Fan Tasered. What do you think?

[Queerasfck]

A 17 year old baseball fan ran on the field at the Phillies game on Monday night. He was brought down by a taser used by an off duty police officer. Do you support the use of tasers at sporting and other events to bring down unruly fans? What do you think about this? Here is the youtube link to view and the article about the incident.

YouTube- Police Use Taser Gun On Phillies Fan

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5160692

[Medusa]

Um, NO.

I think that tasering a minor for being an asshat is complete overkill. Especially at a sporting event where running onto the field is a time-honored tradition for obnoxious daredevils everywhere.

Don't tase them, bro!

[The_Lady_Snow]

The sadist in me found it amusing.....:elefant:

[Queerasfck]

Besides the obvious reasons, it can be dangerous to be tasered, especially if you are under the influence as sometimes fans are. There have even been a few cases of deaths resulting from tasing.
A lot of security guards at games are not in shape to run around on the field to try to catch someone. But I think if there is no other way to stop someone make sure there are some signs clearly stating what will happen and if you're that stupid, silly or drunk to run on the field than you might get tased.
Also, I've seen this happen at a game. It's probably worse.

http://lebrownstown.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/browns-steelers.jpg

[apretty]

wow! that cop is a dick!

why not just shoot the kid? apparently you can use all kinds of force if you break a rule.

*dislike

[Ms. Tabitha]

The sadist in me found it amusing.....:elefant:

Oh yeah... same here!!

:cracked:

[Sabine Gallais]

Tase 'em all! Philadelphia fans have a long and storied past of idiocy.

[Rockinonahigh]

NO,its a bit of over kill in my book.As for the security being too fat to do the job without taseing someone,why do they not keep fit cause we know its a job that will require movement.Lately I have noticed a lot of police officers need a fitness program bad,some cant hardly get out of the cruiser much less run.

[apretty]

dissension: i'm shocked that ez wants to taser kids, while i voted 'never'.

i was all, 'omg! somebody voted yes! i would love to know who that is!' and he goes, 'i did!' and i refused to believe it until he walked me through the 'costs of tickets, the out of shape security guards, the disruption of a game' --and i still don't *care* at all, i still believe that no one should be tasered that isn't being *violent*.

i feel like i don't even know him... :tiger:

[The_Lady_Snow]

No one ever runs across the race track at NASCAR... I am kinda jealous...

I am not fond of the fanatic fans, what if one day some nutcase shoots or stabs a player. I mean come on you have to know at a game, any game there is going to be some sort of security fat or fit..

If you are gonna be silly enough to try it, do it but when the uniforms start chasing after ya, I learned in my younger years to just drop and raise your hands....

Ya never know when you are gonna get some trigger happy joe peabody do gooder, next time it won't be a tazer...

sad but true:soccer:

[apretty]

NO,its a bit of over kill in my book.As for the security being too fat to do the job without taseing someone,why do they not keep fit cause we know its a job that will require movement.Lately I have noticed a lot of police officers need a fitness program bad,some cant hardly get out of the cruiser much less run.

agreed, i'm glad that you don't want to tase children who misbehave/won't clean their plates. <3

[Medusa]

dissension: i'm shocked that ez wants to taser kids, while i voted 'never'.

i was all, 'omg! somebody voted yes! i would love to know who that is!' and he goes, 'i did!' and i refused to believe it until he walked me through the 'costs of tickets, the out of shape security guards, the disruption of a game' --and i still don't *care* at all, i still believe that no one should be tasered that isn't being *violent*.

i feel like i don't even know him... :tiger:


I was another "NO" and Jack needs to sit beside Ezee because she voted for a "Tase the shit out of them" button. :farmshotgun:

[NJFemmie]

I voted sometimes - because I do think it depends on the situation at hand - not so much the event. (We needed more options, man....)

Whether it's a "tradition" or not - no one is supposed to be on the field during a game except those that are supposed to be there.

No, I don't think it's cool to taser minors. But maybe if they realize that they CAN be tasered, it might deter them from being that much more obnoxious.

[apretty]

I was another "NO" and Jack needs to sit beside Ezee because she voted for a "Tase the shit out of them" button. :farmshotgun:

i don't feel safe, not one bit. what if i (for the 2349500th time) forget to do the dishes?

i shouldn't have to lounge around the house in kevlar.

[Queerasfck]

dissension: i'm shocked that ez wants to taser kids, while i voted 'never'.

i was all, 'omg! somebody voted yes! i would love to know who that is!' and he goes, 'i did!' and i refused to believe it until he walked me through the 'costs of tickets, the out of shape security guards, the disruption of a game' --and i still don't *care* at all, i still believe that no one should be tasered that isn't being *violent*.

i feel like i don't even know him... :tiger:

Tas'em all, let God sort'em out. Maybe it's the Dirty Harry in me but let's just say I plunked down $$$$$ (lots of it) to go see my favorite team play. Why would I want some stranger to take away the SMALL AMOUNT of joy in my life by distrupting the flow of the game? Do you think I want to see some drunk fool running circles around some out of shape security guard at a sporting event? Maybe for a minute or two but it could go on a long time. I think getting smacked down might do them a world of good. Sober up genius! They have rules to keep you off the field for a reason! This is not Sea World where they warn you "you might get wet" in the front 10 rows!!!!! You might get seriously hurt if you run on the field. Maybe they should stop selling beer at games.......that might help. I'm there to watch the game not look at some knob, tool, jerk off putting on a show.
End rant.

[Andrew, Jr.]

The police here in Maryland are out of control with tasering. We hear on the news about how kids are tasered, and then later die from it. Then over the weekend we hear about the elderly, pregnant women, and the disabled being tasered. I think it is a new toy for the police to use. Forget using guns, go to the dept. store or online and buy a taser. Then you can buy yourself a job.

Phili fans do have a bad reputation. But there is no reason why a kid needed to be tasered.

Beer sales need to be limited at all games. I just see no reason why beer is sold repeatedly to a drunk. Then let that person drive? No.

[apretty]

revision: i'm pretty sure that ez attends games in *hopes* of a tasering.

i can't wait for babies, to see ez at little league with a taser.

[SassyLeo]

In general, I do not support overzealous Police Officers tasering or shooting anyone, but this just happened in Portland yesterday...

http://www.kptv.com/video/23460539/

I'd rather he be tasered than shot...

[Rockinonahigh]

Taseing kids is just plane wrong..Not long ago on our local news this subjet was brought up cause of violence at high schools..One kid pulls a knife on another and the war was on..how did he get pass the security check was he had a ceramic knife that didnt set the wand off.It took two big burley cops to tackle the kid,im siurprised they didnt do worse.What have kids beome cause I dont remember this kind of stuff untill the last recent years.

[NJFemmie]

I live pretty close to Philly - and I used to live in NY.
In New York, there were far and few between instances where you heard someone ran out on a field. Not to say they haven't, or won't - but in New York, the obnoxious behavior is saved for after the game, if you know what I mean. *wink wink shaking fist*

Philly fans are very obnoxious, yes. But, I'm sure they'll refer to it as "spirit".
I suppose it's subjective.

[Sabine Gallais]

I think it's a wee bit disingenuous to make assumptions that cops are running around tasering folks for fun or without any merit whatsoever. It's hard for me to side with folks deliberately causing trouble. Heck, I walk around all day without getting tasered. I've even been to professional sporting events without finding trouble. Imagine?

[NJFemmie]

I think it's a wee bit disingenuous to make assumptions that cops are running around tasering folks for fun or without any merit whatsoever. It's hard for me to side with folks deliberately causing trouble. Heck, I walk around all day without getting tasered. I've even been to professional sporting events without finding trouble. Imagine?

Agreed.

Hell - It's been at least .. three months since I've been last tasered for no reason. It doesn't happen ALL the time.

Sidenote:
When you're paying $90 a ticket for not even a half way decent seat, I personally don't want some asshat running around breaking the momentum of the game. I am not there to see some drunken idiot running around - I'm there to see a game.

And a good point was made - how do you know it's not some whackadoo trying to take out one of the players?

If you're stupid enough to take your chances by running out on a field - expect that you will be removed one way or another.

[Kobi]

Tuff crowd here I see. I dont believe in using any kind of weapons unless abolutely necessary.

Law enforcement and security folks used to be well schooled in how to diffuse potentially nasty situations. But, then again, those were the days when people respected the police/security.

I can understand police/security resorting to devices to protect themselves in hostile situations tho. People are nuts these days.

These tasers might come in handy at the beach this summer tho. Where do you buy them?

[betenoire]

Wait, he was an OFF DUTY cop? What the fuck was he doing just carrying his taser around with him? Did he have his gun and his billy club, too?

I don't know much about cops (because I don't trust them, so I like to pretend they don't exist), so I don't know if they are allowed/encouraged to carry that shit around them when they are off the clock - but it strikes me as inappropriate. Especially to a freaking sporting event.

[Diva]

There can be such a fine line in considering where someone's "last resort" is.....no?

So I voted no.

For Pete's sake....where are they gonna run TO? They're sorta stuck, aren't they, when they get out onto that field.

I think ~ MY opinion ~ some are just a little bit Taser~Crazy, if You ask me.

[Diva]

Wait, he was an OFF DUTY cop? What the fuck was he doing just carrying his taser around with him? Did he have his gun and his billy club, too?

I don't know much about cops (because I don't trust them, so I like to pretend they don't exist), so I don't know if they are allowed/encouraged to carry that shit around them when they are off the clock - but it strikes me as inappropriate. Especially to a freaking sporting event.



Sometimes, off~duty cops work a gig like that for extra buckage.

[dreadgeek]

In general, I do not support overzealous Police Officers tasering or shooting anyone, but this just happened in Portland yesterday...

http://www.kptv.com/video/23460539/

I'd rather he be tasered than shot...

That man is lucky to be alive. If he'd been black, he would've been dead. The year I moved here there were *three* shootings, by cops, of motorists in the course of routine traffic stops and all three of the folks shot were black.

That said, I think that it really depends upon the situation. Someone running out onto a sports field does not actually rise to the occasion in my book. There are other ways to get the person to desist. Now, if the situation is such that another life is on the line, then whatever force the police have at their disposal should be used. So if the kid ran onto the field with a knife and all that happens is that he gets hit with a taser then he should consider himself lucky.

I think that armed officers (whether security guards or police) can be a little taser happy but I'm glad that they have a (generally) non-lethal way of stopping someone. And yes, I know that people do die from tasers however, given that the *next* level of escalation is a firearm, I'd rather unarmed but potentially violent perps be tased than be shot.

[NJFemmie]

Wait, he was an OFF DUTY cop? What the fuck was he doing just carrying his taser around with him? Did he have his gun and his billy club, too?

I don't know much about cops (because I don't trust them, so I like to pretend they don't exist), so I don't know if they are allowed/encouraged to carry that shit around them when they are off the clock - but it strikes me as inappropriate. Especially to a freaking sporting event.

I have a lot of law enforcement in my family.
Off duty cops are allowed to carry weapons, and yes, some do take extra jobs (usually security-type) for some extra buckage.

[dreadgeek]

Wait, he was an OFF DUTY cop? What the fuck was he doing just carrying his taser around with him? Did he have his gun and his billy club, too?

I don't know much about cops (because I don't trust them, so I like to pretend they don't exist), so I don't know if they are allowed/encouraged to carry that shit around them when they are off the clock - but it strikes me as inappropriate. Especially to a freaking sporting event.

I know that in California and Oregon off-duty police are allowed to carry their weapons.

Cheers
Aj

[Andrew, Jr.]

In Maryland, the off duty cops carry their weapons with them as well.

[Corkey]

Frankly it is a misuse of use of force. The kid may have run around for a bit, but the cop should not have used the taser. Wait him out or run after him and tackle him, or get some back up and catch him, but taser, nope uncalled for.

[Kobi]

Maybe if we put a taser device in both the batters box and pitchers mound, 4 hour baseball games will be a thing of the past. Just a thought.

[The_Lady_Snow]

I don't get it. Did it interrupt the Home Run? :junesmiley:

"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" :police:


Vana'she picture this

*We* are all at game night right?

and some wacko runs through the

Scrabble board

KNOCKING everything over!!

I would tase them for you <3


http://www.kidscape.org.uk/assets/commongraphics/zap.gif

[Apocalipstic]

No tasing of minors. It's a damn ball game, not Congressional hearings.

[Kobi]

No tasing of minors. It's a damn ball game, not Congressional hearings.

LOL right, no tasering of kids until we can taser congress.

[Queerasfck]

Vana'she picture this

*We* are all at game night right?

and some wacko runs through the

Scrabble board

KNOCKING everything over!!

I would tase them for you <3


http://www.kidscape.org.uk/assets/commongraphics/zap.gif

Now that's love!

[weatherboi]

*jealous*
personally if i were a crazy ass baseball fan like that i would hope to be taken down by the taser...SCORE!!!



*sometimes i get the feeling people wanna taser me on a plane, but that is a whole nother story*

[SuperFemme]

Double standard much?

They never tazed Morgana the Kissing Bandit now did they?

ZK-IMddz6Js

[The_Lady_Snow]

*jealous*
personally if i were a crazy ass baseball fan like that i would hope to be taken down by the taser...SCORE!!!



*sometimes i get the feeling people wanna taser me on a plane, but that is a whole nother story*


See why I *must* own a taser???

Well. Sure. Scrabble is some serious business. We shall make an exception in this case. Especially if I was ahead.

In the main, I think people get a little too worked up about sports and (NASCAR) non-sports. They get all tanked up on liquor, smack and nitrates and the next thing you know, they think they are Wilt Chamberlain or Babe Ruth or whatever and they are harshing (evidently) everyone elses mellow.

I feel you are saying that ALLLLLLLLLLLLL sports fans partake in such deeds.. Isn't that stereotyping:cookielove:

When I transform into a sports figure in my haze of adrenalin and cheers. I channel Jack Lambert

http://mlom.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/jack_lambert_oi171.jpg

[BullDog]

There better not be any disruptions of A2A at game night. :mad:

Off duty cops taking pot shots from the stands? No thanks. Make the idiots pay with stiff fines and/or tons of hours of community service or something- give them lasting pain instead of a temporary zap.

Yeah the trigger happy cops in Portland (almost always aimed at black people) make tasers look tame.

[Queerasfck]

When I transform into a sports figure in my haze of adrenalin and cheers. I channel Jack Lambert

http://mlom.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/jack_lambert_oi171.jpg

Geez Snowy, my admiration for you just grew even bigger!!! Jack Lambert is one of my childhood idols. Sniff, sniff, the thought of him manhandling people brings a tear to my eyes. I heard he's a forest ranger now. I can see him sitting in the woods far away from people rather than destroying them.

[Apocalipstic]

Y'all get pretty worked up about your sports I see. :)

and yes, NASCAR is a sport.

[suebee]

There was a case a couple of years ago where an Eastern European immigrant arrived at a western Canadian airport and for some reason there was no there to greet him. After several hours of wandering around the airport, not being able to find anyone who could communicate with him, and unable to find the people who were supposed to meet him, he was becoming increasingly agitated. At some point in time airport security was called - this would be the R.C.M.P. Now, I'm just too lazy to go search CBC archives to find it, but airport video clearly showed that the officers involved made NO attempt to communicate with the man. They simply approached him and repeatedly tasered him. Not so funny, huh? What's even LESS funny is that the man died. Yup. It can happen. He had no medical conditions that complicated the mattter - tasers can actually do that at times. They can kill people. The man was NOT considered to be a threat to ANYONE. He was just upset.

Welcome to Canada......ZAP!

[Just_G]

Okay, I say it depends on the event. There are some crazy ass fans at some events that need to be zapped!

I also think that taking away the adult beverages :drunk: is cruel and unusual punishment for those of us that like to partake in the ball park beer at $80 a pop...or whatever they are charging these days! ( I never buy) People like me are too drunk or out of shape to jump the wall and possibly break a leg trying to run in the first damn place! :winky: (This kid was 17, and if he was drunk and doing this, he needs to be brought up on drinking under the age of 21 and whomever was buying him the beer should be tazed...er uh, I mean punished!)

Run....heh....right!

If they are just running in circles, let them run til they get dizzy! I think the heavy set cops are just pissed they couldn't catch the little bugger, so he tazed him! I did have to laugh a bit when I saw the picture in the paper this morning....what idiots...the fan and the cop! Both of them need to control themselves for crying out loud!

[Blade]

I'm not a taser fan, and as a young person growing up and slightly a heathen I'm certainly glad the cops didn't carry them back in my day.

As for paying good money to go to a game, hmm do you know how much money people paid to see Mike Tyson bite off Evander Holyfields ear. Chuckling...now that is a time I'd like to have seen a fan run up in the middle of all the fun. At least the game goes on.

[Apocalipstic]

So sports are way more important than the welfare of a child.

Ayyyyy.

[The_Lady_Snow]

There was a case a couple of years ago where an Eastern European immigrant arrived at a western Canadian airport and for some reason there was no there to greet him. After several hours of wandering around the airport, not being able to find anyone who could communicate with him, and unable to find the people who were supposed to meet him, he was becoming increasingly agitated. At some point in time airport security was called - this would be the R.C.M.P. Now, I'm just too lazy to go search CBC archives to find it, but airport video clearly showed that the officers involved made NO attempt to communicate with the man. They simply approached him and repeatedly tasered him. Not so funny, huh? What's even LESS funny is that the man died. Yup. It can happen. He had no medical conditions that complicated the mattter - tasers can actually do that at times. They can kill people. The man was NOT considered to be a threat to ANYONE. He was just upset.

Welcome to Canada......ZAP!

but..

this was at a sporting event not the airport...:scared:

[The_Lady_Snow]

So sports are way more important than the welfare of a child.

Ayyyyy.

Well kids dad knew he was there, even told him

*not a good idea*

:redcard:

[The_Lady_Snow]

Double standard much?

They never tazed Morgana the Kissing Bandit now did they?

ZK-IMddz6Js


I just had to bring this up again..:gossip:

[Apocalipstic]

Well kids dad knew he was there, even told him

*not a good idea*

:redcard:

I guess I am amazed that people think sports are more important than this child.

Sports are supposed to be for fun, but they have gotten so serious (no doubt in some part due to gambling), that here we are talking about taseing a child.

Amazing

[Blade]

certainly sports isn't more important than the welfare of a child. I'm thinking more often than not it isn't a child doing the silly stuff just someone acting like a child. And how does an officer know if it is a child or not anyway. What do you do ask for an ID before you taser them?

I think but I could be wrong that I heard they charged him with trespass. He had a ticket for the game, are the stands and the ball field not on the same piece of property? I think people do stuff like that for the thrill of it or on a dare or cuz they are drunk. If the media didn't make such a big deal of it you'd probably see the occurrence of it even less often.

I think I'd like to drive my Tundra up in the middle of the boys one Sunday when the Chevy's are giving my 'Yota boys to much of a hard time. Wreck a few of them and give the race back to my 'Yota boys.

[Apocalipstic]

certainly sports isn't more important than the welfare of a child. I'm thinking more often than not it isn't a child doing the silly stuff just someone acting like a child. And how does an officer know if it is a child or not anyway. What do you do ask for an ID before you taser them?

I think but I could be wrong that I heard they charged him with trespass. He had a ticket for the game, are the stands and the ball field not on the same piece of property? I think people do stuff like that for the thrill of it or on a dare or cuz they are drunk. If the media didn't make such a big deal of it you'd probably see the occurrence of it even less often.

I think I'd like to drive my Tundra up in the middle of the boys one Sunday when the Chevy's are giving my 'Yota boys to much of a hard time. Wreck a few of them and give the race back to my 'Yota boys.

I think if there is any chance its a child, no taser.

I agree about the media, this got way more coverage than the entire flood here in Nashville with most of the city under water.

[The_Lady_Snow]

I think if there is any chance its a child, no taser.

I agree about the media, this got way more coverage than the entire flood here in Nashville with most of the city under water.


Cody (my son) is 17 in this picture, he looks like a grown man

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2285/7/64/1080001509/n1080001509_30307908_7205.jpg


He is 6ft 1 and about 189

I hope I gave him enough sense not to run across some field during an sporting event..

Now if I seen a guy jump over the fencing, running, I would be a lil worried, this day and age we just don't know..

Look at NY a bomb was sitting there waiting to go off.

This kid could of been someone dangerous

How do we know? Or do we just let any ass hat run across the field during a game?

Oh wait, if it's a girl in lil shorts and large breats it's a go!:angry:

[Blade]

That is what I thought too Snowy. Had it been a girl would she have been tasered? Oh no that would have been a side show! Also I'm disappointed you had no comment on me wrecking the Chevy's........

[Apocalipstic]

Ehhhh, we disagree on this. No biggie! Hell, I don't even go to sporting events when I can help it. :)

Your Son is a cutie Snow! Of course!

[Apocalipstic]

That is what I thought too Snowy. Had it been a girl would she have been tasered? Oh no that would have been a side show! Also I'm disappointed you had no comment on me wrecking the Chevy's........

Hey, and I drive a Chevy!

[The_Lady_Snow]

That is what I thought too Snowy. Had it been a girl would she have been tasered? Oh no that would have been a side show! Also I'm disappointed you had no comment on me wrecking the Chevy's........


Who is this person who speaks of Toyota drivers...

Hendrick Sports back to back 4 in a row that is all I have to say....

[SuperFemme]

Isn't it strange that nobody is going near the double standard issue?

[suebee]

Second example: A woman is running around a shopping mall threatening anyone who comes close to her with a knife. She's disoriented - in fact, she's suffering from a psychotic break. The police follow her into a store and using their tasers, immobilize and disarm her. Nobody was hurt. This happened last year in a small city a couple of hours' drive away from here. I believe the woman had attacked her husband before going to the mall. Can't remember the details. She was hospitalized - for the psychosis, not injuries related to the tasering. The officers involved received public praise for the restraint shown in their intervention.

I think this is an appropriate use of the taser, though I still think it can be dangerous. This situation could have ended much differently, and deadly force probably would have been justified.

As for tasering someone for being a nuisance? .....the man doesn't have the right to call himself a law enforcement professional. Their training includes the psychology of intervention, not simply the physical dynamics of it. Was the kid on the field an asshat? He certainly was. But tasering for conveniance......not cool. Not cool at all. In fact - sometimes it's deadly.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Second example: A woman is running around a shopping mall threatening anyone who comes close to her with a knife. She's disoriented - in fact, she's suffering from a psychotic break. The police follow her into a store and using their tasers, immobilize and disarm her. Nobody was hurt. This happened last year in a small city a couple of hours' drive away from here. I believe the woman had attacked her husband before going to the mall. Can't remember the details. She was hospitalized - for the psychosis, not injuries related to the tasering. The officers involved received public praise for the restraint shown in their intervention.

I think this is an appropriate use of the taser, though I still think it can be dangerous. This situation could have ended much differently, and deadly force probably would have been justified.

As for tasering someone for being a nuisance? .....the man doesn't have the right to call himself a law enforcement professional. Their training includes the psychology of intervention, not simply the physical dynamics of it. Was the kid on the field an asshat? He certainly was. But tasering for conveniance......not cool. Not cool at all. In fact - sometimes it's deadly.


Illegal use of the mall in a sports related conversation

penalty

-89765 points


:readfineprint:

[Apocalipstic]

Isn't it strange that nobody is going near the double standard issue?

I don't think anyone should be tased. But yeah, it totally looks like double standard.

[Andrew, Jr.]

As many of you know, lacrosse is huge here in Maryland. And recently, a native Maryland woman was murdered while away at college, Yeardley Love, 22 yo, due to graduate next month. She was murdered by another Maryland native, George Huguely, 22 yo and a senior as well.

George Huguely and Yeardley Love both attend University of Virginia. Huguely is being charged with first degree of murder of Love. Huguely slammed Love's head against a wall, and punched her face, after forcing his way into her apartment. The police found Love's body in a pool of blood on her bed face down.

It seems that George Huguely was tasered in Lexington, VA after assulting a cop. Then he was tasered after being drunk, unable to drive, resisting arrest, swearing, and trying to hit a female cop.

I am not sure of what George Huguely's brain is like after being tasered twice. I think he definitely has some mental health issues. I am just so horribly saddened by what I am watching on the local news about a gal whom everyone knew in town. And now we are going to bury her.

I just don't believe tasering is the answer. I am not sure of what the long term effects are afterwards. And to have someone like Yeardley Love being involved in a romantic relationship with someone who is domestically violent. Sad.

[Andrew, Jr.]

Lady Snow,

I still cannot get over the pics of your kids. OMG! Your babies grew up! I still think of them as babies and always will. I think that is the Uncle in me. :fishing:

[The_Lady_Snow]

:| Sporting event......

:writer:

[Nat]

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The tasing incident I found most disturbing was the tasing of student Mostafa Tabatabainejad at the UCLA library a while back. It was before, "don't tase me, bro." Watching this made me feel less safe in the world, and the feeling has stuck with me to some extent.

He was tased at least 4 times while other students begged the officer to stop.

I don't think people should be tased unless they are committing or threatening a violent act.

[weatherboi]

did they even have tasers back then?? :eyebrow:

i bet if they did it was like the cell phone evolution and they were probably too heavy to carry!!! :thinking:

i am seriously trying to address the double standard thing but are there any recent examples...at like a sporting/public event??



Double standard much?

They never tazed Morgana the Kissing Bandit now did they?

ZK-IMddz6Js

[SuperFemme]

http://www.womenstreakers.com/misc.html

[Cyclopea]

ridiculous.
i hope that cop gets sued.
:explode:

[Gemme]

No one ever runs across the race track at NASCAR... I am kinda jealous...

sad but true:soccer:

Nascar fans are smarter than other sports fans, obviously.


So sports are way more important than the welfare of a child.

Ayyyyy.

Like someone...Blade?...said, there is no way...at that moment to determine the exact age of the person who is

1. creating a potentially dangerous situation
2. interrupting a game (a huge no no no matter what)
3. is possibly in the act of breaking a law

If someone did that at a game I was at, I would hope that they would take care of the situation as fast as possible. I do, however, prefer that they not use tasers unless they can't avoid it.

[Gemme]

http://www.womenstreakers.com/misc.html

Apparently, cricket brings out the streaker in many of us.

One of the women....I won't disclose which one...looks EXACTLY like I do naked. :blink:

[Nat]

http://www.womenstreakers.com/misc.html

I'm afraid I enjoyed that site for the wrong reasons.

[Cyclopea]

running onto the field is a longstanding philly tradition, certainly nothing to get one's boxers in a bunch about. they get chased, arrested, and brag to their grandkids about it for the next 50 years. it's what true fans do. :shocking:
ahhh youth...

[weatherboi]

http://www.womenstreakers.com/misc.html



well...
nakedness may be the reason for never tasering these women!!


ok...so i am gonna get serious about this...

i wonder how many new yorkers/oklahoma city peeps get nervous at a public event when a person starts to act out?? i mean they just found a bomb in times square.

i am personally under the suspicion when i leave my space where ever i may be with whoever i may be with that it is a possibility some freak is gonna come and rain on our parade/sporting event/charity function. i allow myself to be ready for this :quickdraw:

i think if a venue decides to use a taser to enforce behavior then the fans should be told so...maybe some funny examples on the "big tron":mohawk:

[Gemme]

well...
nakedness may be the reason for never tasering these women!!


ok...so i am gonna get serious about this...

i wonder how many new yorkers/oklahoma city peeps get nervous at a public event when a person starts to act out?? i mean they just found a bomb in times square.

i am personally under the suspicion when i leave my space where ever i may be with whoever i may be with that it is a possibility some freak is gonna come and rain on our parade/sporting event/charity function. i allow myself to be ready for this :quickdraw:

i think if a venue decides to use a taser to enforce behavior then the fans should be told so...maybe some funny examples on the "big tron":mohawk:

At least you know their almost definitely not carrying any weapons on their person. :blink:

I like your idea about promoting the knowledge that tasering would be an acceptable form of restraint and discipline for those who choose to do something like this. Truth in humor and using humor to make the message more palatable 'n all.

[SuperFemme]

well...
nakedness may be the reason for never tasering these women!!


ok...so i am gonna get serious about this...

i wonder how many new yorkers/oklahoma city peeps get nervous at a public event when a person starts to act out?? i mean they just found a bomb in times square.

i am personally under the suspicion when i leave my space where ever i may be with whoever i may be with that it is a possibility some freak is gonna come and rain on our parade/sporting event/charity function. i allow myself to be ready for this :quickdraw:

i think if a venue decides to use a taser to enforce behavior then the fans should be told so...maybe some funny examples on the "big tron":mohawk:


I am not sure, but wasn't it an off duty cop with a surprise tazer that got the boy?

I don't think a fan on the field is comparative to terrorism. Suspicious packages in the stadium are more scary. Also, I haven't been to any event sports, music or otherwise since 9/11 that doesn't wand and hand search spectators.

Anything can happen anywhere. I don't want to live my life in fear of what *might* happen. Just go ahead and kill me now rather than having me exist in fear.

[The_Lady_Snow]

I am not sure, but wasn't it an off duty cop with a surprise tazer that got the boy?

I don't think a fan on the field is comparative to terrorism. Suspicious packages in the stadium are more scary. Also, I haven't been to any event sports, music or otherwise since 9/11 that doesn't wand and hand search spectators.

Anything can happen anywhere. I don't want to live my life in fear of what *might* happen. Just go ahead and kill me now rather than having me exist in fear.


Ohio State Games do not have a wand to go over, they look at your ticket you go in, they may have you open your back pack if you have one and briefly look in..

If you are a student, they check your ID if it's a student ticket..

Though I would like to see any Michigan Wolverine tasered as they entered the field..

I am a sick puppy though:wateringgarden:

[Bad_boi]

Only if they are being violent.

[SuperFemme]

Ohio State Games do not have a wand to go over, they look at your ticket you go in, they may have you open your back pack if you have one and briefly look in..

If you are a student, they check your ID if it's a student ticket..

Though I would like to see any Michigan Wolverine tasered as they entered the field..

I am a sick puppy though:wateringgarden:
Oh. We don't likey the Wolverines?

I guess it depends on the venue as far as searches and wanding. Who knew? I might not go to an event where there weren't heightened security precautions.

What team are the puppies?

[Hack]

Tom Gamboa. The name probably doesn't ring a bell with anyone except a hardcore baseball freak like me. He is best known as the first base coach the Kansas City Royals in 2002 who was attacked by two fans who came charging out of the stands during the game in Chicago. Gamboa was seriously injured in the incident. Today, Sporting News Online interviewed Gamboa, asking him his thoughts on the tasered fan. I think it is worthy to include his thoughts.


What does Gamboa think about the fans running on the field in Philadelphia?

Gamboa: I'm on a golf vacation and didn't know anything about this. I hadn't seen TV or heard radio until at the golf course today, a sports radio guy came up and he filled me in on what happened. And then only just prior to your show did your producer tell me what happened tonight, and I just cringed when I heard that because that is so reminiscent of my situation, when I was in Chicago in '02.

The next time we went to Chicago in April of '03, there were tons of security people, and I said to the security director, "What is all this for?" And they said, "Well, because your team is back in town, and the last time you were here, the incident occurred." And I laughed and said, "Gee, did they really think lightning was going to strike twice?"

And there were actually three incidents in one game of people copycatting, and the third one was where the guy tried to tackle the first base umpire. So it's a shame, I just wish the fans would understand their only place is in the stands, and never any reason on the field of play to take away from the enjoyment of what everyone is there for, which is the competition on the field. But it just seems like we're in a society where people are looking for any kind of what they think is fame or infamy at any cost. And once somebody does it, then you got people jumping on the bandwagon trying to be copycats. It's really a shame.

What is Gamboa's opinion on harsher penalties for fans going on the field?

Gamboa: Certainly, after my attack, Major League Baseball did a great job of really coming up. You look at every stadium now, they've got guys sitting back to back near the dugout, and down both lines, and the ushers between innings will come down right near the rail to act as a detriment for people to do this.

But you're right, if there's 40 or 50,000 fans, they're always going to outnumber the ushers and the security people. So it's virtually impossible to keep 'em, and I wish I had an answer for it. But I agree with you wholeheartedly, the penalties are not stringent enough.

My God, in my case the guy was given probation, and after violating it on four more occasions, the judge continued to give him probation because he said we had to understand this guy had an alcohol and a drug problem. I mean, it just seems to me like society makes excuses for people's behavior rather than the more stringent thing of holding people accountable for their actions. And maybe a stiffer first offense, some mandatory time – whether it's a week or 30 days, I don't have the answer – but some time incarcerated to deter other people from following suit.

What did Gamboa take away from the 2002 incident, when he was attacked by a father and son on the field?

Gamboa: My only question in court was, "Why me?" The thing that I got was, "We were on drugs when we got to the park, then we drank beer throughout the game, and then we made a decision to get attention so when we got on the field, you were the closest one to us and your back was turned, so you were an easy target."So, basically I was just at the right place doing my job at the wrong time with these two wackos. But having to coach third base with the Cubs prior to my tenure with the Royals, I can tell you, I loved going into Philadelphia. Like Chicago, they are die hard fans that support their team, and there's an electricity in the ballpark there. I would hate to see, like I said about Chicago, I would hate to see Philly get a bad rap because of a couple of stupid people doing a bad act, because it doesn't reflect to me, the city or the sports fans that they have. And I hope that gets across as this story goes around.


*I have highlighted portions for emphasis.

[betenoire]

I really don't get why a cop should have to/get to carry his weapons with him when he's off duty. But then, I'm Canadian. We're not all about the running around carrying weapons up here.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/96298930.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1273110476&Signature=udy5N0fMZkvYTUSlhK5NqlvY95s%3D

[SuperFemme]

So they actually attacked the man? That is horrid.
If the young man in this recent incident had seemed to be heading towards a person then yeah. Taze away.:knighthorse:

[The_Lady_Snow]

Mortal Combat powers!!!

Ms Potty that is AWESOME!!!


http://gamerinvestments.com/video-game-stocks/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/MK_Scorpion_film.jpg


I would so wanna be at THAT game!:paw:

[weatherboi]

yeah but i didnt think we were coming from that specific angle...i mean how many off duty taser toting cops go to games with crazy fan streakers??

we will compare it when it finally happens to be a person with a bomb attached to them...i mean i think alot of people never thought 9/11 would happen

anybody that knows me knows i dont live my life in fear
i am well aware randomness happens because i have had my own taste more than twice


I am not sure, but wasn't it an off duty cop with a surprise tazer that got the boy?

I don't think a fan on the field is comparative to terrorism. Suspicious packages in the stadium are more scary. Also, I haven't been to any event sports, music or otherwise since 9/11 that doesn't wand and hand search spectators.

Anything can happen anywhere. I don't want to live my life in fear of what *might* happen. Just go ahead and kill me now rather than having me exist in fear.

[SuperFemme]

yeah but i didnt think we were coming from that specific angle...i mean how many off duty taser toting cops go to games with crazy fan streakers??

we will compare it when it finally happens to be a person with a bomb attached to them...i mean i think alot of people never thought 9/11 would happen

anybody that knows me knows i dont live my life in fear
i am well aware randomness happens because i have had my own taste more than twice

I know you and know you don't live in fear.
I was just saying that if I let my mind wander down that road?
I. am. fucked.

I'd never leave the house.

[The_Lady_Snow]

I know you and know you don't live in fear.
I was just saying that if I let my mind wander down that road?
I. am. fucked.

I'd never leave the house.


Pfft

I would taser your ass and roll you out of the house... Each time you protested

ZAP~~~~~~~~~~~~~

:dozey:

[Hack]

Monica Seles, the tennis player...attacked by a fan during a match. Seriously wounded physically and scarred emotionally. I don't think she ever played tennis again after that.

I'm not saying this young man at the Phillies game would have attacked anyone. But how do we know? We don't. He exercised poor judgment and lacks personal responsibility -- does he deserve to get tasered for that? I don't think so, because, really, think of the number of people we all know who would qualify for being tasered.

However, if you are going to exercise your poor judgment and put your lack of personal responsibility on display at a major public event where security is instructed -- to the letter -- to protect not only the athletes but the other fans, then yes, I think you should be subdued and removed from the stadium.

And has anyone mentioned that the guy who was tasered was not the only incident at a Phillies game this year? Another fan ran out of in the field recently too. He was subdued without a taser and removed from the stadium.

It could be worse...we could have the crazy UK and European soccer fans. People kill each other at those games sometimes. :|

Jake

[betenoire]

Pfft

I would taser your ass and roll you out of the house... Each time you protested

ZAP~~~~~~~~~~~~~

:dozey:

ong you're mad with power!

[SuperFemme]

Pfft

I would taser your ass and roll you out of the house... Each time you protested

ZAP~~~~~~~~~~~~~

:dozey:

yeah.
so....
this is more for the constant craving thread.... :pendulum:

[Mister Bent]

I say trade that thing for an anal probe and the problem will cease.

Except for freaks (like weatherboi)who would be all about it.

[betenoire]

I say trade that thing for an anal probe and the problem will cease.

Except for freaks (like weatherboi)who would be all about it.

Wait. So instead of off-duty cops we will have off-duty Aliens wandering around all mad with power?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tgPb9NVvCY

YouTube- Cartman Gets An Anal Probe

[weatherboi]

you brought up the anal probe not me Bent


I say trade that thing for an anal probe and the problem will cease.

Except for freaks (like weatherboi)who would be all about it.

[SuperFemme]

you brought up the anal probe not me Bent

heh. right? :riding2:

[Mister Bent]

you brought up the anal probe not me Bent

Those damned subliminal messages!

[christie]

I really don't get why a cop should have to/get to carry his weapons with him when he's off duty. But then, I'm Canadian. We're not all about the running around carrying weapons up here.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/96298930.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1273110476&Signature=udy5N0fMZkvYTUSlhK5NqlvY95s%3D

As I understand it, the Law Enforcement Safety Act of 2004 (which is Federal) gives off duty law enforcement permission to carry firearms off duty.

The general idea is that law enforcement are not ever really off duty.

I have no knowledge of Canadian laws regarding off duty officers and the ins and outs of what weapons, if any are permitted.

[Toofrufru]

Off duty again refers to a shift that is not their regular duty. example patrol officers not on patrol,or an overtime or extra assignment.

My opinion (and only mine) on the "child" 17 years of age that was handed over the keys to a vehicle to get to the game, maneuvered his way to the "once in a lifetime" experience, has a cellphone to call for the advice of his father and made the adult decision to ignore it, as well as the adult decision to ignore the rules that the other thousands of fans seem to be able to follow them. Yet lives by the NOT ME mentality of "Im just a kid having fun". Which is the same response of every one that had the drink at prom and killed some one, that got the girl pregnant after having sex once, that killed their best friend while texting in a vehicle. Yes I am a hard ass. Realize I sit behind the phone and receive the calls daily from the mothers of these so called "children" who ignore their advice the same way this kid just wanting to have fun does. Only wanting to stay out an hour later or get the cellphones taken away get mad runaway for what they thought was a night come home raped and beaten up. Tase them now tase them twice It may just save them from a worse outcome later on.

[Dean Thoreau]

Um, NO.

I think that tasering a minor for being an asshat is complete overkill. Especially at a sporting event where running onto the field is a time-honored tradition for obnoxious daredevils everywhere.

Don't tase them, bro!

Well actually Philadelphia sports fans and sporting events are a bit ummmm.....crude. The ball park that the phillies play in even has their own branch of court so individuals can be taken right to the judge due to the massive amount of poor behavior known at the games. Am I shocked by a person getting tasered..nope....Actually I am shocked the off duty cop didnt just pull out his 38 and kill the kid.....

Philadelphia................it may have been the birthplace to freedom, but since then.....it kinda sux!

[apretty]

I really don't get why a cop should have to/get to carry his weapons with him when he's off duty. But then, I'm Canadian. We're not all about the running around carrying weapons up here.

it's amerika we've gotta protect our borders, we never leave home without our guns and ammo!http://www.corrupt.org/drupal/files/images/gun.jpg

[Dean Thoreau]

not enough choices....................
i vote that people who disrupt an event in which there was an admission charge....be removed placed in a prison cell and left there till the end of the event, afterwhich they be hung so as never to do it again.

perhaps it will take 3 or 4 hangings but eventually people will learn that disrupting an event is not "cute, funny, or a way to get your 15 minutes of fame" this goes for little kids who decide to start screaming in church as well....hang them and their parents.

:cheer:

[Andrew, Jr.]

Hack,

Monica Seles never played after that incident. In fact, she was stabbed by that so-called "fan". She wrote a book afterwards. Now who knows where she is in her life. Very sad.

[Linus]

PHILADELPHIA: Illegal

Philadelphia City Ordinance. Statute 10-825 Stun Guns. (1) Definitions. (a) Stun Gun. Any device which expels or projects a projectile which, upon coming in contact with a person, is capable of inflicting injury or an electric shock to such person. (2) Prohibited conduct. No person shall own, use, possess, sell or otherwise transfer any "stun gun." (3) Penalty. Any person violating any provision of this section shall be subject to a fine or not more than three hundred (300) dollars and /or imprisonment for not more than ninety (90 days.)


Source: http://rkdefense.com/laws.php






Off-duty or not, it's illegal.


Now, the ethics of it... part of me can understand it. The amount of alcohol and other "stuff" that goes on, as well as some of the over zealousness of some fans towards or against sports figures could warrant it. There is another part that wonders how much of a threat he really was and whether it was just frustration on the part of the security guards.



The question that is appropriate is how well trained was the individual in the use of the taser. If trained well, they have saved lives on both sides of the taser. Unfortunately, I have doubts as to how well some are trained. There have been a few too many cases where the use of tasers (stun guns) have resulted in deaths of individuals (some were due to improper training, others due to the health of the individual in question).

[Linus]

not enough choices....................
i vote that people who disrupt an event in which there was an admission charge....be removed placed in a prison cell and left there till the end of the event, afterwhich they be hung so as never to do it again.

perhaps it will take 3 or 4 hangings but eventually people will learn that disrupting an event is not "cute, funny, or a way to get your 15 minutes of fame" this goes for little kids who decide to start screaming in church as well....hang them and their parents.

:cheer:

Death penalties have been proven as an unsuccessful deterrent in addressing behaviorial issues/challenges in society. I think removing the "beer" aspect of sporting events would be a little better at deterring this kind of behaviour.

As for kids and parents, this is part of life. Kids will scream in the most inappropriate places. While we don't like it, it is part of their and their parents "growing up" stages.

[NJFemmie]

Stun guns may be illegal for every day people, but they are not illegal for police officers.

(e) EXCEPTIONS.-- Nothing in this section shall prohibit the possession or use by, or the sale or furnishing of any electric or electronic incapacitation device to, a law enforcement agency, peace officer, employee of a correctional institution, county jail or prison or detention center, the National Guard or reserves or a member of the National Guard or reserves for use in their official duties. Taken from here (http://www.beststungun.com/stun-gun-laws.html).


Now that I live relatively close to Philly, I see first hand how truly obnoxious Philly fans can be - the news is constantly filled with just bad, middle-child behavior (not just sports-related) - and each year it just gets worse.

I'm not an advocate for excessive force, and I am certainly not an advocate of force against minors - but I do think being tasered is hella better than being shot. I also think it sends a loud message that this behavior will not be rewarded with just a mere slap on the wrist and a big "ha-ha".

Sitting in a tank for the remainder of a game isn't necessarily going to dissuade someone from doing it again - they've already "achieved their goal". At the same time, I am not saying to tase the shit out of the whole stadium.

Maybe the fines aren't large enough, or maybe jail time needs to be imposed (if it isn't already, idk) - but I do think that they need to do something before sports events are viewed behind a gigantic iron gate, yanno? (.... or worse, someone gets hurt again .... keeping Monica in mind.....)

[adorable]

I am all for tasering or the use of baseball bats. If you are dumb enough to run out onto a field in the middle of a game - you deserve it. If you are dumb enough to run from the police who are telling you to stop - you deserve it. If you are dumb enough not to listen to someone that gets paid (poorly) to carry a gun -you deserve it.

As for him being 17 - as the mother of a 17 year old girl, I think all 17 year olds should be tasered on their 17th birthday so they know what it feels like. That way when they go to a party with all their stupid friends and the police show up, they don't think running their mouth is such a great idea. I would like to buy a taser actually, it would save me from losing my voice like I do currently. That and I bet her room would be immaculate.

In Florida they are fond of tasering elementary kids. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/15/taser_kids_zapped/

I do draw the line there. Keep tasers out of elementary school. But, high school - 16 and up - go for it.

[apretty]

Keep tasers out of elementary school. But, high school - 16 and up - go for it.

my parents didn't use a taser *once* and my room was immaculate and my curfew was 10pm until i was 18--i was late one time.

i can't speak to mouthing-off to cops because that was/is beyond inconceivable, my parents made it perfectly clear that if i ever was arrested/picked up by the cops that i should under no circumstance waste a phone call on calling them because my dad would *NEVER* bail me out of JH/jail.

so, it's probably not the taser (or bat)--though my dad was and probably still is an excellent shot. (target practice, mainly.)

[SuperFemme]

Yeah. I don't think making light of using excessive force on minors is funny.
Coming from a person that survived a mother who used it regularly.

[Gemme]

not enough choices....................
i vote that people who disrupt an event in which there was an admission charge....be removed placed in a prison cell and left there till the end of the event, afterwhich they be hung so as never to do it again.

perhaps it will take 3 or 4 hangings but eventually people will learn that disrupting an event is not "cute, funny, or a way to get your 15 minutes of fame" this goes for little kids who decide to start screaming in church as well....hang them and their parents.

:cheer:

Well, the kids are going to be kids. It's up to the parents how to deal with it.

my parents didn't use a taser *once* and my room was immaculate and my curfew was 10pm until i was 18--i was late one time.

i can't speak to mouthing-off to cops because that was/is beyond inconceivable, my parents made it perfectly clear that if i ever was arrested/picked up by the cops that i should under no circumstance waste a phone call on calling them because my dad would *NEVER* bail me out of JH/jail.

so, it's probably not the taser (or bat)--though my dad was and probably still is an excellent shot. (target practice, mainly.)

This goes back to the parents and then we'll get into the whole 'who's a good parent' discussion and that will go all to Hell in a pretty lil hand basket. With streamers and glitter, no less.

So, to stop that in its tracks, I too knew better even though I did not have a good parental influence and spent years in the system.

So, the responsibility for the infraction goes firmly on the shoulders of the idiot who committed it, where it belongs.

[Nat]

I am very glad my parent never advocated violently assaulting me for no reason, "just so I knew what it feels like."

Wow.

[Glenn]

"Civil journalism", and more threads such as this, along with videos, are good for folks who were/will be victims of excessive use of force with tasers. Do we have legislation to protect them?

[Gemme]

"Civil journalism", threads such as this, can also be used to show videos of folks who were victims of excessive use of force with tasers in order to enforce new legislation. Also, I think building higher fences around the playing field may help.

How will it help when the kid had a ticket?

[Apocalipstic]

So we are going to tase and possibly hang children if they interrupt sports.

Yeayyy.

I am proud as pie of us. Sports. Something that is supposed to be recreational and fun. Relaxing even.

My parent did take to assaulting me physically..but did not really give me a reason.

Maybe the Dad should have been tased instead of the kid?

Again, for me it is incomprehensible to get so upset over a ball game that some of us think violence to children is the way to control crowds.

Wow.

I am now clear on why I am not into sports....I thought it was dodge ball, but no...it was fans who think that nothing should get in the way of competition. :explode:

[Sabine Gallais]

"Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"


Now, if only the kid that ran out on the field thought this way too. I'd rather hold HIM responsible for HIS actions first and foremost. Why don't we do that once in a while? ;)

[Queerasfck]

Tasers can be deadly.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0512-taser-20110512,0,6214151.story?track=rss&dlvrit=99756