Schooling Generations in American Exceptionalism

[UofMfan]

I read this article from truthout earlier today and it has had me thinking ever since.

Since I have a unique perspective on this, or I least I think I do, I would like to read the opinions of others. I will share mine later.

Schooling Generations in American Exceptionalism
Tuesday 20 April 2010

by: Dallas Darling, t r u t h o u t | News Analysis


"One of the most important aspects of citizenship is to acquire the concept of American Exceptionalism, or the idea that the 'United States' and its people differ from other nations ..."(1) It was with these words and this concept: American exceptionalism, that objective five (citizenship requirements) of Texas' social studies curriculum was revised. And if the ultraconservative Texas State Board of Education Review Committee has their way, which consists mostly of wealthy politicians and prominent business leaders, teaching American exceptionalism to millions of students might just accomplish George Orwell's 1946 axiom: "From the totalitarian point of view, history is something to be created rather than learned."

While much has been written about Texas' new social studies curriculum that will be taught to future generations, little has been written about internalizing the values of and the ideas surrounding, American exceptionalism. Since exceptionalism refers to showing outstanding achievements or displaying superior intelligence, character, strength and extraordinary talent, then the new curriculum teeters on a perilous doctrine of ultranationalism. It also embraces a kind of global social Darwinism and eugenics program, namely Ameri-centrism - a view emphasizing that the United States is more superior than other nations and peoples, along with its values, culture, government, language, politics and lifestyle.

In fact, the second part of the new social studies curriculum states, "The student will describe how 'United States' citizens have different states of mind, different surroundings and different political cultures than other nations ..."(2) It will also highlight the "American Dream" and the sense of "destiny," so that "'these dead shall not have died in vain,'" and that the United States is a "'nation under God.'"(3) In other words, future generations will be taught that the accumulation of wealth and living a better lifestyle - which usually entails conspicuous and overconsumption at the expense of natural resources - are the main goals to citizenship. The students will also learn that wars and military interventions around the world have been designed by God and, therefore, one's highest calling is military duty.

In "Empires of the Word, a Language History of the World," Nicholas Ostler wrote that our language places us in a cultural continuum, linking us to the past and showing our meanings also to future fellow speakers. He believes that far more than princes, states or economies, it is language - communities which are the real players in world history, especially since words are powerful tools which convey symbols and imagery that provide one with a sense of communal and national identity. By their nature, words and their meanings, like American exceptionalism, define individuals, the community, the state and a nation. They promote and produce narratives, or worldviews and frames of reference, that are acted upon and ultimately lived.

One hundred years ago, President Theodore Roosevelt, who wanted to civilize the world according to American standards, instituted the Roosevelt Corollary. It fused Puritanism and its city on a hill with the Monroe Doctrine, westward expansion, manifest destiny and industrial imperialism. The Roosevelt Corollary stated: "in flagrant cases of such wrongdoing or impotence," which would be defined by the United States, of course, the United States would be forced to "exercise international police powers."(4) Woodrow Wilson reinvented this notion during World War I, so as to "making the world safe for democracy," as did President George W. Bush who fought pre-emptive wars that have killed hundreds of thousands of people and left millions of refugees. In like manner, will schooling generations in American exceptionalism mean another century of perpetual warfare and military interventions around the globe?

A final vote in May will approve the new social studies curriculum for the state of Texas. With ten Republicans and only five Democrats on the board, it appears the new standards, including American exceptionalism, will be approved. However, there is still time to write and contact the Texas State Board of Education.

Does teaching American exceptionalism mean other nations are not and, if so, should the United States attempt to militarily change them as it has in the past? Also, what about some teachers who demythologize American exceptionalism and teach how the United States committed genocide and crimes against peace, humanity and even natural and civil rights?

Still, what is the meaning of learning and the purpose of education? Do schools exist to develop critical thinkers and productive and active global citizens, or do they exist for the purpose of preprogramming unquestioning civilians and obedient and passive consumers, including packaged wars? Historian Howard Zinn believed knowing history was less about understanding the past than changing the future. In regards to the forced Indian removal policies and genocides, the Sand Creek and Wounded Knee massacres, the Luzons, the Dresdens, the Hiroshimas, the No Gun Ris, the My Lais, the IR655's, the Maryknoll nuns' and Jesuit priests' murders, the Guatemalan mass graves, the Sinuas, the Basras, the Abu Graibs, the Bagrams, the Hadithas, the Al-Mahmudiyahs, the Fallujahs and the Gardezs - can the United States afford to school more generations in American exceptionalism?

(Note: The new social studies curriculum will also stress the pre-eminence of American capitalism - as it always has - and will put a more ultraconservative stamp on history. It will eliminate many contributions by Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians, progressives and socialists, while positively portraying Reaganism and Reaganomics, the moral majority and the National Rifle Association. The New Deal, affirmative action and Great Society programs will be taught from a more critical and negative view, as will multiculturalism. A future article, entitled "Schooling Generations in American De-Exceptionalism," will argue for teaching a more balanced view of American history.)

[Apocalipstic]

My thought is that what is being proposed is pretty much what I was taught in school while in the US. Jingoistic fervor. Other countries have it too.

I have always thought Nationalism is dangerous and arrogant and had hoped that by now we as a nation would be better than this.

The only good side I can see is that kids today have Libraries and the Internet and hopefully will learn to think for themselves like we did. :)

[UofMfan]

My thought is that what is being proposed is pretty much what I was taught in school while in the US. Jingoistic fervor. Other countries have it too.

I have always thought Nationalism is dangerous and arrogant and had hoped that by now we as a nation would be better than this.

The only good side I can see is that kids today have Libraries and the Internet and hopefully will learn to think for themselves like we did. :)

I agree, but with a new twist. I also went to public schools in the States and was subjected to some of this. But isn't this the same thing we (North Americans) criticized of Communist countries?

[Apocalipstic]

I agree, but with a new twist. I also went to public schools in the States and was subjected to some of this. But isn't this the same thing we (North Americans) criticized of Communist countries?


Oh I agree, it is very definitely hypocritical!!! But for me, it seems like more of the same.

I only went to High School in the US, back in the 77-81 and the changes they want to make hearken back to 30 years ago, like we leaned nothing from Communism and the World Wars.

I was an odd little kid who kept up with politics from as early as I can remember. I grew up with the US overthrowing governments, lying and doing all sorts of covert things...all the while pointing the finger at everyone else.....this is nothing new to me.

I just hope that like us, kids will question and research and try to find out what the truth really is.

ps. not sure how old you are, we might be the same age and I am just more bitter? I grew up in Argentina and saw the US in full hypocrisy early on.

[Martina]

i think this is the bane of American Culture, and i hate the Texas board with my whole heart. However, i can't comment on it now. Deadlines. Great post. i will get back.

[UofMfan]

Oh I agree, it is very definitely hypocritical!!! But for me, it seems like more of the same.

I only went to High School in the US, back in the 77-81 and the changes they want to make hearken back to 30 years ago, like we leaned nothing from Communism and the World Wars.

I was an odd little kid who kept up with politics from as early as I can remember. I grew up with the US overthrowing governments, lying and doing all sorts of covert things...all the while pointing the finger at everyone else.....this is nothing new to me.

I just hope that like us, kids will question and research and try to find out what the truth really is.

ps. not sure how old you are, we might be the same age and I am just more bitter? I grew up in Argentina and saw the US in full hypocrisy early on.

We might be very close in age. I went to school in the US from 75 to 81 then on to college and beyond.

I also always questioned. The whole central American mess is still very fresh in my mind.

Interestingly enough, it is not until now, that I have been back in my country, that I have seen the hypocrisy with clearer and different eyes.

What worries me abut this time around is that Texas is not only pushing exceptionalism, they are re-writing history to fit their agenda.

I like you, hope that those kids question this, but judging from what I came across in the US school system, I am afraid most will just follow, like sheep to the slaughterhouse.

[UofMfan]

i think this is the bane of American Culture, and i hate the Texas board with my whole heart. However, i can't comment on it now. Deadlines. Great post. i will get back.

I look forward to your comments.

[Hack]

I am, by no means, worldly. I grew up in a small American town with small town values of being polite, helping out those in need and God, apple pie and all that.

However, I've spent a little time in Western Europe. I felt humbled to be there, most of the time, because they obviously do some things better than we do (gay rights, health care, environment, public transit, sustainability, urban planning to an extent). And what interested me is the perceptions that some people I encountered had about me as an American. The most common misconception was that I must be wealthy if I was traveling in Europe. Truth is, I have what I consider a solid middle class lifestyle. I was fortunate to have someone to stay with while there, thus avoiding lodging costs. Yet, because I dressed well, spent money, and purchased meals out a lot, I was viewed as wealthy. I had to ask, "By whose standard?" It was interesting the responses I received.

Western Europeans are not all that enamored of the States and Americans. They think we are self-centered, arrogant and loud. They think we eat too much, work too much and don't play well with others. Many people I interacted with there had not been to the States, and it scared me they were basing their perceptions on American TV programs (everything from soaps to "Married With Children") or American films. Most of the Europeans I met considered themselves better traveled (I'd argue it's easier to do there than in America), more cultured and more civilized. I would agree that perhaps our view of the world rarely ventures out beyond our borders. I would agree that as a middle class American, it seems I am conditioned to spend money -- afterall, it is people like me who make the world economy go around. However, I took great exception to being lumped in with every other American. I would say Americans are such a diverse people and our differences don't cause as much consternation as some of the things going on politically in Western Europe with the "native Europeans" and the recent Muslim immigrants.

All that said, I think for any culture to teach exceptionalism certainly smacks of elitism. I felt no better than any European I encountered. I think it's wrong for us to think so...even if our supermarkets dwarf their grocery markets; and we have 12 varieties of Oreos to choose from when they only have the regular kind; and we pick up our dog poop and they do not.

Jake

[Apocalipstic]

I am, by no means, worldly. I grew up in a small American town with small town values of being polite, helping out those in need and God, apple pie and all that.

However, I've spent a little time in Western Europe. I felt humbled to be there, most of the time, because they obviously do some things better than we do (gay rights, health care, environment, public transit, sustainability, urban planning to an extent). And what interested me is the perceptions that some people I encountered had about me as an American. The most common misconception was that I must be wealthy if I was traveling in Europe. Truth is, I have what I consider a solid middle class lifestyle. I was fortunate to have someone to stay with while there, thus avoiding lodging costs. Yet, because I dressed well, spent money, and purchased meals out a lot, I was viewed as wealthy. I had to ask, "By whose standard?" It was interesting the responses I received.

Western Europeans are not all that enamored of the States and Americans. They think we are self-centered, arrogant and loud. They think we eat too much, work too much and don't play well with others. Many people I interacted with there had not been to the States, and it scared me they were basing their perceptions on American TV programs (everything from soaps to "Married With Children") or American films. Most of the Europeans I met considered themselves better traveled (I'd argue it's easier to do there than in America), more cultured and more civilized. I would agree that perhaps our view of the world rarely ventures out beyond our borders. I would agree that as a middle class American, it seems I am conditioned to spend money -- afterall, it is people like me who make the world economy go around. However, I took great exception to being lumped in with every other American. I would say Americans are such a diverse people and our differences don't cause as much consternation as some of the things going on politically in Western Europe with the "native Europeans" and the recent Muslim immigrants.

All that said, I think for any culture to teach exceptionalism certainly smacks of elitism. I felt no better than any European I encountered. I think it's wrong for us to think so...even if our supermarkets dwarf their grocery markets; and we have 12 varieties of Oreos to choose from when they only have the regular kind; and we pick up our dog poop and they do not.

Jake


They do pick up dog poop in London! :) and yes, it is easy to visit a ton of other countries when they are 2 hours away.

I agree with the rest except one point! They do think we are arrogant and we are. We are taught that we are better than everyone else, but so are the Japanese, the Chinese, the Argentines and a lot of other countries.

I think it is dangerous that we are so arrogant that we assume that the rest of the world finds us superior. They don't. I always end up apologizing a lot or pretending not to be from the US when I travel.

The point I do not agree with is the one where we handle our diversity better. I don't see it. Not with the militias building up, the views on recent immigrants, the mess New Orleans still is in and the blatant racism. Yes, those things go on in Europe too, but I don't see us being better at it. (I could however, be watching too much news and reading too much Mother Jones :))

[UofMfan]

I am, by no means, worldly. I grew up in a small American town with small town values of being polite, helping out those in need and God, apple pie and all that.

However, I've spent a little time in Western Europe. I felt humbled to be there, most of the time, because they obviously do some things better than we do (gay rights, health care, environment, public transit, sustainability, urban planning to an extent). And what interested me is the perceptions that some people I encountered had about me as an American. The most common misconception was that I must be wealthy if I was traveling in Europe. Truth is, I have what I consider a solid middle class lifestyle. I was fortunate to have someone to stay with while there, thus avoiding lodging costs. Yet, because I dressed well, spent money, and purchased meals out a lot, I was viewed as wealthy. I had to ask, "By whose standard?" It was interesting the responses I received.

Western Europeans are not all that enamored of the States and Americans. They think we are self-centered, arrogant and loud. They think we eat too much, work too much and don't play well with others. Many people I interacted with there had not been to the States, and it scared me they were basing their perceptions on American TV programs (everything from soaps to "Married With Children") or American films. Most of the Europeans I met considered themselves better traveled (I'd argue it's easier to do there than in America), more cultured and more civilized. I would agree that perhaps our view of the world rarely ventures out beyond our borders. I would agree that as a middle class American, it seems I am conditioned to spend money -- afterall, it is people like me who make the world economy go around. However, I took great exception to being lumped in with every other American. I would say Americans are such a diverse people and our differences don't cause as much consternation as some of the things going on politically in Western Europe with the "native Europeans" and the recent Muslim immigrants.

All that said, I think for any culture to teach exceptionalism certainly smacks of elitism. I felt no better than any European I encountered. I think it's wrong for us to think so...even if our supermarkets dwarf their grocery markets; and we have 12 varieties of Oreos to choose from when they only have the regular kind; and we pick up our dog poop and they do not.

Jake

I get that you don't want to be lumped in with every other American, I am guilty of that sometimes even though I hate it to be done to me.

I find that most US citizens that have traveled abroad (and I don't mean Cancun) have a better sense of how they are viewed by the rest of the world.

Having said that, most of what I have encountered, regarding how people from other countries view those form the US, has come not from TV or films, but from what the US has done with its image abroad.

Even in your post, and I say this for the sake of discussion, you mention this: "afterall, it is people like me who make the world economy go around." That in itself is a perfect example of how many US citizens feel. This is not true, the world economy is fueled by so many other countries, not just one country or one class. Perhaps back during the industrial revolution this was true, but it isn't the case anymore.

By the way, we pick up our dog poop here too, but we are greatly lacking in the cookie variety.

Thanks for your post.

[Hack]

I get that you don't want to be lumped in with every other American, I am guilty of that sometimes even though I hate it to be done to me.

I find that most US citizens that have traveled abroad (and I don't mean Cancun) have a better sense of how they are viewed by the rest of the world.

Having said that, most of what I have encountered, regarding how people from other countries view those form the US, has come not from TV or films, but from what the US has done with its image abroad.

Even in your post, and I say this for the sake of discussion, you mention this: "afterall, it is people like me who make the world economy go around." That in itself is a perfect example of how many US citizens feel. This is not true, the world economy is fueled by so many other countries, not just one country or one class. Perhaps back during the industrial revolution this was true, but it isn't the case anymore.

By the way, we pick up our dog poop here too, but we are greatly lacking in the cookie variety.

Thanks for your post.

OK, let me clear up the dog poop reference...in the Netherlands, they DO NOT pick up their dog poop. In fact, my girlfriend there thought it very odd that I would want to pick up after her dog when I was out walking it. And the first time I took her dog out, I discovered NO ONE picks up after their dog there. lol

I think that the last administration (I refuse to call him President Bush because he didn't win fair and square) did a huge amount of damage to our image abroad. Some of the most positive interactions I had with Europeans were about Obama. I had one of the poster-ized Obama tshirts that I wore out a few times while there, and got a lot of nice comments or smiles or friendly looks.

I happened to be in the Netherlands during their Liberation Day observance (as in World War II) last year, and I was always very moved at the mention of all the Allies -- US, Canada, British, etc. -- during the ceremonies and tributes. In fact, while wandering around a small village in Belgium, we went in to a church yard that was surrounded by cemetary. It was amazing to me that the WW II era graves of Canadian and RAF pilots who were shot down during the war were the best tended graves in the place. My girlfriend told me that it is a point of pride for the church, and in fact, the entire community, that they honor the soldiers who fought to liberate Holland and Belgium.

Yet, I get your reference that the US seems to have this need to be the world's policeman, or bully at times. I think there are times when we need to go flash the hardware and show some muscle just to keep the peace, so to speak. But I think when we get mired in situations we shouldn't be in because we are no more than a schoolyard bully, yes, that does hurt us abroad.

And my statement about making the world economy go around wasn't just about me. It was about Americans in general feeling that way. I don't think you can argue that Americans are not the most consumptive people on the planet. That is how we are viewed -- at least that is what my, albeit small, sampling of Europeans told me.

Jake

[Hack]

They do pick up dog poop in London! :) and yes, it is easy to visit a ton of other countries when they are 2 hours away.

I agree with the rest except one point! They do think we are arrogant and we are. We are taught that we are better than everyone else, but so are the Japanese, the Chinese, the Argentines and a lot of other countries.

I think it is dangerous that we are so arrogant that we assume that the rest of the world finds us superior. They don't. I always end up apologizing a lot or pretending not to be from the US when I travel.

The point I do not agree with is the one where we handle our diversity better. I don't see it. Not with the militias building up, the views on recent immigrants, the mess New Orleans still is in and the blatant racism. Yes, those things go on in Europe too, but I don't see us being better at it. (I could however, be watching too much news and reading too much Mother Jones :))

Oh, I am not being Pollyanna about our racism issues. I see it in many forms -- African-Americans, Native Americans, Middle Eastern immigrants, etc. I am fascinated by the political problems in Western Europe, Holland in particular, stemming from their growing intolerance for Muslim immigrants. The most popular politician in Holland right now is a guy named Geert Wilders. He supports things such as, making head scarves and burkas illegal. He supports keeping all Muslims in certain parts of the cities. He is wildly popular with the native Dutch, who are tired, frankly, of paying for the social services for these immigrants. When I was there last May, some crazy guy ran his car through a barricade toward a float type thing carrying the Dutch royal family in a Queen's Day parade. The news media initially reported that the driver was Muslim and that it must be a terrorist attack. The next wave of news reports corrected the situation, saying he was a Dutch man who was known to have mental health issues.

When I would discuss this Geert Wilders guy with my girlfriend, who kind of supported some of his stances, I would say, "But don't you think he sort of sounds like Hitler?" He is zeroing in on just one segment of the population and making them the root of every problem because they are so different religiously, politically, etc. I read a lot about Western European politics, and many countries are having these same issues over there regarding the crush of Muslim immigrants. In Holland in particular, a country that prides itself so much on being a tolerant society, this is really tearing at one of their long-standing values. Fascinating to a political communications "expert" like me.

Jake

[Rufusboi]

I read this article from truthout earlier today and it has had me thinking ever since.

Since I have a unique perspective on this, or I least I think I do, I would like to read the opinions of others. I will share mine later.

Schooling Generations in American Exceptionalism
Tuesday 20 April 2010

by: Dallas Darling, t r u t h o u t | News Analysis


"One of the most important aspects of citizenship is to acquire the concept of American Exceptionalism, or the idea that the 'United States' and its people differ from other nations ..."(1) It was with these words and this concept: American exceptionalism, that objective five (citizenship requirements) of Texas' social studies curriculum was revised. And if the ultraconservative Texas State Board of Education Review Committee has their way, which consists mostly of wealthy politicians and prominent business leaders, teaching American exceptionalism to millions of students might just accomplish George Orwell's 1946 axiom: "From the totalitarian point of view, history is something to be created rather than learned."

While much has been written about Texas' new social studies curriculum that will be taught to future generations, little has been written about internalizing the values of and the ideas surrounding, American exceptionalism. Since exceptionalism refers to showing outstanding achievements or displaying superior intelligence, character, strength and extraordinary talent, then the new curriculum teeters on a perilous doctrine of ultranationalism. It also embraces a kind of global social Darwinism and eugenics program, namely Ameri-centrism - a view emphasizing that the United States is more superior than other nations and peoples, along with its values, culture, government, language, politics and lifestyle.

In fact, the second part of the new social studies curriculum states, "The student will describe how 'United States' citizens have different states of mind, different surroundings and different political cultures than other nations ..."(2) It will also highlight the "American Dream" and the sense of "destiny," so that "'these dead shall not have died in vain,'" and that the United States is a "'nation under God.'"(3) In other words, future generations will be taught that the accumulation of wealth and living a better lifestyle - which usually entails conspicuous and overconsumption at the expense of natural resources - are the main goals to citizenship. The students will also learn that wars and military interventions around the world have been designed by God and, therefore, one's highest calling is military duty.

In "Empires of the Word, a Language History of the World," Nicholas Ostler wrote that our language places us in a cultural continuum, linking us to the past and showing our meanings also to future fellow speakers. He believes that far more than princes, states or economies, it is language - communities which are the real players in world history, especially since words are powerful tools which convey symbols and imagery that provide one with a sense of communal and national identity. By their nature, words and their meanings, like American exceptionalism, define individuals, the community, the state and a nation. They promote and produce narratives, or worldviews and frames of reference, that are acted upon and ultimately lived.

One hundred years ago, President Theodore Roosevelt, who wanted to civilize the world according to American standards, instituted the Roosevelt Corollary. It fused Puritanism and its city on a hill with the Monroe Doctrine, westward expansion, manifest destiny and industrial imperialism. The Roosevelt Corollary stated: "in flagrant cases of such wrongdoing or impotence," which would be defined by the United States, of course, the United States would be forced to "exercise international police powers."(4) Woodrow Wilson reinvented this notion during World War I, so as to "making the world safe for democracy," as did President George W. Bush who fought pre-emptive wars that have killed hundreds of thousands of people and left millions of refugees. In like manner, will schooling generations in American exceptionalism mean another century of perpetual warfare and military interventions around the globe?

A final vote in May will approve the new social studies curriculum for the state of Texas. With ten Republicans and only five Democrats on the board, it appears the new standards, including American exceptionalism, will be approved. However, there is still time to write and contact the Texas State Board of Education.

Does teaching American exceptionalism mean other nations are not and, if so, should the United States attempt to militarily change them as it has in the past? Also, what about some teachers who demythologize American exceptionalism and teach how the United States committed genocide and crimes against peace, humanity and even natural and civil rights?

Still, what is the meaning of learning and the purpose of education? Do schools exist to develop critical thinkers and productive and active global citizens, or do they exist for the purpose of preprogramming unquestioning civilians and obedient and passive consumers, including packaged wars? Historian Howard Zinn believed knowing history was less about understanding the past than changing the future. In regards to the forced Indian removal policies and genocides, the Sand Creek and Wounded Knee massacres, the Luzons, the Dresdens, the Hiroshimas, the No Gun Ris, the My Lais, the IR655's, the Maryknoll nuns' and Jesuit priests' murders, the Guatemalan mass graves, the Sinuas, the Basras, the Abu Graibs, the Bagrams, the Hadithas, the Al-Mahmudiyahs, the Fallujahs and the Gardezs - can the United States afford to school more generations in American exceptionalism?

(Note: The new social studies curriculum will also stress the pre-eminence of American capitalism - as it always has - and will put a more ultraconservative stamp on history. It will eliminate many contributions by Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians, progressives and socialists, while positively portraying Reaganism and Reaganomics, the moral majority and the National Rifle Association. The New Deal, affirmative action and Great Society programs will be taught from a more critical and negative view, as will multiculturalism. A future article, entitled "Schooling Generations in American De-Exceptionalism," will argue for teaching a more balanced view of American history.)




Its a form of brainwashing.

Rufus

[UofMfan]

OK, let me clear up the dog poop reference...in the Netherlands, they DO NOT pick up their dog poop. In fact, my girlfriend there thought it very odd that I would want to pick up after her dog when I was out walking it. And the first time I took her dog out, I discovered NO ONE picks up after their dog there. lol

I think that the last administration (I refuse to call him President Bush because he didn't win fair and square) did a huge amount of damage to our image abroad. Some of the most positive interactions I had with Europeans were about Obama. I had one of the poster-ized Obama tshirts that I wore out a few times while there, and got a lot of nice comments or smiles or friendly looks.

I happened to be in the Netherlands during their Liberation Day observance (as in World War II) last year, and I was always very moved at the mention of all the Allies -- US, Canada, British, etc. -- during the ceremonies and tributes. In fact, while wandering around a small village in Belgium, we went in to a church yard that was surrounded by cemetary. It was amazing to me that the WW II era graves of Canadian and RAF pilots who were shot down during the war were the best tended graves in the place. My girlfriend told me that it is a point of pride for the church, and in fact, the entire community, that they honor the soldiers who fought to liberate Holland and Belgium.

Yet, I get your reference that the US seems to have this need to be the world's policeman, or bully at times. I think there are times when we need to go flash the hardware and show some muscle just to keep the peace, so to speak. But I think when we get mired in situations we shouldn't be in because we are no more than a schoolyard bully, yes, that does hurt us abroad.

And my statement about making the world economy go around wasn't just about me. It was about Americans in general feeling that way. I don't think you can argue that Americans are not the most consumptive people on the planet. That is how we are viewed -- at least that is what my, albeit small, sampling of Europeans told me.

Jake

Yes, Mr. Bush (I also refuse to call him that which he stole) did a lot of damage to the image of US citizens abroad. But we need not go very far back to see that he hasn't been the only one. The US has used its military power to intimidate and set their own agenda on many a country. And if we go back as far as the Iran/Contra affair era, we can see how sometimes it has bitten it back. I am a avid reader of Noam Chomsky because he clearly illustrates this side of the "Empire".

Now don't get me wrong, my heart is split between the US and my country, so I harbor no hard feelings or am coming from a position of resentment. What I have done is taken a step back and look at US foreign policy and see it for what it has been.

Going back to the original article, I think this is where it comes from, from this exceptionalism that is taught early and often.

I am touched by your story about the observance of Liberation day, I think it exemplifies the best the US has to offer. Thank you for sharing that.

As for the dog poop, I think that is gross and must be a cultural thing in the Netherlands.

Us citizens are some of the most consumptive people in the planet, yes, but if we go by the numbers, China has taken the lead both in production and consumption.

I am not a believer that this is a good thing, but then again, I am against any sort of savage capitalism.

I think to me what sticks out about the article and is relevant to what we are taking about here is this:

"Still, what is the meaning of learning and the purpose of education? Do schools exist to develop critical thinkers and productive and active global citizens, or do they exist for the purpose of preprogramming unquestioning civilians and obedient and passive consumers, including packaged wars? Historian Howard Zinn believed knowing history was less about understanding the past than changing the future. In regards to the forced Indian removal policies and genocides, the Sand Creek and Wounded Knee massacres, the Luzons, the Dresdens, the Hiroshimas, the No Gun Ris, the My Lais, the IR655's, the Maryknoll nuns' and Jesuit priests' murders, the Guatemalan mass graves, the Sinuas, the Basras, the Abu Graibs, the Bagrams, the Hadithas, the Al-Mahmudiyahs, the Fallujahs and the Gardezs - can the United States afford to school more generations in American exceptionalism?"

Again, thanks for engaging in this conversation, your opinion illustrates a side that needs to be looked at.

[Apocalipstic]

Loving this thread!

I sometimes wonder if WWII was our last shining moment as a Nation. Jake, your trip sounds amazing! How wonderful to get to see the good side of what the US has done.

UofM, yes, I think teaching exceptional ism, or Nationalism leads to problems. Even on a small scale, thinking one is better than other people is disastrous.

I agree 100% about W. *rant*

When we go back and look at Manifest Destiny, where we are today is no surprise. Though I keep wishing we would somehow be better than that.

I wonder if it is in our nature as humans to be Nationalistic?

[PearlsNLace]

How is this different than nationalism, or ethnocentrism? Is it just a term that is to be more precise? A new spin?

[UofMfan]

How is this different than nationalism, or ethnocentrism? Is it just a term that is to be more precise? A new spin?

PeralsNLace, Nationalism is when you involve your identity with that of a nation/state, and it emphasizes collective identity.

Ethnocentrism, is the belief that one's ethnic group is centrally important, while at the same time judging other groups.

Exceptionalism, as it relates to this article, is specific to the US, where its citizens believe they occupy a special place in the world. It also refers showing outstanding achievements or displaying superior intelligence, character, strength and extraordinary talent. I see it as a lethal combination of the aforementioned with an added twist.

Perhaps yes, it can be viewed as a new spin. Thanks for adding your comments to the thread.

[UofMfan]

Loving this thread!

I sometimes wonder if WWII was our last shining moment as a Nation. Jake, your trip sounds amazing! How wonderful to get to see the good side of what the US has done.

UofM, yes, I think teaching exceptional ism, or Nationalism leads to problems. Even on a small scale, thinking one is better than other people is disastrous.

I agree 100% about W. *rant*

When we go back and look at Manifest Destiny, where we are today is no surprise. Though I keep wishing we would somehow be better than that.

I wonder if it is in our nature as humans to be Nationalistic?

Thank you Apocalipstic, I believe that WWII was probably the Us's last shining moment, sadly.

As to if it is our nature to be Nationalistic? I think you may be on to something. From the very get go we are taught to stay with our "group, "circle", "Posse", "family", and so on., so it is no wonder this is how we turn out.

What makes what the State of Texas is trying to do dangerous, in my view, is to teach children, most of whom have very little parental intervention, that they are better, superior, than other children in the world simply because they are US citizens.

How is this conducive to world peace and better understanding and relations with your neighbors? Aren't we all in the same group, as human beings?

[Apocalipstic]

How is this different than nationalism, or ethnocentrism? Is it just a term that is to be more precise? A new spin?

Great point! I think it has similar results, but in my mind Nationalism would be all US citizens for example pledging allegiance to being exceptional (I find the pledge creepy) rather than an individual Ethnic group feeling superior.

Each is divisive and dangerous in its own way! Agreed!

[Apocalipstic]

PeralsNLace, Nationalism is when you involve your identity with that of a nation/state, and it emphasizes collective identity.

Ethnocentrism, is the belief that one's ethnic group is centrally important, while at the same time judging other groups.

Exceptionalism, as it relates to this article, is specific to the US, where its citizens believe they occupy a special place in the world. It also refers showing outstanding achievements or displaying superior intelligence, character, strength and extraordinary talent. I see it as a lethal combination of the aforementioned with an added twist.

Perhaps yes, it can be viewed as a new spin. Thanks for adding your comments to the thread.


I do think it is important that we remember we are not the only country who pushes for their own exceptionalism though. We are not exceptionally different in preaching being exceptional.....definitely obnoxious though.

[Apocalipstic]

Thank you Apocalipstic, I believe that WWII was probably the Us's last shining moment, sadly.

As to if it is our nature to be Nationalistic? I think you may be on to something. From the very get go we are taught to stay with our "group, "circle", "Posse", "family", and so on., so it is no wonder this is how we turn out.

What makes what the State of Texas is trying to do dangerous, in my view, is to teach children, most of whom have very little parental intervention, that they are better, superior, than other children in the world simply because they are US citizens.

How is this conducive to world peace and better understanding and relations with your neighbors? Aren't we all in the same group, as human beings?

I think it is very dangerous, but I don't think it is that different from what is already being taught.

Does that make sense?

I completely agree with you and dream of a day when at least something taught in US is actually true and good.

I know I am still pretty bitter about the pack of lies I was taught.

[UofMfan]

I do think it is important that we remember we are not the only country who pushes for their own exceptionalism though. We are not exceptionally different in preaching being exceptional.....definitely obnoxious though.

I understand, but I would like to know how many countries have it spelled out in their school curriculum. I for one was not taught that for the few years I went to school here. Maybe it is something worth looking into.

[Apocalipstic]

I understand, but I would like to know how many countries have it spelled out in their school curriculum. I for one was not taught that for the few years I went to school here. Maybe it is something worth looking into.


Very interesting. I see now what you are saying. Yes we have a history of Nationalism, but is it taught per se in curriculum?

I know before & during WWII Germany and Japan did and we know how that went. And yes, I think the Soviet Union and China...

I keep wishing the US was more progressive.

[UofMfan]

Very interesting. I see now what you are saying. Yes we have a history of Nationalism, but is it taught per se in curriculum?

I know before & during WWII Germany and Japan did and we know how that went. And yes, I think the Soviet Union and China...

I keep wishing the US was more progressive.


Exactly!, and this is the part that strikes a chord with me. And let's not forget Cuba.

So how can we as a nation denounce those countries that are doing what Texas is trying to do? Are Conservatives so blind not to see this?

[Apocalipstic]

Exactly!, and this is the part that strikes a chord with me. And let's not forget Cuba.

So how can we as a nation denounce those countries that are doing what Texas is trying to do? Are Conservatives so blind not to see this?

That is the big question isn't it? What possibly can they be thinking?????

I sincerely have no answer, it makes zero sense to me.

[UofMfan]

That is the big question isn't it? What possibly can they be thinking?????

I sincerely have no answer, it makes zero sense to me.

Me too. I am hoping maybe someone can comment on that and enlighten me! I am open to that.

I would also like to know how those who reside in Texas feel about this. But in the scope of things that get passed in Texas, maybe this isn't a big deal to most. To me though, it means a whole new generation of trouble.

[Apocalipstic]

Me too. I am hoping maybe someone can comment on that and enlighten me! I am open to that.

I would also like to know how those who reside in Texas feel about this. But in the scope of things that get passed in Texas, maybe this isn't a big deal to most. To me though, it means a whole new generation of trouble.


Meee toooo, I watch the news and wonder how possibly anyone could think it is a good idea.

[Hack]

Loving this thread!

I sometimes wonder if WWII was our last shining moment as a Nation. Jake, your trip sounds amazing! How wonderful to get to see the good side of what the US has done.



It was. Thank you.

*wistful little grin*