.
A similar letter was sent about the same time as Alcala’s to Scott Swenson at American Home Realty, next door to Alcala’s shop.

“I didn’t know if it was a scam but my building was remodeled eight or nine years ago and I thought it was just a letter that had gone to every business in Lincoln and didn’t apply to me,” Swenson said. “I’m going to look into it a little further.”

Alcala didn’t wait.

Within days of receiving the letter, he contacted city of Lincoln Building Official Todd Cunningham, who pointed out some areas that were out of compliance.

Cunningham has no authority to enforce Americans with Disabilities Act codes as it is a national civil- rights act.

“We have no statutory rights to enforce it,” Cunningham said. “It’s (the business owners’) responsibility to know and comply with it.”

Even when new buildings go up, Cunningham said, they are typically only inspected for California’s set of laws regarding disabled access.
Cunningham said he is not currently qualified to pass any businesses on federal ADA guidelines.

That will all change in about a year with SB1608, a state law passed last year that will require specialists at local jurisdictions to know the federal guidelines and inspect businesses for compliance by sometime in 2010, Cunningham said. The time delay is meant to give inspectors time to get certified – a process Cunningham is currently going through.

“Essentially what this law is designed to do is you would call me, I’d come out and do an analysis of the building and could put a sticker on the window,” Cunningham said. “It’s designed to give you time. It’s just getting its legs.”

Cunningham said stickers issued by certified inspectors on the window would show that work to come into compliance is in progress and it would fast-track any lawsuits that arise.

“I voted for that bill last year,” said Assemblyman Ted Gaines (R-Roseville). “It allows for corrective action before litigation.”

After painting a disabled-parking spot and installing a new, wider door with Americans with Disabilities Act-compliant hardware, Alcala said he has spent about $700.

“If we don’t comply, I’m going to get sued,” Alcala said. “I can’t afford it. I firmly believe the city should be backing us. If we’re not in compliance, someone should let us know.”

Alcala, whose building was built 60 years ago, has been in business in the same location for 17 years. He said he wants to comply but he’s not sure who to turn to for help.

Johnson said his letters are not required and that he could file a lawsuit anytime he sees an infraction.

In response to questions over why his letters don’t include a list of the infractions, Johnson said he sends generic-form letters because, if he identified specific infractions, that would be all the business owner would fix and there may be more than he identified.

“Any time period that they need to do the modifications, that’s fine with me,” Johnson said. “They just need to keep me in the loop.”

Johnson said his intention is to bring businesses into compliance, despite some businesses’ claims that he is making a living off of it.

When asked how many letters he had sent to Lincoln businesses, Johnson merely replied, “several.”

“They’re the ones breaking the law,” Johnson said. “The ADA came in 1990. Why are they still in the Dark Ages? It’s unacceptable.”

Judy Guiraud, a Lincoln resident who uses a power chair, said that she appreciates the businesses that are in compliance and enjoys shopping in Lincoln.

With that said, Guiraud also understands what Johnson is doing.

"As a person who can’t get myself into most of the buildings in Lincoln, I have no problem with him," Guiraud said. “What Scott’s doing seems odious, but if people abide by the law, he would be out of business.”

Guiraud added that most businesses “probably want to be compliant and that the changes to come into compliance usually aren’t very expensive.”
Next week, Brandon Darnell will have a story about what steps should be taken to avoid a lawsuit on disability issues. He can be reached by e-mail at brandond@goldcountrymedia.com.

more info: http://www.ncd.gov/newsroom/publications/2005/15yearprogress.htm

[Corkey]

I would really like to know how to take action with the ADA and get results. I have their numbers and an address in... hmm where is it, somewhere in federal offices... have not mailed any letters because: after talking to the people on the ADA line they suggest speaking to management. So what should I do?

At the same store a couple of years ago, I raised another issue and it was righted immediately, AND a $50 store gift certificate given to me for bringing it to their attention. THAT'S a manager who knows how to avoid a lawsuit. Now it's a new manager and he leans heavily on the "corporate excuse". Just waiting to get sued I guess.

Does your town have a DA? If so take it to them. It is after all Law.

[I'mOneToo]

more corruption in this town than you can shake a stick at. DA so far away and inaccessible, he might as well be on the moon. there is law, and then there is unenforceable/unwillinglawenforcement-people... everybody's got i-dont-give-a-shit-itis.



Does your town have a DA? If so take it to them. It is after all Law.

[Corkey]

more corruption in this town than you can shake a stick at. DA so far away and inaccessible, he might as well be on the moon. there is law, and then there is unenforceable/unwillinglawenforcement-people... everybody's got i-dont-give-a-shit-itis.

Ah, then go higher to your states AG. And if you get no response from them try the ACLU.

eta: It's Federal Law folks, don't let anyone from your state blow you off. These are our rights, find the # to the Federal AG and don't stop til you get things fixed.

[SuperFemme]

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?

[Corkey]

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?


As for me no, but then I don't associate those having a mental incapacity with the work fuck, nor tard. To me the word is appropriate for asshats of the fucker persuasion.

[Liam]

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?

I wince, every time I see it.

[Diva]

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?




I absolutely cannot STAND it. It is repulsive to me.

[Medusa]

I don't know if I qualify as differently-abled by conventional standards but I am certainly Bipolar and have mobility issues, so here I am. :)

One thing I have wondered about is where the ADA stands on "reasonable" accommodation. I have wondered lately if requiring larger seating on airplanes, in movie theaters, etc. will eventually become part of the ADA if being obese is eventually deemed a "disability". And also wondering where the line of responsibility begins and ends?

Im particularly thinking about wheelchair ramp requirements, etc. and how that might eventually translate to online stuff.

One example of this: Someone sent me an email on the Admin email for the site and wanted to know when/if we planned to install voice-to-text software for this site because that person had carpal tunnel syndrome and was unable to type.
At this point, it would have to happen on their end but it got me to wondering about who would (should?) be ultimately responsible for accessibility. Im thinking about the article that Adele posted about the guy who was sending letters out to the non-ADA-compliant businesses and how it might work if we received a letter stating we HAD to install the voice-to-text software for sight-impaired folks or folks who couldnt type on this site. What if that software cost $5000?

It would essentially put us out of business.

I get that access shouldnt be about money, but I do understand the fears of small business owners who simply cant afford to do upgrades without jeopardizing their businesses. It makes me wonder if there are government programs out there to help out with these costs.

I'll have to do a little research because, granted, I havent encountered this issue in an online capacity but it is sure to migrate this way at some point. Good posts here! :)

[Spirit Dancer]

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?

I've no use for that word, and it gripes me everytime I see it.

[Medusa]

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?

And no, not a fan of that at all.

[AtLast]

There is a good voice translation software program (Dragon) that people can install on their computers that have problems with such physical issues. I talk, it writes.... I use it myself as there are times when I just can't type that much when I have a lot of pain going on. It isn't cheap (about $400), but has been a terrific thing in my life! I actually did purchase it while still practicing and was able to include it on my taxes as a deduction.

Because these kinds of programs exist, I am certain that the reasonable accommodation clause of the ADA would not kick in here. also, the site is not publicly owned or operated.

Yup, disability applies to physical, mental/emotional, invisible, neurological, even floating impairment or challenge, or differently-abled and a whole lot of states of being! One more reason the world needs to be more aware of access and accommodation issues! You qualify, Dusa!

I don't know if I qualify as differently-abled by conventional standards but I am certainly Bipolar and have mobility issues, so here I am. :)

One thing I have wondered about is where the ADA stands on "reasonable" accommodation. I have wondered lately if requiring larger seating on airplanes, in movie theaters, etc. will eventually become part of the ADA if being obese is eventually deemed a "disability". And also wondering where the line of responsibility begins and ends?

Im particularly thinking about wheelchair ramp requirements, etc. and how that might eventually translate to online stuff.

One example of this: Someone sent me an email on the Admin email for the site and wanted to know when/if we planned to install voice-to-text software for this site because that person had carpal tunnel syndrome and was unable to type.
At this point, it would have to happen on their end but it got me to wondering about who would (should?) be ultimately responsible for accessibility. Im thinking about the article that Adele posted about the guy who was sending letters out to the non-ADA-compliant businesses and how it might work if we received a letter stating we HAD to install the voice-to-text software for sight-impaired folks or folks who couldnt type on this site. What if that software cost $5000?

It would essentially put us out of business.

I get that access shouldnt be about money, but I do understand the fears of small business owners who simply cant afford to do upgrades without jeopardizing their businesses. It makes me wonder if there are government programs out there to help out with these costs.

I'll have to do a little research because, granted, I havent encountered this issue in an online capacity but it is sure to migrate this way at some point. Good posts here! :)

[Andrew, Jr.]

The one thing that really bothers me...and really gets me...is when someone talks down to me. I am not stupid. I process language differently. And I don't need to hold your hand to cross the street, be introduced to strangers, or be given a plate of food when at a bbq, potluck, or whatever. I have my dignity & self-respect. I want that. And as I am aging I am observing that it is going right back to ground zero. The harder I push, the harder society is at stairring, pointing, and belittling. Does anyone else notice this?

Also, fighting the ADA, EEOC, and for other Fed. Gov't rights it's expensive and usually a waste of time. The employer wins out a majority of the time. The employee lacks the money, time, access to legal advice, and so on. Words are just words until you put meaning behind them. I think of the ADA, and the EEOC as just that - a waste of taxpayer money. Very, very few people win out over employers due to money, time, and access to legal advice. It is the laws of nature. Those who thrive - survive, imho.

[SuperFemme]

Software for people with different abilities. For Dusa'.

http://www.e-bility.com/links/software.php

[Liam]

FYI, I believe speak and write software has been part of the Apple operating system for about 20 years.

[theoddz]

Okay....on the subject of access and discrimination, here's one I'll throw out there.

As many of you know, I work at a federal facility that's on a military base. It's a hospital, and one that is shared between the Air Force (which also has its outpatient clinics located inside the facility) and the VA, which I work for. Parking is always a crunch, and there are 5 parking lots that surround the hospital. There is an "Employee Only" lot that is significantly further from the building, and my office, than another couple of lots, which are designated for visitors. Both have ADA parking spaces, though not enough, of course. Recently, the facilities management department stationed personnel out in the visitor lots in the morning, for the purpose of redirecting staff members to move their cars to the employee lot. While this would normally be fine, I have a problem with it. I have ADA parking plates that say I can park in any ADA designated parking place. I CHOOSE to park my truck in the lot, which just so happens to be a "visitor" lot because it is closer to my office. I have 2 (totally) titanium knees and, although I do walk a lot with my job, by the time I get off of a 12 hour shift, I'm fighting pain. Parking in the employee lot would mean that I'd have to walk across the hospital and then out to a back parking lot, which does have ADA parking spaces, but it's significantly farther for me to have to walk. That's why I park in the visitor lot ADA spaces.

One of these facility management guys stood and argued with me one morning, even after I explained why I needed to park where I do. Oh, and there is a lady I know who works in the hospital IT office. She rides an electric scooter and has an O2 tank. They badgered her, too, about how she needed to park in the employee lot. There's only about 6 ADA spaces in that employee lot and lots of times, I see visitors taking those spaces because they are more convenient to the Air Force outpatient clinics. Why, WHY do they hassle folks?? Why not just let differently abled folks just park where they need to park (in legally designated ADA parking places), as long as we have ADA plates/placards?? I may look like I can walk okay, but no one can judge how much pain I'm in when I do it. It just pisses me the hell off when someone looks at me and says, "Well, you look okay. It's looks like you can <insert activity here>." :|

Jeesh.....your tax dollars hard at work, folks!!! :|

~Theo~ :bouquet:.....who is counting down the last 5 years until retirement!!! :D

[robbrt]

Some states have a department such as Indiana's, in which their lawyers will fight for your right to have accessibility, etc, as to the ADA specifications. This is who certified me as a QMRP-D. They offer tons of information. Searching your state's website should procure the information needed and if your state participates in such a program. I bet if you contact Karen at IPAS should could even help you or direct you in the right direction for your state.

Indiana--IPAS

http://www.in.gov/ipas/

[Rockinonahigh]

I would really like to know how to take action with the ADA and get results. I have their numbers and an address in... hmm where is it, somewhere in federal offices... have not mailed any letters because: after talking to the people on the ADA line they suggest speaking to management. So what should I do?

At the same store a couple of years ago, I raised another issue and it was righted immediately, AND a $50 store gift certificate given to me for bringing it to their attention. THAT'S a manager who knows how to avoid a lawsuit. Now it's a new manager and he leans heavily on the "corporate excuse". Just waiting to get sued I guess.

I would like to find away to get some response form anyone who can find out what to do about a situation I had at a job I had about a year ago.They hired me knowing about the back injury.when I went back for and second interviue the person I was talking to said that he was hireing me but the consensus of the owners and management I couldnt handle the job.I took the job any way and didnt miss a day and did my job fully.Then I went in for orentation and they stalled on me in the group meeting and kept me on hold all day even tho I was issued uniformes and equipment for the job,I was told to come in to work the next day cause they had to reviue a vid tape of me working to see what thry were going to do.I should have told them to kiss my fat a-- but I didnt I showed up ofr work and then was told I was fired cause someone who was anothe pref person said I couldnt handle the work..not the boss or amnagement but someone who had way less experence in this kind of work.I reported this to mt rehab super but he said ..well I cant do anything about it so get over it.What happened to reprensation?

[AtLast]

Okay....on the subject of access and discrimination, here's one I'll throw out there.

As many of you know, I work at a federal facility that's on a military base. It's a hospital, and one that is shared between the Air Force (which also has its outpatient clinics located inside the facility) and the VA, which I work for. Parking is always a crunch, and there are 5 parking lots that surround the hospital. There is an "Employee Only" lot that is significantly further from the building, and my office, than another couple of lots, which are designated for visitors. Both have ADA parking spaces, though not enough, of course. Recently, the facilities management department stationed personnel out in the visitor lots in the morning, for the purpose of redirecting staff members to move their cars to the employee lot. While this would normally be fine, I have a problem with it. I have ADA parking plates that say I can park in any ADA designated parking place. I CHOOSE to park my truck in the lot, which just so happens to be a "visitor" lot because it is closer to my office. I have 2 (totally) titanium knees and, although I do walk a lot with my job, by the time I get off of a 12 hour shift, I'm fighting pain. Parking in the employee lot would mean that I'd have to walk across the hospital and then out to a back parking lot, which does have ADA parking spaces, but it's significantly farther for me to have to walk. That's why I park in the visitor lot ADA spaces.

One of these facility management guys stood and argued with me one morning, even after I explained why I needed to park where I do. Oh, and there is a lady I know who works in the hospital IT office. She rides an electric scooter and has an O2 tank. They badgered her, too, about how she needed to park in the employee lot. There's only about 6 ADA spaces in that employee lot and lots of times, I see visitors taking those spaces because they are more convenient to the Air Force outpatient clinics. Why, WHY do they hassle folks?? Why not just let differently abled folks just park where they need to park (in legally designated ADA parking places), as long as we have ADA plates/placards?? I may look like I can walk okay, but no one can judge how much pain I'm in when I do it. It just pisses me the hell off when someone looks at me and says, "Well, you look okay. It's looks like you can <insert activity here>." :|

Jeesh.....your tax dollars hard at work, folks!!! :|

~Theo~ :bouquet:.....who is counting down the last 5 years until retirement!!! :D

[COLOR="Navy"]I get the you look OK thing quite often. Sometimes, if I am going to be at a place for a long period of time and know that I am going into a pain/inflammation cycle, I will park in a handicapped space with my placard. Sometimes, when iIfloating disability, as it floats from being conspicious to me looking completely able-bodied.

I have overheard statements to the effect that I look fine why do I have a handicapped placard....

When I know I am OK and most likely I am not going to have problems, I don't use my placard and park elsewhere. The reason is that at that particular time, I might be taking a space that someone else needs more than me. I also try not to use the van acessible spaces at all. I don't need those and have certainlt seen other people that do struggling with getting their chairs out of their vans in regilar handicapped spaces. There arn't enough handicapped spaces overall.

LOL... I took action into my own hands when for about the 5th time, the same car with the same able-bodied teens (no placard/plates) was in a space outside of a local store I go to. I was in pain and had it!

I parked my truck behind their car, blocking them. I called the police on my cell, went and did what I was going to do and then just waited for the cops to arrive, then filled out the complaint. They got a ticket for $285 and now in CA that has gone up. Pissed they were... but I have never had this problem again at that business. I have walked up to people getting out of cars in handicapped spaces not showing a placard or decal on the plates and asked them if they have a placard. They move, if they don't and thank me if they just happened to forget to put their placard on the dash/window.

Oh, and I remember having people make comments about how I was too young to have arthritis...Tell that to all of the kids with various forms of childhood arthritis, including RA./COLOR]

[Corkey]

Unfortunately, employers can and do fire for no cause. If you live in a state that has this very unfair right to work law one is basically screwed. It means that employers can fire someone for cause, what that cause is, is up for interpretation.

[Corkey]

I get the you look OK thing quite often. Sometimes, if I am going to be at a place for a long period of time and know that I am going into a pain/inflammation cycle, I will park in a handicapped space with my placard. Sometimes, when iIfloating disability, as it floats from being conspicious to me looking completely able-bodied.

I have overheard statements to the effect that I look fine why do I have a handicapped placard....

When I know I am OK and most likely I am not going to have problems, I don't use my placard and park elsewhere. The reason is that at that particular time, I might be taking a space that someone else needs more than me. I also try not to use the van acessible spaces at all. I don't need those and have certainlt seen other people that do struggling with getting their chairs out of their vans in regilar handicapped spaces. There arn't enough handicapped spaces overall.

LOL... I nce took action into my own hands when for about the 5th time, the same car with the same able-bodied teens (no placard/plates) was in a space outside of a local store I go to. I was in pain and had it!

I parked my truck behind their car, blocking them. I called the police on my cell, went and did what I was going to do and then just waited for the cops to arrive, then filled out the complaint. They got a ticket for $285 and now in CA that has gone up. Pissed they were... but I have never had this problem again at that business. I have walked up to people getting out of cars in handicapped spaces not showing a placard or decal on the plates and asked them if they have a placard. They move, if they don't and thank me if they just happened to forget to put their placard on the dfash/window.


I always get the looks from the old folks, but as far as I know being old isn't a disability.

[Rockinonahigh]

Yep im still doing the best I can to find a job.Today I put out two resumes' and filled out one job app,one place didnt open till 4:00pm..its a local supper club thats been hear forever but the guard at the gate took my resume and said he would see they got it and to call to make shure, the other one is a place called the dinner station wich is a small operation that fixes meals to go.Who knows what will happen but I will keep on keeping on..One thing I did was when I went to the dinner station I spoke to the boss and owner and we had a talk about my disablities and what I could do and not do,she didnt bat an eye when she gave me the app and told me to return it and that she would read my resume'.some would say not to tell them but I feel honesty is the best police cause there isnt any hideing this for long.

[Gemme]

Unfortunately, employers can and do fire for no cause. If you live in a state that has this very unfair right to work law one is basically screwed. It means that employers can fire someone for cause, what that cause is, is up for interpretation.


For some, this is very, very true. Here, though, an employer must have several pieces of documentation (signed by all parties) showing that the employee was repeatedly warned/reprimanded/disciplined/etc before they can legally take that next step.

[Andrew, Jr.]

Your employer can write you up, but you do not have to sign anything as an employee. It is a he said/she said kind of thing. It really boils down to the law. If they want you out, they will find a way. Now that Obama is in the WH, we will all see if this law is finally ended for good.

Where I worked, I had a male supervisor, who took his hand and literally ran it thru my hair calling me butch and spike. And this guy was the VP of Risk Management. Go figure. Anyway, when I was demoted, fired, whatever you want to call it, I took them to the unemployment office court. I won at every single level. When it reached the point where they had to pay $5K for their insurance carrier to give them legal representation in court (I am not sure of what it's called) they paid up thinking I would back down. Oh hell no. :farmshotgun: I won. :rockband::dance2:

[AtLast]

For those that don't know, I work for a hotel. This hotel has been here for almost 50 years, changing hands along the way a few times, and after all this time they still do not have the proper access for those on wheels or using canes and walkers. I mean, there have been some renovations done but the HA door to the lobby is.....well, not. Two entrances. One has a slight ramp leading into the back of our lobby area. This, the official HA door, is usually locked. :blink:

I know.

Sometimes during the day, it's open but it's always locked after dark. The other entrance has a fairly heavy door and there's no automatic door button for that one. I've suggested it; asked for it...but all the owners see (past and present) is the bottom line. What they don't see is a potential lawsuit and how much that would cost in the end not to mention that I just feel damn BAD when I see someone struggling with it. I get upset and annoyed FOR the guest because it should BE there already for them to use.

Honestly, I am genuinely surprised that we've passed inspections with a major brand with the layout like this. It really makes me wonder.



Probably some kind of loophole having to do with when the original structure was built. Also, some goofy way of getting around the HC codes with what is existing. And you are so right with the bottom line! Most likely, people that need these accommodations just go to other hotels that suit their needs better and never make any reports/complaints. Also, my guess is that there are no differently baled employees or maybe ones that do not have mobility issues like some folks do.. the degree factor. No doubt, renovations for existing structure to make them accessible is expensive, but with some direct advertising to disability organizations, a pretty lucrative population can begin using that hotel! Every differently baled person I know always checks this out prior to travel. When I ask my friend with CP to do something with me, I find out about access of the place where an event etc. is being held before asking her. Now, I know a lot of places that she can either go to or not. My disabilities are not the same as hers, so I don't assume she can go to a certain location. Its all about awareness and sensitivity.

Something that has occurred to me too, is that many business owners, etc. assume that there are so few differently baled people that doing the HC renovations isn't worth it. But, this is really problematic as the reason that so many differently baled people become more home-bound or don't travel has to do with lack of access to begin with. I think businesses owners are missing out on a good stream of patrons with this thinking as well as just not giving a flying hooray.

Here, I have really been impressed with organizations like the B-F Socials taking access into consideration when they plan events and rent facilities. This is a more urban setting with good public transportation (with access) and an area that is politically conscious about such things. I know not everywhere is like this.

I am trying to design a ramp for my front porch entrance at my home so my friend can just zoom her chair into the house. She can get here via para-transit with her chair/scooter, but had to use her canes to get in the house. I bought my house knowing that future changes would have to be made for myself. Needed a one story, close to rapid transit and services. I knew that the work would be more expensive depending on some things like slope and number of stairs. So, I kept these things in mind when looking at houses. I know that when I need to remodel my kitchen and bath, I will have cabinets installed that are easier for me to reach and a shower without a tub to climb into. Actually, as someone mentioned, we are all just a breath away from becoming differently baled and we are going to age which can bring on some mobility issues. My late partner developed Parkinson’s and this was also part of the equation in buying my home as eventually, things would have to be renovated so that she could have easier access.

Nutty things happen. When my rheumatologist was moved to a new building within the medical center she is part of it was in a building on a hill in SF!!! There is a very unreliable cart service that patients have to include up to an extra hour or more for their visits in order to get a ride up the damn hill! My doc was incensed, but they also moved the cardiac )including heart transplant patients) docs there too! It is insane and in a medical group attached to a major teaching hospital!

[Gemme]

Your employer can write you up, but you do not have to sign anything as an employee. It is a he said/she said kind of thing. It really boils down to the law. If they want you out, they will find a way. Now that Obama is in the WH, we will all see if this law is finally ended for good.


Andrew, each state handles these things differently. I've been involved in firing someone that really, really had to go (it was poor workmanship, not abilities, and us losing revenue because of her that was the deciding factor) and it took us months before we could get the proper paperwork filled out and everything documented in accordance with the law and, yes, she had to sign every write up along the way. The laws do vary widely across the U.S.


Probably some kind of loophole having to do with when the original structure was built. Also, some goofy way of getting around the HC codes with what is existing. And you are so right with the bottom line! Most likely, people that need these accommodations just go to other hotels that suit their needs better and never make any reports/complaints. Also, my guess is that there are no differently baled employees or maybe ones that do not have mobility issues like some folks do.. the degree factor. No doubt, renovations for existing structure to make them accessible is expensive, but with some direct advertising to disability organizations, a pretty lucrative population can begin using that hotel! Every differently baled person I know always checks this out prior to travel. When I ask my friend with CP to do something with me, I find out about access of the place where an event etc. is being held before asking her. Now, I know a lot of places that she can either go to or not. My disabilities are not the same as hers, so I don't assume she can go to a certain location. Its all about awareness and sensitivity.


The hotel has been here for almost 50 years, so I am sure there is some sort of grandfather clause for certain things. I am still very frustrated with them because they see that it can be an issue for some folks, but they just aren't connecting the dots yet and doing something about it.

[Andrew, Jr.]

The invisible disabilities are the ones that society, and the general public tend to ignore. If you can't see it, then it isn't there kind of attitude. Growing up in the 60's it was the same. If you can't see it, it is not there. Kids were just passed along to get them out of their classroom. That is what happened to me. It didn't matter if I understood the work or not. It didn't matter if I did the homework or not. Nothing mattered. I didn't matter. I was taking up space. That is how I see it. And that is how it felt to me to grow up with learning disabilities, and neurological disorders. I was given a label, and judged. Nobody took the time to find out what the problem was. Not a soul. What is inside my mind rarely comes to light. Now, I have to say the computer is a gift. It is my only link to most people. That is why when my father felt safe abusing me, he thought that his evil deeds would be sealed forever. No. I exposed him for what he was. The damage is done, and the trauma is overwith. Life goes on.

[AtLast]

The invisible disabilities are the ones that society, and the general public tend to ignore. If you can't see it, then it isn't there kind of attitude. Growing up in the 60's it was the same. If you can't see it, it is not there. Kids were just passed along to get them out of their classroom. That is what happened to me. It didn't matter if I understood the work or not. It didn't matter if I did the homework or not. Nothing mattered. I didn't matter. I was taking up space. That is how I see it. And that is how it felt to me to grow up with learning disabilities, and neurological disorders. I was given a label, and judged. Nobody took the time to find out what the problem was. Not a soul. What is inside my mind rarely comes to light. Now, I have to say the computer is a gift. It is my only link to most people. That is why when my father felt safe abusing me, he thought that his evil deeds would be sealed forever. No. I exposed him for what he was. The damage is done, and the trauma is overwith. Life goes on.




Andrew, thank you. Invisible disabilities are so misunderstood and marginalized. Your description of how the school system failed you is the story of so many people that go on for years not knowing what the hell is wrong. And getting any help. Anything neurological and in the learning disabilities areas remains cruelly neglected.

What you bring up about people not recognizing how someone could be differently-abled just because there is no outward physical indication happens continually and causes a lot of pain.

When I saw the thread here about neuro-diversity, I was so jazzed because I saw people empowering themselves by saying we are here, and if you want to understand us.... here it is...

[AtLast]

If anyone has any insights into dating and dealing with having a disability.. please post!

I re-entered dating not only as an older butch, but with my arthritis now resulting in different limitations concerning chronic pain. I am finding this too really be a factor in my selection of who I ask out. The major shift is about once being a very physically active woman and enjoying sharing this with a partner/person I am seeing and now just not being able to. And my disabilities are not always visible. Its like I present as this athletic-bodied person and know I have to be honest about how and what I really can do. Often, the person I am wanting to date (or am dating) can't deal with this discrepancy... or, just can't belive it.

It can be very telling when I initially meet someone in a fairly pain-free state without a lot of stiffness or the fevers, fatigue, puffiness, flu-like symptoms of RA and when the osterarthritis is being nice to me- then see them while not moving so well! It is obvious that the possible attraction lights are in fade mode.

I know there is still some self-denial going on, yet listening to my pain/body is essential for my well-being. But, I find myself struggling with this along with all the other dating stuff that comes up. JeepSakes, as if it isn't difficult as it is!

[Andrew, Jr.]

AtLastHome,

Be honest, and open with your date. Tell her that you are stiff, and hurting, and not up for a game of tennis or golf. How about going to a movie instead? Communication is key. Be positive. Take your meds. Maintain a healthy diet. Stress and worries add years onto your life and how you feel. Don't make mountains out of ant hills. You know what I mean?

I just struggle with oral communication. Words tangle me up. Sometimes it is best to just hold hands and snuggle or to go out on a picnic overlooking water or a stream.

I wish you luck!

[AtLast]

Able-bodied privilege checklist:

This list is based on Peggy McIntosh’s article on white privilege. These dynamics are but a few examples of the privilege which able-bodied people have.

On a daily basis as an able-bodied person…

1. I can easily arrange to be in the company of people of my physical ability.

NO


2. If I need to move, I can easily be assured of purchasing housing I can get access to easily - accessibility is one thing I do not need to make a special point of looking for.

NO


3. I can be assured that my entire neighborhood will be accessible to me.

NO NO NO


4. I can assume that I can go shopping alone, and they will always have appropriate accommodations to make this experience hassle-free.

HELL NO


5. I can turn on the television or open a newspaper and see people of my physical ability represented.

NOPE


6. When I learned about history, people of my physical ability were well represented.

NON-EXISTENT


7. I was given curricular material which showed people like me as a role model.

NO


8. I can be assured that assumptions about my mental capabilities will not be made based on my physical status.

OH HELL NO


9. I can swear, dress sloppily, or even be in a bad mood without people attributing it to my physical disability.

NOPE


10. I can do well in challenging situations very often without being told what an inspiration I must be to other able-bodied people.

THAT KIND OF PANDERING MAKES ME BARF


11. I have been asked to speak for all physically challenged people.

UH NO, BUT I HAVE PIPED UP TO ADVOCATE FOR MYSELF AND OTHERS


12. Almost always, when asking to speak to the person in charge, will find someone of the same physical status.

NO, AND VERY UNLIKELY TO EVER FIND THAT


13. I can buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, children’s magazines featuring people of the same physical status.

HAHA NOT IN THIS SPHERE


14. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having someone suspect I got my job because of my disability.

I COULDN'T EVEN GET AN INTERVIEW, LET ALONE A JOB


15. If I am fired, not given a raise, or not hired, I do not have to question whether it had anything to do with my appearing physically incompetent..

DOES NOT APPLY

Addition:

I can be assured that assumptions about my sexuality and sexual needs and desires as well will not be made based on my physical status.

NO, IT IS ASSUMED I HAVE NO SEXUALITY, NO SEXUAL NEEDS, NO DESIRES, AND NEVER WILL.

[SuperFemme]

Able-bodied privilege checklist:


1. I can easily arrange to be in the company of people of my physical ability.

Sometimes. It's getting better.

2. If I need to move, I can easily be assured of purchasing housing I can get access to easily - accessibility is one thing I do not need to make a special point of looking for.

Yes.


3. I can be assured that my entire neighborhood will be accessible to me.

Yes.


4. I can assume that I can go shopping alone, and they will always have appropriate accommodations to make this experience hassle-free.

Not always, but often.


5. I can turn on the television or open a newspaper and see people of my physical ability represented.

Yes, though not as much as I'd like.


6. When I learned about history, people of my physical ability were well represented.

It's hard to say.


7. I was given curricular material which showed people like me as a role model.

Yes.


8. I can be assured that assumptions about my mental capabilities will not be made based on my physical status.

It's actually the opposite, unless I need a wheelchair.


9. I can swear, dress sloppily, or even be in a bad mood without people attributing it to my physical disability.

Yes, then they make classist assumptions.


10. I can do well in challenging situations very often without being told what an inspiration I must be to other able-bodied people.

Yes.


11. I have been asked to speak for all physically challenged people.

No.


12. Almost always, when asking to speak to the person in charge, will find someone of the same physical status.

Again, unless I am in my wheel chair, no. But sometimes they do seek out a man.


13. I can buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, children’s magazines featuring people of the same physical status.

Yes, but it's a niche market.


14. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having someone suspect I got my job because of my disability.

I've not tried.


15. If I am fired, not given a raise, or not hired, I do not have to question whether it had anything to do with my appearing physically incompetent..

I resigned because my different ability was a liability to my company.

Addition:

I can be assured that assumptions about my sexuality and sexual needs and desires as well will not be made based on my physical status.

Honestly? It's not come up as I am pretty up front about everything erasing the need for assumption.

ETA: The HUGE problem I have with the substitution of race for disability in this checklist is that many many disabilities are invisible. These questions seem geared to a population that has highly visible disabilities and/or mobility issues. Which is important of course, but what of those of us who are disabled AND invisible?

Let us look at THOSE as well.

Autoimmune disabilities



Scleroderma
Rheumatoid arthritis
Crohn's disease
Primary immunodeficiency
Lupus
Sjögren's syndrome
Interstitial cystitis

Chronic pain disabilities



Fibromyalgia
Injuries
Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy
Arachnoiditis
Temporomandibular joint disorder

Dietary disabilities



Coeliac Disease
Diabetes
Fructose malabsorption
Hypoglycemia
Inflammatory bowel disease
Metabolic syndrome
Lactose Intolerance
Lactulose Intolerance
Hereditary Fructose Intolerance
Irritable Bowel Syndrome
Food allergies (the most common are peanut, milk, egg, tree nut, fish, shellfish, soy, and wheat)
Ulcerative Colitis

Neurological disabilities



Multiple Sclerosis
Transverse Myelitis
Lyme Disease
Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease
Hyperhidrosis
ADHD
Autism
Asperger syndrome
Epilepsy
Circadian rhythm sleep disorders
Intracranial hypertension
Fibromyalgia
Brain Injury
Dyslexia, dyscalcula, and other specific learning disabilities

Psychiatric disabilities

People with psychiatric disabilities make up a large segment of the invisibly-disabled population covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. Examples include:


Major depression
Bipolar disorder
Anxiety disorders
Schizophrenia
Personality disorders (when discussing mental impairments)

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Able-bodied privilege checklist:


Honestly? It's not come up as I am pretty up front about everything erasing the need for assumption.

ETA: The HUGE problem I have with the substitution of race for disability in this checklist is that many many disabilities are invisible. These questions seem geared to a population that has highly visible disabilities and/or mobility issues. Which is important of course, but what of those of us who are disabled AND invisible?

Let us look at THOSE as well.

Autoimmune disabilities



Scleroderma
Rheumatoid arthritis
Crohn's disease
Primary immunodeficiency
Lupus
Sjögren's syndrome
Interstitial cystitis

Chronic pain disabilities



Fibromyalgia
Injuries
Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy
Arachnoiditis
Temporomandibular joint disorder

Dietary disabilities



Coeliac Disease
Diabetes
Fructose malabsorption
Hypoglycemia
Inflammatory bowel disease
Metabolic syndrome
Lactose Intolerance
Lactulose Intolerance
Hereditary Fructose Intolerance
Irritable Bowel Syndrome
Food allergies (the most common are peanut, milk, egg, tree nut, fish, shellfish, soy, and wheat)
Ulcerative Colitis

Neurological disabilities



Multiple Sclerosis
Transverse Myelitis
Lyme Disease
Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease
Hyperhidrosis
ADHD
Autism
Asperger syndrome
Epilepsy
Circadian rhythm sleep disorders
Intracranial hypertension
Fibromyalgia
Brain Injury
Dyslexia, dyscalcula, and other specific learning disabilities

Psychiatric disabilities

People with psychiatric disabilities make up a large segment of the invisibly-disabled population covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. Examples include:


Major depression
Bipolar disorder
Anxiety disorders
Schizophrenia
Personality disorders (when discussing mental impairments)




My bad..... you are absolutely correct! Although, this checklist is useful to just get people talking.

Growing up with a schizophrenic sister and the cruel, ignorant assumptions people made about her should have brought me to this earlier! It certainly gave me a different take on the world. Also contributed to my professional choices. There is also a great Neurodiversity thread on the Planet...

Last years Butch Voices Conference also had a panel discussion that brought to the forefront some butch-specific struggles with disability that was interesting. Wonder if this will get covered at the Femme Conference this year?