Is Starbucks blaming the victim?

[SuperFemme]

16-Year-Old Starbucks Barista Sues Over 'Sex Demands' at Work

An "alarmingly high" number of high school students are reporting sexual advances from their adult bosses and other supervisors at some of the country's best known fast food operations, according to an official of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

"It's an incredibly serious problem," said Bill Cash of the EEOC in an interview to be broadcast tonight on the ABC News program "20/20."
"Employers that choose to use high school kids to work have a responsibility to protect these young people," Cash said. "We don't want them to be fondled, we don't want them to be raped."
Watch "20/20" tonight at 10 p.m. for the full report.

The issue is being raised in a number of lawsuits, including cases now pending in California against Starbucks and a McDonald's franchise owner.
CLICK HERE TO READ MORE. (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Teen/)
(http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Teen/)
Kati Moore of Orange County, CA claims a 24-year old supervisor at Starbucks made almost daily demands on her for sex, months after she began working as a 16-year old barista.

I felt like I didn't have a choice," Moore, now 20, told ABC News."I was ashamed and embarrassed. And I felt like he had complete control over my job... he knew all this stuff about my family and my friends and my school."

She says the supervisor would summon her for sex in hundreds of text messages, including one that said, "I'd liked to f--- tomorrow."
"It was an everyday, numerous times a day occurrence," Moore said. "And I just saw it and did what I had to do."

She says other Starbucks supervisors and managers knew what was happening but did nothing to stop the illicit relationship.

After the young woman's mother learned of the relationship, she alerted prosecutors who brought criminal charges against the Starbucks employee, Tim Horton. After claiming he did not know the barista was 16 years-old, Horton pleaded guilty to a felony charge of illegal sex with a minor and served four months in prison.

The family has sued Starbucks claiming the company failed in its responsibility to protect the young woman from Horton.

Starbucks executives declined to be interviewed but in a statement the company said, "These two employees concealed their relationship from Starbucks, which violated company policy. We are confident that the case will ultimately be resolved in finding that Starbucks is not at fault."
(http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/Starbucks%20Statement.pdf)
Starbucks Statement (http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/Starbucks%20Statement.pdf)

[Apocalipstic]

16-Year-Old Starbucks Barista Sues Over 'Sex Demands' at Work

An "alarmingly high" number of high school students are reporting sexual advances from their adult bosses and other supervisors at some of the country's best known fast food operations, according to an official of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

"It's an incredibly serious problem," said Bill Cash of the EEOC in an interview to be broadcast tonight on the ABC News program "20/20."
"Employers that choose to use high school kids to work have a responsibility to protect these young people," Cash said. "We don't want them to be fondled, we don't want them to be raped."
Watch "20/20" tonight at 10 p.m. for the full report.

The issue is being raised in a number of lawsuits, including cases now pending in California against Starbucks and a McDonald's franchise owner.
CLICK HERE TO READ MORE. (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Teen/)
(http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Teen/)
Kati Moore of Orange County, CA claims a 24-year old supervisor at Starbucks made almost daily demands on her for sex, months after she began working as a 16-year old barista.

I felt like I didn't have a choice," Moore, now 20, told ABC News."I was ashamed and embarrassed. And I felt like he had complete control over my job... he knew all this stuff about my family and my friends and my school."

She says the supervisor would summon her for sex in hundreds of text messages, including one that said, "I'd liked to f--- tomorrow."
"It was an everyday, numerous times a day occurrence," Moore said. "And I just saw it and did what I had to do."

She says other Starbucks supervisors and managers knew what was happening but did nothing to stop the illicit relationship.

After the young woman's mother learned of the relationship, she alerted prosecutors who brought criminal charges against the Starbucks employee, Tim Horton. After claiming he did not know the barista was 16 years-old, Horton pleaded guilty to a felony charge of illegal sex with a minor and served four months in prison.

The family has sued Starbucks claiming the company failed in its responsibility to protect the young woman from Horton.

Starbucks executives declined to be interviewed but in a statement the company said, "These two employees concealed their relationship from Starbucks, which violated company policy. We are confident that the case will ultimately be resolved in finding that Starbucks is not at fault."
(http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/Starbucks%20Statement.pdf)
Starbucks Statement (http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/Starbucks%20Statement.pdf)







I am really glad times have changed since we were teenagers and people now care about this sexual harrassment and abuse. No one did 30 years ago it seems.

I do wish there were more of an effort to let young girls know that they don't have to participate and that unless they are homeless or responsible for their own upkeep, it is not the end of the world if they have to quit jobs or turn their managers in.

Maybe as more cases like this are prosecuted, this type of thing will stop or at least lessen.

PS. adds and to young guys too, it happens all the time. One of my friend's son is a checker at a grocery store and so many of the women who shop there hit on him and say disgustimg things to him and he is just a kid. One just buys giant cucumbers and lube. He has started calling his manager when she comes in to check her out.

[SuperFemme]

I am really glad times have changed since we were teenagers and people now care about this sexual harrassment and abuse. No one did 30 years ago it seems.

I do wish there were more of an effort to let young girls know that they don't have to participate and that unless they are homeless or responsible for their own upkeep, it is not the end of the world if they have to quit jobs or turn their managers in.

Maybe as more cases like this are prosecuted, this type of thing will stop or at least lessen.

I agree. None of the fast food or beverage chains have training related to teen employee's and sexual harassment.

On Good Morning America they played excerpts of tonights upcoming 20/20 and the Starbucks atty.'s were grilling this girl. They asked her if she had sex before working there, and she had. Therefore, they end up implying she got what she asked for.

My latte was kind of bitter this morning.

[suebee]

"Tim Horton"? You have GOT to be kidding!

[SuperFemme]

"Tim Horton"? You have GOT to be kidding!

I don't get it. :canada:

[suebee]

I don't get it. :canada:

"Tim Horton's" is the largest coffee/doughnut franchise in :canada:. Peach works for them. So this is a real story?

[SuperFemme]

"Tim Horton's" is the largest coffee/doughnut franchise in :canada:. Peach works for them. So this is a real story?

Yes it is. Try clicking the links in the story for more.

[Linus]

It is a real story. Horton is still a common family name and they may or may not be aware of the famous franchise to the north (given it's in California).

I do think that the corporation should have taken a way different stance on this given that she is stating that she was NOT interested or involved with supervisor. Their message is suggesting, IMO, that even if you were forced to participate (at fear of losing job, friends, etc.) then you were "agreeing". And that, plain and simple, is wrong. I hope they get their asses served on a platter.

[SuperFemme]

It is a real story. Horton is still a common family name and they may or may not be aware of the famous franchise to the north (given it's in California).

I do think that the corporation should have taken a way different stance on this given that she is stating that she was NOT interested or involved with supervisor. Their message is suggesting, IMO, that even if you were forced to participate (at fear of losing job, friends, etc.) then you were "agreeing". And that, plain and simple, is wrong. I hope they get their asses served on a platter.

That is what my line of thinking is too Linus.

If you watch the video where they ask if she had sex BEFORE working there. With Anyone. It is an intentional attempt to smear her name/character. I was waiting for them to accuse her of wearing that green apron in a suggestive manner....

Good Lord!

[Apocalipstic]

I have any though of blaming the victim, she is 16 legally a child.

Though, in the case of a 24 year old supervisor, the companies need to have training so they (the supervirors) know what is an is not acceptable and legal with no question.

[suebee]

The suits at Starbucks sure do have a funny definition of what a "relationship" is. I wonder if they'd consider it a "relationship" if one of their daughters was involved in a similar situation?

[Andrew, Jr.]

Cybersuebee,

I was thinking the same exact thing.

[NJFemmie]

It is a real story. Horton is still a common family name and they may or may not be aware of the famous franchise to the north (given it's in California).

I do think that the corporation should have taken a way different stance on this given that she is stating that she was NOT interested or involved with supervisor. Their message is suggesting, IMO, that even if you were forced to participate (at fear of losing job, friends, etc.) then you were "agreeing". And that, plain and simple, is wrong. I hope they get their asses served on a platter.

This is ridiculous on Starbuck's part because this describes quid pro quo
which is against the law. They would know this if they engaged in PROPER workplace violence/sexual harassment training. (Not just handing an employee a piece of paper at the time of employment that states what not to do and hope the employee READS it, let alone doesn't do it).

[SuperFemme]

What strikes me most as the mother of two teenage daughters is that there is NO specific training regarding underage employees. One daughter works at Wal-Mart and I am sure I don't have to go into the horrors of just being an employee there. I would hate for somebody in management (because management is mostly men) to pressure my kid. I will be sitting down with both of them for a chat.

[morningstar55]

"Tim Horton's" is the largest coffee/doughnut franchise in :canada:. Peach works for them. So this is a real story?

HAHA.......... my thoughts exactly...... lol
they have tim hortons.... in up state /western NY , upper Pa. Ohio..... as well.
I LOVE there coffee....
its just ahh to wierd this guy has that name..... and managed a .. lol starbucks

[suebee]

HAHA.......... my thoughts exactly...... lol
they have tim hortons.... in up state /western NY , upper Pa. Ohio..... as well.
I LOVE there coffee....
its just ahh to wierd this guy has that name..... and managed a .. lol starbucks

Whew! I'm glad I'm not alone. Not in anyway wanting to detract from the seriousness of the topic of the thread, but if the guy's name had have been Duncan Donuts.....:|

[apretty]

starbucks is the devil, i just knew it!

[SuperFemme]

starbucks is the devil, i just knew it!

Right? Now I have to find a new coffee. Dammit.

[suebee]

Right? Now I have to find a new coffee. Dammit.

Might I suggest Tim Hortons? :dance2:

[SuperFemme]

Might I suggest Tim Hortons? :dance2:

Well. They don't have that here. I live in a rural community, so there is Starbucks and I think a family owned place that never seems to be open.

If I ever live somewhere or travel somewhere I have already made a promise to myself to try the Horton place. Their donuts fascinate me.

[Lynn]

In 1979, I was fired from a job at a taco joint (not Taco Bell) because I refused the advances of the boss one too many times. He would try to grab my butt and I finally told him, outright, to stop. Idiot. The next day, I came in and my time card was missing and I was told they no longer needed me. The sad thing is that I was the one who was so embarrassed that I could barely look at them. I felt ashamed, even though I knew I did nothing wrong.

I'm sorry for what happened to this girl--and to many others, still, no doubt. I'm glad it's being called out and publicized, and not impressed at all with Starbucks right now. Damn.

[kannon]

I'm amazed that some people don't realize the following is sexual harassment:

Unintentional - Acts or comments of a sexual nature, not intended to harass, can constitute sexual harassment if another person feels uncomfortable with such subjects.

[Kenna]

It is a real story. Horton is still a common family name and they may or may not be aware of the famous franchise to the north (given it's in California).

I do think that the corporation should have taken a way different stance on this given that she is stating that she was NOT interested or involved with supervisor. Their message is suggesting, IMO, that even if you were forced to participate (at fear of losing job, friends, etc.) then you were "agreeing". And that, plain and simple, is wrong. I hope they get their asses served on a platter.

I was going though a lot last year when this thread was started...I missed it.
Does anyone have/know of an update?
Did they get their asses served on a platter? :praying:
This kind of thing ENRAGES me, not just because of the injustice of it all, but because they are re-victimizing the victim!! and I also suffered something similar. It hits home and I know what it's like to not be protected from the assault (the Vice President would tell me that I needed to "look past" the perpetrator's angry outbursts and sexual advances because "he has a lot on his mind as a Project Manager and he's under a lot of stress") , not having the funds to hire a lawyer, not knowing there were federal laws that could have protected me after the State of Virigina told me they "didn't have a law about unlawful termination" and that I was SOL...and I also felt ashamed that I lost my job....when none of it was my fault that a Project Manager (who ended up being a "silent partner" in the company) harassed me for 8 months (telling me I "needed a real man") and tried to lock me in a storage room and assault me, then have me fired 3 days later.

I am so glad I was never a Starbucks fan (Hawaiian Isles Kona addict here)... but I will certainly never buy another gift card from them to give to friends.
How they treated this girl really makes me sick.

[Kenna]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Teen/starbucks-settles-teen-barista-sex-demands-work/story?id=10827639

By VIC WALTER and MEGAN CHUCHMACH
June 4, 2010

Just weeks before a harassment lawsuit was set to go to trial, coffee giant Starbucks has settled out of court for an undisclosed amount with a young woman who said the company failed to protect her from almost daily demands for sex by a store manager.

Kati Moore, now 20, says the demands began when she was 16 years old working as a barista in California. She claimed 24-year-old supervisor Tim Horton would summon her for sex in hundreds of text messages, including one that said, "I'd like to f--- tomorrow."

Neither Moore nor Starbucks would discuss the terms of the deal or whether the company would create a policy for protecting teenage employees from sexual harassment, as Moore had wanted.

Moore's case was featured in a "20/20" investigation into the sexual harassment of teens in the workplace that aired in January. The "20/20" report also included other alleged cases of sexual harassment of teen workers at such popular chains as McDonald's and Taco Bell. One in three high school students reported unwanted sexual advances in the workplace, according to a study in Maine.
Photo: Woman Claims Starbucks Supervisor Pressured Her Into Sex
ABC News
Moore tells ABC News she felt pressured to have sex with her supervisor at Starbucks. Watch 20/20 for the full story.

CLICK HERE TO WATCH PART 1 OF THE '20/20' REPORT

CLICK HERE TO WATCH PART 2 OF THE '20/20' REPORT

Sexual harassment expert Susan Strauss, who was interviewed as part of the original "20/20" investigation, said she is happy for Moore "that she doesn't have to go through re-victimization on the witness stand in a courtroom."

Moore previously claimed other Starbucks supervisors and managers knew what was happening but did nothing to stop the illicit relationship.

Moore's mother alerted prosecutors after learning of the relationship. Horton claimed he did not know Moore was 16. He pleaded guilty to a felony charge of illegal sex with a minor and served four months in prison.

At the time of the "20/20" report, Starbucks released a statement that said, "These two employees concealed their relationship from Starbucks, which violated company policy. We are confident that the case will ultimately be resolved in finding that Starbucks is not at fault."

Starbucks says it does have a strict policy against sexual harassment and managers dating baristas, but there is nothing specific in its policies regarding relationships with teens under the age of 18.

What happened to Moore is not uncommon, experts told ABC News. The problem is especially prevalent in fast food restaurants where so many teenagers have their first jobs, said Dr. Strauss.

"They're vulnerable, they're young, they're new to the workforce," said Strauss.

[Strappie]

My Niece at the age of 16 was sexually harrassed by her boss at a major Shopping Center (I will not name the Center) Needless to say She told her mom and dad about it. They of course listened but let her handle it till it became out of hand. She liked working there but was so terrified of her boss. One night leaving work she had a note on her car... Saying I'm watching you... She immediately called Home and her dad drove out there (it's a town of about 20,000 so most people for the most part know each other) and followed her home. On every night shift she would have family either pick her up or follow her. The next day her mom made her go into work and tell the manager, which happened to be a guy, but she also told her to call the HR person and bring her with her. My sister wanted her to stand up for herself and take charge and of course my sister would go in if there was a second meeting needed. Needless to say.. This manager had touched her on several occasions saying highly inappropriate things to her while working. They eventually fired him, not until after they caught him on camera putting a note on her car. She had saved all the "notes" that were left on her car and copied them and gave the copies to the HR department and the police because now they were involved.

It's a Damn sad thing. She was 16 and the guy was in his 40's. Sick bastards to threaten and get away with this sort of stuff.

[AtLast]

I'm amazed that some people don't realize the following is sexual harassment:

Unintentional - Acts or comments of a sexual nature, not intended to harass, can constitute sexual harassment if another person feels uncomfortable with such subjects.

I have certainly felt uncomfortable harassed in a sexual manner due to comments- and not just when I was younger. And we know that many people not only are subjected to comments, but actions.

I can see where young employees are very vulnerable within these kinds of jobs. Often, teens really just don't know what to do to stop this stuff and really don't have much peer support in doing so. Plus, there are people that minimize other people's discomfort based upon their own non-discomfort. We all have different sensitivities.

This kind of reminds me of when someone is driving like an ass and a passenger is scared and asked that they stop. They don't, laugh and continue to drive in a way that scares the other person. When someone says- "That is scaring me or I don't care to hear that"- it ought to be stopped. Not fodder for teasing or making a judgment about the person. Even if I don’t understand why someone else is uncomfortable with something I am saying, I need to just honor their request. I don’t have to have the same take on it. That isn’t the point.