Did a civil war just start?

[WheatToast]

If a certain social media spot (that rhymes with SpaceLook) is any indication, the addition of Trump sympathizer Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court marks the third and final segment of the Federal Government to be invaded by a man or men in a position to let Trump's many crimes* go unpunished.
If the number of protesters and arrests are any indication, this Supreme Court scam could be the last straw for Democrats, liberals and progressives going high when they go low.
I spent a good chunk of the evening swatting at MAGA-maniacs and encouraging my more temperate friends to start using the F word with gusto.
I may not own a gun, but I can talk so much smack, some of them might want to shoot themselves.
:fastdraq:

*please don't say he's innocent until proven guilty--his lawyer Michael Cohen already confessed to felony campaign finance violations (using campaign funds to pay off Trump's humps), thus making Trump an unindicted co-conspirator. No quibbling, please.

[tantalizingfemme]

Nope. It's already been happening. Just ask anyone who is Black, Hispanic, Native American,an immigrant, transgender, etc. White women are just another subset to add to the group. And let's be honest, for all of those women who fall under the groups I mentioned above, what is happening now is nothing new to them. It's the white woman that is now feeling it. I cannot even imagine what a non-white woman has been thinking watching this because because they have been dealing with this and fighting forever.

It would be an absolute insult to millions who have already been fighting for their rights to insinuate that a Civil War is now starting simply because white women are affected.

[C0LLETTE]

Nope. It's already been happening. Just ask anyone who is Black, Hispanic, Native American,an immigrant, transgender, etc. White women are just another subset to add to the group. And let's be honest, for all of those women who fall under the groups I mentioned above, what is happening now is nothing new to them. It's the white woman that is now feeling it. I cannot even imagine what a non-white woman has been thinking watching this because because they have been dealing with this and fighting forever.

It would be an absolute insult to millions who have already been fighting for their rights to insinuate that a Civil War is now starting simply because white women are affected.

Ever think that a "Civil War" can't be won without every recruit you can get ...whenever they join.
Isn't it possible to support those who have long fought, "..anyone who is Black, Hispanic, Native American, an immigrant, transgender, etc.", without taking a back handed slap at those whose eyes are now being opened.

OK, they weren't there in force before but what exactly is the strategic benefit of bitterly reminding them now that they are energizing.

Want to win a war? Stop with the "holier than thou" crap and grab every woman that wants to stand, Every one has their reasons for engaging and as long as they do, who are you to make them "lessers".

[C0LLETTE]

BTW...I'm not entirely sure this is a "Civil War" or ever was, but it is a
catchy phrase.
Meaningful deadly skirmishes, yes; war, not yet and maybe never if minorities don't figure out how to welcome and fight together and forgive each other past failings.

[SaltyButch]

In reading the posts I don't think anyone is trying to make someone feel "less than" merely pointing out the long fought struggle. Yes it's important that anyone who wants to salvage any shred of humanity be galvanized,we would be better served by motivating rather than immobilizing people by our words. It is in fact the ever present criticism of one's opinion which thwarts others from being spoken.

A Civil war in my opinion is brewing if not already here because the mere existence of any civility has been lost between the People and their government. I as a Canadian keep a watchful eye because the permeation of the hate is seeping across our borders and I'm not sure if we are being as mindful as we should be.

[tantalizingfemme]

Ever think that a "Civil War" can't be won without every recruit you can get ...whenever they join.
Isn't it possible to support those who have long fought, "..anyone who is Black, Hispanic, Native American, an immigrant, transgender, etc.", without taking a back handed slap at those whose eyes are now being opened.

OK, they weren't there in force before but what exactly is the strategic benefit of bitterly reminding them now that they are energizing.

Want to win a war? Stop with the "holier than thou" crap and grab every woman that wants to stand, Every one has their reasons for engaging and as long as they do, who are you to make them "lessers".

Yeah, not attacking anyone. Merely pointing out this is nothing new. Am I happy white women are energized? Of course, I am one of them.

Glad that is all you got from what I wrote. The fact that your response was to automatically be defensive is interesting.

[kittygrrl]

Nope. It's already been happening. Just ask anyone who is Black, Hispanic, Native American,an immigrant, transgender, etc. White women are just another subset to add to the group. And let's be honest, for all of those women who fall under the groups I mentioned above, what is happening now is nothing new to them. It's the white woman that is now feeling it. I cannot even imagine what a non-white woman has been thinking watching this because because they have been dealing with this and fighting forever.

It would be an absolute insult to millions who have already been fighting for their rights to insinuate that a Civil War is now starting simply because white women are affected.

i tend to agree, independant moderate/liberal women outnumber white males and conservative women base, but getting them energized enough to vote has always been the problem. the d.c. senate/representatives will never get anywhere playing"fair"..the majority just eats their lunch everytime..they look weak and mostly, no spine either.

[WheatToast]

Nope. It's already been happening. Just ask anyone who is Black, Hispanic, Native American,an immigrant, transgender, etc. White women are just another subset to add to the group. And let's be honest, for all of those women who fall under the groups I mentioned above, what is happening now is nothing new to them. It's the white woman that is now feeling it. I cannot even imagine what a non-white woman has been thinking watching this because because they have been dealing with this and fighting forever.

It would be an absolute insult to millions who have already been fighting for their rights to insinuate that a Civil War is now starting simply because white women are affected.

I hope you aren't assuming I am a 100% white woman.
It's Wheat toast, not white toast. :byebye:

[tantalizingfemme]

I hope you aren't assuming I am a 100% white woman.
It's Wheat toast, not white toast. :byebye:

I never make assumptions about anyone. Ever. I hope you weren't assuming that I was.

[WheatToast]

BTW...I'm not entirely sure this is a "Civil War" or ever was, but it is a
catchy phrase.
Meaningful deadly skirmishes, yes; war, not yet and maybe never if minorities don't figure out how to welcome and fight together and forgive each other past failings.

It was a phrase, nothing more. I was up till the wee hours on another site, totally crushed over the judicial branch of the Federal government falling victim to the addition of yet another trump acolyte/enabler.
Now all three branches have been corrupted. It's upsetting.
But not everything I write is meant to be taken literally. I somehow doubt we'll be drafted into a civil war. I mean, really?
And I fail to see how this issue has been categorized as primarily a minority issue.
It is an issue about a corrupt president who had committed countless felonies across the board, and possibly having a stooge on the Supreme Court poised to let him go scot free on all counts, yes, even the minority immigration crimes.
But I happen to think Trump's probable conspiracy with Russia to steal the election takes priority over all the other crimes.
:readfineprint:

[WheatToast]

This "civil war" situation started as an issue about a corrupt president who has committed countless felonies across the board, and him possibly having a stooge on the Supreme Court poised to let him go scot free on all counts-- yes, even the heartless minority immigration crimes of separating babies from their mamas and housing toddlers in chain link cages, like dogs.
That's just one more case that sucks, but you have to remember, he does some new horrid thing almost daily and it's hard to keep up, much less keep them triaged in the midst of yesterday's tidal wave of the worst news in years.
The tidal wave was him now having stooges in every branch of the Federal Government, and knowing he may never have to pay for anything he's done.

I happen to think Trump's probable conspiracy with Russia to steal the election takes priority over all the other crimes, because democracy as we know it may be ending as a result.
That feels more urgent to me right now than anything else, and I did not like the immediate implication(s) that I was being callous and cold and possibly "too white" toward the issue of immigrant babies held in cages without their parents. That was a fucking stretch, considering.

( Intenta saber de qué estás hablando antes de saltar a la crítica)

I'm allowed to prioritize my biggest concerns first, but I felt jumped the moment I posted. I don't mean I felt defensive--I mean I felt jumped, as in "contempt prior to investigation."

What kind of way is that to treat a shook up ally?

It seems like that son of a bitch Trump wants to cripple our economy, harpoon our relationships with allies, kill NATO and NAFDA, allow Kim Jong Un to make an ass of him, then watching Trump plan another little slumber party with Putin this fall without the state department knowing a thing about it.
But I really don't feel like sword fighting about that which I think is the most worrysome aspect of this latest development, versus what others may think.
Who was keeping anyone from writing their own version? Not I.

I wanted to vent my worries and perhaps find a gentle soul who could tell me everything was going to be all right even if they had to fib a little.

But I believe I could have found more tenderness and understanding from reptiles rather than some of the gun jumpers who pounced too soon.
Yes, I may be raw and especially thin skinned after being up almost all night reading about this latest nightmare and worrying myself sick over it.
So--
Who wants to pile on next?
How about a stern lecture about my reaction to feeling jumped?

Jeeze.

[kittygrrl]

This "civil war" situation started as an issue about a corrupt president who has committed countless felonies across the board, and him possibly having a stooge on the Supreme Court poised to let him go scot free on all counts-- yes, even the heartless minority immigration crimes of separating babies from their mamas and housing toddlers in chain link cages, like dogs.
That's just one more case that sucks, but you have to remember, he does some new horrid thing almost daily and it's hard to keep up, much less keep them triaged in the midst of yesterday's tidal wave of the worst news in years.
The tidal wave was him now having stooges in every branch of the Federal Government, and knowing he may never have to pay for anything he's done.

I happen to think Trump's probable conspiracy with Russia to steal the election takes priority over all the other crimes, because democracy as we know it may be ending as a result.
That feels more urgent to me right now than anything else, and I did not like the immediate implication(s) that I was being callous and cold and possibly "too white" toward the issue of immigrant babies held in cages without their parents. That was a fucking stretch, considering.

( Intenta saber de qué estás hablando antes de saltar a la crítica)

I'm allowed to prioritize my biggest concerns first, but I felt jumped the moment I posted. I don't mean I felt defensive--I mean I felt jumped, as in "contempt prior to investigation."

What kind of way is that to treat a shook up ally?

It seems like that son of a bitch Trump wants to cripple our economy, harpoon our relationships with allies, kill NATO and NAFDA, allow Kim Jong Un to make an ass of him, then watching Trump plan another little slumber party with Putin this fall without the state department knowing a thing about it.
But I really don't feel like sword fighting about that which I think is the most worrysome aspect of this latest development, versus what others may think.
Who was keeping anyone from writing their own version? Not I.

I wanted to vent my worries and perhaps find a gentle soul who could tell me everything was going to be all right even if they had to fib a little.

But I believe I could have found more tenderness and understanding from reptiles rather than some of the gun jumpers who pounced too soon.
Yes, I may be raw and especially thin skinned after being up almost all night reading about this latest nightmare and worrying myself sick over it.
So--
Who wants to pile on next?
How about a stern lecture about my reaction to feeling jumped?

Jeeze.
Toast, sorry if you felt disrespected or ignored. I think people saw your post and processed it according to their own experience, so shared how they see the world currently - rather then deliberating engaging in being negative to you personally. I think you have a mad (ie, mad skills) intellect and you have a unique and open way of sharing..thank you!

[JDeere]

I too apologize that you feel attacked or jumped on. I totally get it. Politics gets everyone fired up these days.

[WheatToast]

Ever think that a "Civil War" can't be won without every recruit you can get ...whenever they join.
Isn't it possible to support those who have long fought, "..anyone who is Black, Hispanic, Native American, an immigrant, transgender, etc.", without taking a back handed slap at those whose eyes are now being opened.

Want to win a war? Stop with the "holier than thou" crap and grab every woman that wants to stand, Every one has their reasons for engaging and as long as they do, who are you to make them "lessers".

Nothing rude about that "holier than thou" comment, ey? If you are this quick to condemn before you know even a sliver of the whole story, can we assume you also are a 'premature congratulator'? :canadian:

[WheatToast]

Toast, sorry if you felt disrespected or ignored. I think people saw your post and processed it according to their own experience, so shared how they see the world currently - rather then deliberating engaging in being negative to you personally. I think you have a mad (ie, mad skills) intellect and you have a unique and open way of sharing..thank you!


Thanks so much, that was very kind of you to say. You owe me no apology.
I didn't feel ignored, just pounced on because it seemed like some others were quick to judge and prioritize what the topic of my post and my experience of it "should have been" according to their values or perceptions of the way I should have prioritized yesterday's events.
That they went off topic notwithstanding, for people to assume I was whitey white bread, therefore a Joanie come lately to the immigration struggle, and then jumping to the conclusion I thought it wasn't a big deal until I deigned to put my big pink hands all over it. That was presumptuous bullshit.
I am politically correct most of the time, but when people launch into passive aggressive insinuations without knowing one iota about the facts--or even the topic before they castigate--that's not PC, it's just obnoxious.
No need for apologies from anyone, though, I don't care what people say when they go off half cocked.
It's not about me, or even my business to know.

I live in South Central Texas--it's the state with the longest contiguous border with Mexico. My great grand parents could have very well crossed the same border 100 years ago.
I know a few DACA dreamers, and I have donated time and money toward ending these sadistic policies.
Trust me, it's a very personal, emotionally painful situation for many of us in the vicinity, but I'd prefer to discuss it when it's my idea.

But again, my original post was about the third and final level of the Federal government being breached by a very unpleasant Trump ally, and what that might mean to American democracy.

[kittygrrl]

Thanks so much, that was very kind of you to say. You owe me no apology.
I didn't feel ignored, just pounced on because it seemed like some others were quick to judge and prioritize what the topic of my post and my experience of it "should have been" according to their values or perceptions of the way I should have prioritized yesterday's events.
That they went off topic notwithstanding, for people to assume I was whitey white bread, therefore a Joanie come lately to the immigration struggle, and then jumping to the conclusion I thought it wasn't a big deal until I deigned to put my big pink hands all over it. That was presumptuous bullshit.
I am politically correct most of the time, but when people launch into passive aggressive insinuations without knowing one iota about the facts--or even the topic before they castigate--that's not PC, it's just obnoxious.
No need for apologies from anyone, though, I don't care what people say when they go off half cocked.
It's not about me, or even my business to know.

I live in South Central Texas--it's the state with the longest contiguous border with Mexico. My great grand parents could have very well crossed the same border 100 years ago.
I know a few DACA dreamers, and I have donated time and money toward ending these sadistic policies.
Trust me, it's a very personal, emotionally painful situation for many of us in the vicinity, but I'd prefer to discuss it when it's my idea.

But again, my original post was about the third and final level of the Federal government being breached by a very unpleasant Trump ally, and what that might mean to American democracy.

Toast...on the day Trump was sworn into office and we had a million woman march the next day..i thought that would make an impression on Trump..it didn't...and unfortunately in the last 2 years, i don't believe the liberals have spent their political energy wisely..we have scattered, we fight among ourselves and i don't think the DNC has a decent plan to help win back rural america and state races..liberals(the minority) want to play fair -the conservatives(the majority) fight dirty..and the vast majority of Americans are more concerned with their bottom line then they are our freedom and democracy...so a war...probably not..at least not yet.:pirate-steer:

[RockOn]

tannerite ... and lots of it

please don't anyone go getting upset, I am just kidding (kind of)

[Orema]

Nope. It's already been happening. Just ask anyone who is Black, Hispanic, Native American,an immigrant, transgender, etc. White women are just another subset to add to the group. And let's be honest, for all of those women who fall under the groups I mentioned above, what is happening now is nothing new to them. It's the white woman that is now feeling it. I cannot even imagine what a non-white woman has been thinking watching this because because they have been dealing with this and fighting forever.

It would be an absolute insult to millions who have already been fighting for their rights to insinuate that a Civil War is now starting simply because white women are affected.

I don't know how to thank you enough for this posting, tantalizingfemme.

I can barely speak about these things without literally choking up—the words get stuck in my throat and I become defensive.

I usually don't discuss these subjects with anyone outside my circle of friends. This isn't unusual with Black women my age—at least among those I know. It's easy for us to speak among each other, but not with those outside our circle because we're often accused of being divisive, petty, unsupporting, the list goes on ... and it's just not worth the headaches and heartaches we face. And no, I feel no responsibility to create any bridges.

So thank you for expressing something that I cannot or will not discuss. You get it.

Hoping one day we meet so I can thank you in person.

[C0LLETTE]

Gosh, I need a favour. Would someone please show me where WheatToast got "jumped on".
This is absurd. Want attention? Just write a vague indefinite post. Get indignant when people just don't get you and make "assumptions" about you ( as if they had some clear options based on a clearly stated thesis and a whole bunch of "knowing-you-for-years" details; then get all puffy 'cause few , if any "got it". The key is to write clearly so that people do "get you". It's not the grammar, it's the " which sentence indicates the point and mentions the "Russians" thing.

[kittygrrl]

according to pundits..the liberal base is energized:hangloose:...i hope so!

[Lyte]

I've bolded the bit to which I'm responding. :)

The irony here is... and I'm not disagreeing with you entirely... is that while "white women" might be a subset of an oppressed group, there's large chunk of white women who have (quite happily!) tethered themselves to men... to Trump... to the "oppressors" ... for lack of a better term. I don't know how else we can explain Collins' vote and/or the continued support for these morons by women of all shades ... except to suggest that they must be feeling a little ... better you than me!




Nope. It's already been happening. Just ask anyone who is Black, Hispanic, Native American,an immigrant, transgender, etc. White women are just another subset to add to the group. And let's be honest, for all of those women who fall under the groups I mentioned above, what is happening now is nothing new to them. It's the white woman that is now feeling it. I cannot even imagine what a non-white woman has been thinking watching this because because they have been dealing with this and fighting forever.

It would be an absolute insult to millions who have already been fighting for their rights to insinuate that a Civil War is now starting simply because white women are affected.

[Lyte]

I hate when the quote feature doesn't work right... so hit and miss. :p

To this... WheatToast ;)

I happen to think Trump's probable conspiracy with Russia to steal the election takes priority over all the other crimes, because democracy as we know it may be ending as a result. That feels more urgent to me right now than anything else, and I did not like the immediate implication(s) that I was being callous and cold and possibly "too white" toward the issue of immigrant babies held in cages without their parents. That was a fucking stretch, considering.

I totally agree. Whatever the fuck is going on in DC ... with Trump and his monkeys ... reaches into every crack and crevice of everyone's life. Addressing oppression, bigotry, inequality, etc... are of paramount importance but we'll hardly be able to address those if our economy... our security ... our cohesion as a nation ... etc... etc... are in the friggin' toilet. Figuratively speaking ... how can one bring peace and solidarity to members of a household when the house is literally collapsing all around them?

[tantalizingfemme]

I've bolded the bit to which I'm responding. :)

The irony here is... and I'm not disagreeing with you entirely... is that while "white women" might be a subset of an oppressed group, there's large chunk of white women who have (quite happily!) tethered themselves to men... to Trump... to the "oppressors" ... for lack of a better term. I don't know how else we can explain Collins' vote and/or the continued support for these morons by women of all shades ... except to suggest that they must be feeling a little ... better you than me!

I initially wasn't going to respond to this because having to explain once again in my life that no where did I say "all" is exhausting, as I already have to do this when I am confronted with not "all" men. (Because clearly I am not smart or aware enough to recognize that not everyone gets lumped into one category because of a few.) <insert eyeroll> But I am responding because I don't appreciate your assumption.

And so, after what I wrote in this thread, and have written in other political threads we both are involved in, you come here and infer that I am unaware that white women like Susan Collins and her ilk exist. Actually you don't infer, you tell me I am unaware by pointing out to me that "there's large chunk of white women who have (quite happily!) tethered themselves to men... to Trump... to the "oppressors" ... for lack of a better term" as if I had no idea. It's insulting.

I am glad there are other people who read what I wrote and got it.

[Martina]

I don't even understand this thread. Seriously. What is it about?

[dark_crystal]

I don't even understand this thread. Seriously. What is it about?

I feel like the OP was saying that the Judiciary was the last branch of government with some integrity and that the confirmation of Kavanaugh means that branch has joined the other two in having been taken over by the forces of evil, and that the fall of the judiciary is what marks our descent into war.

This was interpreted as the OP having said that the official addition of white women to oppressed classes marks our descent into war, and that is insulting because the war has been going on for centuries and white women just didn't know or care.

This makes sense if "the fall of the judiciary" and "the recent addition of white women to the oppressed class" are interchangeable statements, and that therefore, by stating the former the OP also implies the latter.

I have seen this a lot on twitter, but the rhetoric there is more "welcome to the struggle, here's a syllabus"

We have twelve years to save the planet. I am going to lecture the white women about their tardiness in year 13.

[kittygrrl]

so, we all acknowledge that most women who live in U.S. have woke? yay. i would have appreciated it had it happened sooner but, better late then never! Americans are fickle about mostly everything..not much attention span pass their neighborhood. It's the nature of the beast:byebye:

[Martina]

I read that Evangelical women in Texas are polling more strongly Democrat than in the past and that they could make the difference in the Senate race there.

I also saw an article on Trump voters who had been Obama voters but are coming back to vote for Democrats this election. Trump won on women rust belt voters who had flipped parties -- had been Obama voters -- and because African Americans in cities like Milwaukee didn't come out for Hillary. The Midterms aren't a Presidential election, and every election is different. But it is undeniable that these are gains.

[Lyte]

Whoa! :p lol

There was no assumption in my head or heart when I responded to your post. No assumption regarding all... or some... or many... not so much as f'ing baker's dozen. I was, in fact, agreeing with you and adding a wee caveat to the subset that you highlighted … white women.

Perhaps, in future, you might ask the author of the post clarify before assuming that they've assumed.

Whoa :blink:


I initially wasn't going to respond to this because having to explain once again in my life that no where did I say "all" is exhausting, as I already have to do this when I am confronted with not "all" men. (Because clearly I am not smart or aware enough to recognize that not everyone gets lumped into one category because of a few.) <insert eyeroll> But I am responding because I don't appreciate your assumption.

And so, after what I wrote in this thread, and have written in other political threads we both are involved in, you come here and infer that I am unaware that white women like Susan Collins and her ilk exist. Actually you don't infer, you tell me I am unaware by pointing out to me that "there's large chunk of white women who have (quite happily!) tethered themselves to men... to Trump... to the "oppressors" ... for lack of a better term" as if I had no idea. It's insulting.

I am glad there are other people who read what I wrote and got it.

[Lyte]

A couple of quick preface points...

1. This is not intended to hijack the thread from the OP's original intent or topic of the thread.

2. The assertion that there are (white) women still loyal to Trump even after the Ford/Kavanaugh hearing and confirmation isn't one that just popped into my head. I heard it several days ago on MSNBC and it made me go WTF?? :blink:

I just Googled and found a most interesting opinion piece on the subject. I've not read the whole thing (at work) but one sentence did jump out at me that might better explain the point I was trying to make in a previous post. The paragraph begins with...

"We’re talking about white women. The same 53 percent who put their racial privilege ahead of their second-class gender..."

If you'd like to check out the whole thing...

White Women, Come Get Your People
They will defend their privilege to the death.
(https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/opinion/lisa-murkowski-susan-collins-kavanaugh.html)

[Martina]

That's a given, that white women are heavily Republican. Not news. The Dems may be making inroads. But no shit, Sherlock. White college educated women have been the backbone of the Republican party since Eisenhower probably. Gender issues don't seem to affect their votes, unless it's abortion, and those who care deeply about that tend to be Republicans.

[dark_crystal]

I read that Evangelical women in Texas are polling more strongly Democrat than in the past and that they could make the difference in the Senate race there.

I also saw an article on Trump voters who had been Obama voters but are coming back to vote for Democrats this election. Trump won on women rust belt voters who had flipped parties -- had been Obama voters -- and because African Americans in cities like Milwaukee didn't come out for Hillary. The Midterms aren't a Presidential election, and every election is different. But it is undeniable that these are gains.

I am not seeing wokeness from Evangelical women.

My aunt, who was florist and bridesmaid at my wedding, has posted a Dr. Ford meme saying "are you sure it wasn't Bill Clinton who raped you?" and a Bill/Chelsea meme with Bill saying "did i rape the ugly one?" and Chelsea saying "Dad, that's mom."

[Martina]

This is where I read it. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/us/politics/texas-beto-orourke-evangelicals-women.html

My Evangelical relatives have posted some nasty memes, too. One early one basically called Dr. Ford a crybaby, so when Kavanaugh sniveled through his second hearing, I made a big point of mentioning his entitled whining.

[Martina]

Seriously, for Obama and Clinton, if you liked them, you can thank people of color.

[Lyte]

Me neither. I'm in Texas and I'm not seeing/hearing a lot of … I'm done with Trump!!

I'm actually okay with that (to some degree) so long as their voting follows this new inner voice.


I am not seeing wokeness from Evangelical women.

[Lyte]

Also not news... hope springs eternal Holmes.

;)


That's a given, that white women are heavily Republican. Not news. The Dems may be making inroads. But no shit, Sherlock.

[WheatToast]

I feel like the OP was saying that the Judiciary was the last branch of government with some integrity and that the confirmation of Kavanaugh means that branch has joined the other two in having been taken over by the forces of evil, and that the fall of the judiciary is what marks our descent into war.

This was interpreted as the OP having said that the official addition of white women to oppressed classes marks our descent into war, and that is insulting because the war has been going on for centuries and white women just didn't know or care.



That's precisely what I was saying. Thanks!:seeingstars:

[kittygrrl]

Did anyone watch the msnbc special last night on the vote? Most of the country is totally unaware and doesn't much care about Russia, the "me to" movement or that trump lies constantly...people in u.s are very short-sighted and take freedom for granted. No amount of shaming or warning will really move them until they "feel" it personally(on some level)..i think those of us who are woke, live in a bubble:|..which will probably burst at some point..we as liberals are almost as clueless as the conservatives..so pulling out your fur when it comes to trump won't get you anything or anywhere. I think (at some point) it's prudent to personally prepare for the consequences we are obviously in no mood to consider.:tea:

[Kätzchen]

If a certain social media spot (that rhymes with SpaceLook) is any indication, the addition of Trump sympathizer Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court marks the third and final segment of the Federal Government to be invaded by a man or men in a position to let Trump's many crimes* go unpunished.
If the number of protesters and arrests are any indication, this Supreme Court scam could be the last straw for Democrats, liberals and progressives going high when they go low.
I spent a good chunk of the evening swatting at MAGA-maniacs and encouraging my more temperate friends to start using the F word with gusto.
I may not own a gun, but I can talk so much smack, some of them might want to shoot themselves.
:fastdraq:

*please don't say he's innocent until proven guilty--his lawyer Michael Cohen already confessed to felony campaign finance violations (using campaign funds to pay off Trump's humps), thus making Trump an unindicted co-conspirator. No quibbling, please.

You haven't been around in an awfully long time, WT, but I can't help but think you were on to something, when you made your posts, months ago.

I can't help but think that maybe it's more than a 'civil' war.

I can't help but think how T***P has a penchant for suing anyone and everyone who stands in his way of getting what he thinks he wants, when all he wants, apparently, is to monopolize people's lives, time and money (what money, right?) with his inability to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Maybe when this A-hole fucks up enough people's lives, and the ability to support themselves or their families, people will demand this A-hole be removed from office and prosecuted to the hilt, before he ties up courts forever with his brand of jack-assery.

Wherever you are, I hope you're still fighting the good fight.

-K-

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[cathexis]

The socio-political environment is so full of rage. People seem to jumping in each others face. I see where it's coming from - Trump, but not sure where we're headed. Anti-Semitism is rampant. Where is that coming from? We aren't even in this equation, except the fact that we seem to be the default scape-goats. "Jews will not replace us." Where DID we get involved in the initial complaint? We weren't even a target then.

As a Jew, I am a target every time we dain to go out the door, not to mention the other things that they hate. TG, I am a quiet person. If I open my mouth, be sure that all is triple filtered, re-checking continuously. How is the recipient reacting to my words, claming up often. Ain't anonymity great?

Back to the purpose of this post - rage and civil war. I, too, believe that we're already in this stage, an active civil war complete with weapons. Free falling toward what, I don't know. It's beyond recognizable now. All this rage is scary, as a person who generally doesn't handle anger well. It's the most uncomfortable emotion for me. F bombs are becoming the first curse word out of folks mouth. In my speech, they're used for absolute emphasis. Many people seem angry all the time. Where is it all coming from?

When talking politics, the rage is palpable. What can people accomplish being so angry? One can't make political changes with anger, but maybe that's the point. The ability to discuss ends when someone displays anger. Hats off to mediators who deal with rage filled people.