Titanic 100 Years Later

[gaea]

I really have no idea where this would go its history so i think this is an appropriate place.

I have had a strange addiction to everything Titanic since around the age of 4 i remember having a conversation with my mother about it and her asking me where i had "heard" the things i had been talking about, only i do not remember "hearing" anything so i could not say anything other than "I just know"

Now that the 100 years is upon us, the news media is all over this asking people about their strange addictions and or "connections" to the titanic.

I have found this interesting because i have a strange connection to it as well unexplainable i had no relatives aboard.

http://www.rmstitanic.net/

RIP-RMS TITANIC 04/15/1912

Does anyone else have these strange/odd connections to things history events of the past ?

[I'mOneToo]

gaea, I also have a fascination for all things Titanic. Nope, no relatives on board nor anyone who knew any of them.

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/

[gaea]

gaea, I also have a fascination for all things Titanic. Nope, no relatives on board nor anyone who knew any of them.

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/

I am so glad there is another..here at least we are about to celebrate 100 years...

Im saddened by this event and yet somehow relieved by it at the same time.

[I'mOneToo]

There is this too, if you're interested:

Kgfjw-PeGR8

It's an hour and a half long, but interesting.

[macele]

my niece is crazy about everything titanic. she and i went to the museum in pigeon forge, tn. she loved it. i went for the picture in front of the famous staircase (really just standing in front of a blue screen) lol.

we went into a room that was cold as cold can get, seemed like. we touched ice/water, ... how cold it would have been to be in the water, ... like those on the titanic. there was an illusion of the hallway. dang that looked real! i could just see rose and jack running together. any titanic fan would enjoy.

the titanic passengers experienced an unimaginable death, horrific. and those that lived, brought the unimaginable horror home with them. it's like 9 11. and katrina. everytime i think of, i close my eyes and feel a loss that's deep, dark, scarey. just can't imagine what they went through.

i've felt a connection with a person that i don't know, historic. it feels too personal to share. but i do understand the connection you are talking about. at least i think i do. i know the connection that i have had, ... has been to soothe my soul. and maybe the other "person's" spirit.

interesting topic. thank you, gaea.

[gaea]

my niece is crazy about everything titanic. she and i went to the museum in pigeon forge, tn. she loved it. i went for the picture in front of the famous staircase (really just standing in front of a blue screen) lol.

we went into a room that was cold as cold can get, seemed like. we touched ice/water, ... how cold it would have been to be in the water, ... like those on the titanic. there was an illusion of the hallway. dang that looked real! i could just see rose and jack running together. any titanic fan would enjoy.

the titanic passengers experienced an unimaginable death, horrific. and those that lived, brought the unimaginable horror home with them. it's like 9 11. and katrina. everytime i think of, i close my eyes and feel a loss that's deep, dark, scarey. just can't imagine what they went through.

i've felt a connection with a person that i don't know, historic. it feels too personal to share. but i do understand the connection you are talking about. at least i think i do. i know the connection that i have had, ... has been to soothe my soul. and maybe the other "person's" spirit.

interesting topic. thank you, gaea.

thank you for sharing this information, if I may ask how old is your neice?

[gaea]

There is this too, if you're interested:

Kgfjw-PeGR8

It's an hour and a half long, but interesting.

thank you for posting this I believe I have seen it however will watch it again. :)

[gaea]

there is a special in tonight that I am watching.

[macele]

she is 10. and actually, she is my great niece. mom had me late in life. so i have great's lol.

we went last thanksgiving holiday.

[Ciaran]

I have little direct interest in The Titanic, although it was built in the Harland & Wolff shipyard in my beloved home city of Belfast. At the time, Belfast was world's leading manufacturer of ships.

The completion of The Titanic was a thing of pride for Belfast and its sinking damaged the psyche of the city for many years. It was something that was rarely discussed. Following decades of sectarian conflict and the decline of our manufacturing base, the shipyards died. The offices where The Titanic was designed remained but were boarded up. Bus tours of Belfast took visitors to the site where The Titanic was built - it was nothing but desolate wasteland and ghosts.

Until recently, our commemoration of the Titanic had been more discrete through a beautiful memorial to the Titanic victims erected in the grounds of our City Hall in 1920.

Things are very different today - a multi-million dollar Titanic Visitor Centre (http://www.titanicbelfast.com/Home.aspx) opens this month and the city is at the heart of the Titanic celebrations. The Centre is in our Titanic quarter, the rebirth of the wasteland into waterfront apartments, offices and shops in what may become a thriving part of our city.

Not all rests easy with me. There's blatant over-commercialisation from the sale of Titanic-branded potato chips to a range of garish Titanic souvenirs. However, overall, this is incredibly positive and it's beautiful to see my city's contribution to The Titanic being finally recognised and the exorcising of certain ghosts in the process. As we've said in Belfast for many decades, The Titanic was fine when it left here.


As an aside, my grandfather was born only miles away from The Titanic on the same day that it set sale from Belfast. Sadly, I never knew him as he died more than a decade before I was born.

[gaea]

I have little direct interest in The Titanic, although it was built in the Harland & Wolff shipyard in my beloved home city of Belfast. At the time, Belfast was world's leading manufacturer of ships.

The completion of The Titanic was a thing of pride for Belfast and its sinking damaged the psyche of the city for many years. It was something that was rarely discussed. Following decades of sectarian conflict and the decline of our manufacturing base, the shipyards died. The offices where The Titanic was designed remained but were boarded up. Bus tours of Belfast took visitors to the site where The Titanic was built - it was nothing but desolate wasteland and ghosts.

Until recently, our commemoration of the Titanic had been more discrete through a beautiful memorial to the Titanic victims erected in the grounds of our City Hall in 1920.

Things are very different today - a multi-million dollar Titanic Visitor Centre (http://www.titanicbelfast.com/Home.aspx) opens this month and the city is at the heart of the Titanic celebrations. The Centre is in our Titanic quarter, the rebirth of the wasteland into waterfront apartments, offices and shops in what may become a thriving part of our city.

Not all rests easy with me. There's blatant over-commercialisation from the sale of Titanic-branded potato chips to a range of garish Titanic souvenirs. However, overall, this is incredibly positive and it's beautiful to see my city's contribution to The Titanic being finally recognised and the exorcising of certain ghosts in the process. As we've said in Belfast for many decades, The Titanic was fine when it left here.


As an aside, my grandfather was born only miles away from The Titanic on the same day that it set sale from Belfast. Sadly, I never knew him as he died more than a decade before I was born.

reading this gave me chills more to the point your grandfather was born the day it set sail. amazing to me, this connection you have.

Im so glad you joined this conversation and gave us some insight into Belfast, ironic if you think about it, the way you described Belfast closing up after the ship sank and now is suddenly being reborn around the same ship.

I am not fond of the commercialization of the titanic either, my connection is different i do not own anything titanic not even a movie i keep meaning to buy it and i never do.

for me it is in the "story" the story of those that boarded and lived prior to the sinking, they had lives everyday lives who were they what were they about and what set them in motion to get on board a ship that would take them down? It is the personal stories that fascinate me the most.

Im curious and maybe you can help, why the stigma for so many years? Its not like Belfast had anything to do with the iceberg or the fatalities. They had engineers beyond their time that built this great ship, they had technology and a greater understanding of how things worked and put it all together, that to me is amazing in itself the design the actual building the hard working crew and construction members. etc.


I would go to this visitor centre just to be near, i would want to walk the land and see all around maybe someday i'll make it over to Belfast.

[gaea]

if your on fb here is a link, I have been following this page for awhile

https://www.facebook.com/TitanicStories

[Electrocell]

Do you believe in reincarnation?



I really have no idea where this would go its history so i think this is an appropriate place.

I have had a strange addiction to everything Titanic since around the age of 4 i remember having a conversation with my mother about it and her asking me where i had "heard" the things i had been talking about, only i do not remember "hearing" anything so i could not say anything other than "I just know"

Now that the 100 years is upon us, the news media is all over this asking people about their strange addictions and or "connections" to the titanic.

I have found this interesting because i have a strange connection to it as well unexplainable i had no relatives aboard.

http://www.rmstitanic.net/

RIP-RMS TITANIC 04/15/1912

Does anyone else have these strange/odd connections to things history events of the past ?

[gaea]

Do you believe in reincarnation?

I do yes, i do not just believe in it, however it is something in which i feel if that makes any sense.

my nightmares are all water based flooding waters rushing in and there is always some sort of maze i do not know how to explain them, I am currently trying to get connected with a "regression" therapist so i can make some sense out of my nightmares and perhaps put them to rest.

When i have flooding nightmares they are pretty intense and will almost always leave me with a sense of sadness the next day, couple these nightmares where im in some sort of maze and cannot get out or find my way "out" and im left with confusion.

The other night i dreamt I was on a large ship and i kept going from one room to another and they seemed like compartment sized rooms only i was following my eldest daughter who was in a wedding gown (weird) and she kept disappearing on me forcing me to continue looking for her, although i never saw her face in my dream it was my daughter.

I have never been on a ship in this lifetime and yet that seems to be all i think about being out on the open waters.

[Ciaran]

Im so glad you joined this conversation and gave us some insight into Belfast, ironic if you think about it, the way you described Belfast closing up after the ship sank and now is suddenly being reborn around the same ship.

Im curious and maybe you can help, why the stigma for so many years? Its not like Belfast had anything to do with the iceberg or the fatalities. They had engineers beyond their time that built this great ship, they had technology and a greater understanding of how things worked and put it all together, that to me is amazing in itself the design the actual building the hard working crew and construction members. etc.

The stigma was all too real for many years. Although the design and build of The Titanic was likely nothing to do with its sinking, many accusations were made at the time and in subsequent years.

The sinking of The Titanic was of great sadness for the City but it also damaged the City's pride. It is said to have mentally scarred the lives of many of those workers who, rightly or wrongly, felt partly responsible for the disaster. It is said that many took this sense of guilt to their graves.

It's only very recently that, as a people, we've embraced our Titanic heritage and, in part, it's because sufficient time has passed which fades the pain. In fact, I think it's largely because those who worked on The Titanic are now all dead and most of their sons and daughters are dead too so, which we can now celebrate / commemorate that heritage, we don't have the pain of some of our forefathers.


When The Titanic left Belfast in 1912, it was a confident and outward looking industrial powerhouse (Belfast was where the United States established their second overseas consultate / embassy).

However, it was also a time of significant sectarian conflict in the City between Protestants and Roman Catholics. Five months after The Titanic's sinking, more than 440,000 Protestant adults signed the Ulster Covenant at Belfast City Hall, effectively renouncing any form of Irish rule in Belfast, an incredible number given the adult population of the province was considerably less than one million.




I would go to this visitor centre just to be near, i would want to walk the land and see all around maybe someday i'll make it over to Belfast.

Yes, I'm rather biased as I love Belfast so much but it's an incredibly warm and hospitable city that is very definitely worthy of a visit. The Titantic Visitor Centre looks very impressive from the outside and has received excellent reviews. When I last returned to Belfast two weeks ago, it had yet to open but I'm looking forward to visiting it on my next trip home.

[Electrocell]

Interesting can understand what you are saying. I've had dreams about things and knew things the only way it could of been explained is that I had lived at that time.

Was wondering can you swim? You say you think about being on open waters, are you fearful at the same time?

[gaea]

Interesting can understand what you are saying. I've had dreams about things and knew things the only way it could of been explained is that I had lived at that time.

Was wondering can you swim? You say you think about being on open waters, are you fearful at the same time?

yes i can swim i honestly don't remember a time i couldn't swim seems like i have always known how.

I am not fearful it is more like longing for me even though i have waterbased nightmares. It is difficult and seems somewhat conflicting. I do not really know how to explain it.

[Electrocell]

yes i can swim i honestly don't remember a time i couldn't swim seems like i have always known how.

I am not fearful it is more like longing for me even though i have waterbased nightmares. It is difficult and seems somewhat conflicting. I do not really know how to explain it.

Have you done any research to find out if anyone was married on that ship?

[gaea]

The stigma was all too real for many years. Although the design and build of The Titanic was likely nothing to do with its sinking, many accusations were made at the time and in subsequent years.

The sinking of The Titanic was of great sadness for the City but it also damaged the City's pride. It is said to have mentally scarred the lives of many of those workers who, rightly or wrongly, felt partly responsible for the disaster. It is said that many took this sense of guilt to their graves.

It's only very recently that, as a people, we've embraced our Titanic heritage and, in part, it's because sufficient time has passed which fades the pain. In fact, I think it's largely because those who worked on The Titanic are now all dead and most of their sons and daughters are dead too so, which we can now celebrate / commemorate that heritage, we don't have the pain of some of our forefathers.


When The Titanic left Belfast in 1912, it was a confident and outward looking industrial powerhouse (Belfast was where the United States established their second overseas consultate / embassy).

However, it was also a time of significant sectarian conflict in the City between Protestants and Roman Catholics. Five months after The Titanic's sinking, more than 440,000 Protestant adults signed the Ulster Covenant at Belfast City Hall, effectively renouncing any form of Irish rule in Belfast, an incredible number given the adult population of the province was considerably less than one million.





Yes, I'm rather biased as I love Belfast so much but it's an incredibly warm and hospitable city that is very definitely worthy of a visit. The Titantic Visitor Centre looks very impressive from the outside and has received excellent reviews. When I last returned to Belfast two weeks ago, it had yet to open but I'm looking forward to visiting it on my next trip home.

this is so interesting to me.

[gaea]

Have you done any research to find out if anyone was married on that ship?

I have not yet....i thought about this when i woke up.

[Electrocell]

I have not yet....i thought about this when i woke up.

Would be interesting to find out.

[gaea]

Would be interesting to find out.

my research so far has not pulled up anything for a wedding that may have occurred on the ship..it has however pulled up various other things.

[Gráinne]

What many people don't realize is that the Titanic was meant to be one of three superliners going back and forth across the Atlantic. The White Star Line looked at the rivalry with the Cunard Line (Lusitania and Mauretania), and decided not to go for speed but for luxury-and the ships were supposed to be the last word in that, even in third class.

Olympic was finished first and had a long career, only ending in 1935. Britannic was finished with new safety features after the Titanic sank, but became a hospital ship and hit a mine off of Greece in 1914.

White Star Line was never quite the same; WWI and the Depression after that cut down on profits in the long run, as well as not so many immigrants, the real "bread and butter" of the line. I believe most of the great liners (Mauretania among them) were done by the mid 1930's.

[Ciaran]

I believe most of the great liners (Mauretania among them) were done by the mid 1930's.

Yes, it was. However, a successor, also called Mauretania, was constructed and continued to sail on transatlantic voyages for a number of decades. I met a number of people who sailed on the Mauretania in 1949 - they were members of the Belfast Celtic soccer team who toured the United States and Canada that summer.


A number of years ago, I obtained many of the personal artefacts of a famous European soccer star. Included amongst these artefacts were a number of itineraries, dinner menus and certificates for a number of transatlantic cruises in the 1940s and 1950s. It was interesting to note that passengers received certificates when completing some of these voyages .... It really does bring home the different era and how travelling long journeys on the seas must have been a real adventure and experience.

[Gráinne]

Yes, it was. However, a successor, also called Mauretania, was constructed and continued to sail on transatlantic voyages for a number of decades. I met a number of people who sailed on the Mauretania in 1949 - they were members of the Belfast Celtic soccer team who toured the United States and Canada that summer.


A number of years ago, I obtained many of the personal artefacts of a famous European soccer star. Included amongst these artefacts were a number of itineraries, dinner menus and certificates for a number of transatlantic cruises in the 1940s and 1950s. It was interesting to note that passengers received certificates when completing some of these voyages .... It really does bring home the different era and how travelling long journeys on the seas must have been a real adventure and experience.

Yes, if you could afford even a second-class ticket on one of those ships, how much fun that would have been compared to being sealed in a tube and shot across by air. It would have been different than the cruise ships of today, which are giant parties on water.

But then again, maybe the passengers of the Titanic's time didn't find it "fun", especially in third class. And I would not want to live 24/7 back then. I don't know how to say what I mean very well..but just to sit on the furnishings, or have a cup of tea on the deck :). It's a lost experience.

[gaea]

I have never been in a cruise ship however when I think about being on one my thoughts are often times that of me sitting on the deck with a book feeling the air and having the scent of the ocean all around me.

I often wonder why there aren't more stories of the engineers the employees the maids waiters waitresses etc. where are all their stories ? it's really hard web I see how the second and third class passengers were forced to be locked down below ...I don't understand classism now and I probably never will.

[gaea]

there is that somethig beautiful about the titanic.

[princessbelle]

there is that something beautiful about the titanic.

I agree gaea. I have long loved the "Titanic" movies and attractions. There is one such attraction close to where i live, which is in Pigeon Forge. It was pretty cool with a lot of the memorabilia from the ship and the entire building is a replication of the bow of the Titanic and it even has the massive staircase and the clock at the top. There is an area that you can touch the water and feel how cold it was that night that it sank.

However, lately, i have had some different feelings as well. I have watched some of the documentaries on it and actually anything that i find i want to see it. The different feelings i have had of late, is of deep sadness.

The lives lost, the tormented third class passengers locked below and drowned just because of their class, as well as some higher class folks.

I guess it's really all of these things to me...

Grand
Beautiful
Mysterious
and of late...Very Sad.

All in all it is quite the ship and quite the story.

[gaea]

I agree gaea. I have long loved the "Titanic" movies and attractions. There is one such attraction close to where i live, which is in Pigeon Forge. It was pretty cool with a lot of the memorabilia from the ship and the entire building is a replication of the bow of the Titanic and it even has the massive staircase and the clock at the top. There is an area that you can touch the water and feel how cold it was that night that it sank.

However, lately, i have had some different feelings as well. I have watched some of the documentaries on it and actually anything that i find i want to see it. The different feelings i have had of late, is of deep sadness.

The lives lost, the tormented third class passengers locked below and drowned just because of their class, as well as some higher class folks.

I guess it's really all of these things to me...

Grand
Beautiful
Mysterious
and of late...Very Sad.

All in all it is quite the ship and quite the story.


It is, maybe ill get to pigeon forge too. What was your experinace like when you wen there?

[JAGG]

Wow Gaea my 8yr old neice has a strange obsession with it too. She kind of wore me out this weekend with it. We had to watch 2 movies that were airing on tv yesterday and I bought her a book at the mall when we were out yesterday, about the titanic. She just had to have it.
She has a strange obsession with Will Rogers too. Who knows? But I believe she is an "old" soul so no telling what's behind it all. I guess she could be obsessed about worse things right?

[princessbelle]

It is, maybe ill get to pigeon forge too. What was your experinace like when you wen there?

Well they try and make it realistic. They give you a card and you are then "one of the passengers" The card has their specific history on it and what they were like at the time. I think i was some sort of maid to a rich family, if i remember correctly, then you go through and see a bunch of dinnerware and clothes and suitcases and all sorts of things from the ship.

At the end you find out if you lived or died.

I died...i think.

It was so very sad :( BUT a great experience and very fascinating.

[gaea]

Wow Gaea my 8yr old neice has a strange obsession with it too. She kind of wore me out this weekend with it. We had to watch 2 movies that were airing on tv yesterday and I bought her a book at the mall when we were out yesterday, about the titanic. She just had to have it.
She has a strange obsession with Will Rogers too. Who knows? But I believe she is an "old" soul so no telling what's behind it all. I guess she could be obsessed about worse things right?

yes there could be a lot worse things in life. it's good she has an interest in something historical.

Well they try and make it realistic. They give you a card and you are then "one of the passengers" The card has their specific history on it and what they were like at the time. I think i was some sort of maid to a rich family, if i remember correctly, then you go through and see a bunch of dinnerware and clothes and suitcases and all sorts of things from the ship.

At the end you find out if you lived or died.

I died...i think.

It was so very sad :( BUT a great experience and very fascinating.

that sounds like a rather amazing experience. :) now one I hope to have myself.

[macele]

before you enter the museum, they offer a radio type deal, ... rent. some exhibits tell a story about the things (like, a life jacket from the titanic) found in the titanic. rent the radio, you'll enjoy more so with it.

the same niece i went with to the museum, she did a storyboard for school about the titanic. there seems to be a big interest with young girls.

[LaneyDoll]

Gaea, I think you and I are long lost relatives. I have always had a fascination with everything Titanic. I have had nightmares involving water but learned how to swim at a very early age so I am not scared of water.

I once had someone do a past life reading on me and everything she touched on is something that I am fascinated with. Titanic, Japanese culture related to the time period of the Geisha etc.

So, perhaps my intrigue is based on memory. It is hard to say. It could be that the last moments of Titanic, the last time Titanic and many of those aboard saw life happened on my birthday (although 61 years prior).

Whatever the reason, that connection does seem to exist.

:sparklyheart:

[macele]

this might be of interest to you all. i think it is this video that talks about connections.

http://www.pbs.org/special/titanic-100-year-anniversary/

[gaea]

Gaea, I think you and I are long lost relatives. I have always had a fascination with everything Titanic. I have had nightmares involving water but learned how to swim at a very early age so I am not scared of water.

I once had someone do a past life reading on me and everything she touched on is something that I am fascinated with. Titanic, Japanese culture related to the time period of the Geisha etc.

So, perhaps my intrigue is based on memory. It is hard to say. It could be that the last moments of Titanic, the last time Titanic and many of those aboard saw life happened on my birthday (although 61 years prior).

Whatever the reason, that connection does seem to exist.

:sparklyheart:

Reading this gave me chills. Ive never met anyone else who suffers water based nightmares..

I too believe in the "soul" memories

[cinderella]

Relieved? How so? That seems an odd comment.

I too have had a fascination with all things Titanic. I guess all tragedies have some sort of fascination...why this is, I can't say, but it's true. Something about the horrificness of such disasters that seem to fascinate - like watching a building that's on fire - it's perverse, but we can't seem to help it.

Every April 15, I say a small prayer for all those lost souls of The Titanic. My heart hurts when I think of that tragedy. I imagine myself amongst those still on the ship while it was going down, but nothing I can ever imagine can ever come close to the reality. I esp think about the children, and how terrified they must've been. More then 1500 souls lost their lives that horrible night. May they all rest in peace. Stories like the sinking of Titanic has struck fear in my heart, and keeps me from ever going on a cruise, or boats going out in deep water.

I am so glad there is another..here at least we are about to celebrate 100 years...

Im saddened by this event and yet somehow relieved by it at the same time.

[gaea]

Relieved? How so? That seems an odd comment.

I too have had a fascination with all things Titanic. I guess all tragedies have some sort of fascination...why this is, I can't say, but it's true. Something about the horrificness of such disasters that seem to fascinate - like watching a building that's on fire - it's perverse, but we can't seem to help it.

Every April 15, I say a small prayer for all those lost souls of The Titanic. My heart hurts when I think of that tragedy. I imagine myself amongst those still on the ship while it was going down, but nothing I can ever imagine can ever come close to the reality. I esp think about the children, and how terrified they must've been. More then 1500 souls lost their lives that horrible night. May they all rest in peace. Stories like the sinking of Titanic has struck fear in my heart, and keeps me from ever going on a cruise, or boats going out in deep water.

I cant explain the feeling of relief or even why I had that feeling, i am not even sure from where it came just that it was there.

[Ciaran]

Ive never met anyone else who suffers water based nightmares..

I too believe in the "soul" memories
I
I'm no expert on dreams but I'm pretty sure that water-related dreams and nightmares are relatively common and that has been the case long before The Titanic was ever thought of (think of Shakespeare's The Tempest for references to water-related dreams).

I experience water-related nightmares regularly but these are tsunami / wall of water related, sometimes terrifying and totally unrelated to The Titanic in anyway.