Tall + femme = Not good ;)

Why does that = not good?
 

<~ 5'10" tall here so....why is that not good for you??

Here's some food for thought: http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/201...es-apocalypse/

Oddly enough I was thinking about this when I watched this week's episode: what would I do if there was a zombie apocalypse (or similar)? Would I have to break into every pharmacy, steal all the T I can and lug it around, protecting it (and necessary needles)? A hysto would allow for a stretched out usage and certainly natural methods could help but..

Because most MTF/ Butch want to be the taller person in the relationship ...

Well, I'm sure you're saying this from experience—but I find it hard to accept as a generalization.

If it's true, then I'd think that was sad, that such a sexist value was being adopted and applied to pollute a new paradigm—because it denigrates the beauty of tall femmes. My sisters.

Thank YOU!

5' 9" here and I tell any interested party pretty quickly that I am this tall...my height has never deterred the butches and guys of only the best kind...

People may have a preference and so be it--one cannot force physical attraction be it height, body shape etc. If that's the case, ok, no harm done.

Not to mention, it can work the OTHER way around. There may be taller femmes who just aren't attracted to guys who are under a certain height as well. It's possible.

Maybe i have just ran into the wrong ones so far :tea:

Hang in there. Someone who accepts your strengths, your weaknesses; your past, your present; your uniqueness and your ordinariness will have no problem accepting your height. And loving it.

I consider myself lucky. I have had some great relationships with fabulous butches and transguys. Or maybe it isn't luck. There is some skill, perceptiveness and time (experience too) involved in finding partners who enrich one's life no matter how long the relationship.

/ends derail!

Correction FTM :)

Thanks for the correction. I was wondering about that, though there are some MTF Butches about. I was thinking, though, that you were probably referring to FTMs.

Yeah, I assumed that too.

Has anyone used the Care Credit card to help pay for their surgery/s? and if so, did you have poor, good, great credit when applying? and if you care to share more information, that would be most excellent. Thanks.

Considering i am almost legally a midget...well, as one of my exes
would fondly and affectionately remind me that i am short in stature (that i would be a midget
if i were so many inches shorter..forget how many) when i would forget...(i do that often)
i could say that most women would want a taller man... but, i don't
know if that is true. I just don't know.
If a woman doesn't want a short dude....
then it ain't me babe...no, no, no...it ain't me your lookin' for babe....
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R2NrV4ve1o"]It ain't me babe - Johnny Cash & June Carter Cash - YouTube[/nomedia]

To each his own PurpleQuestions...and i bet you are just perfect for
someone out there. If the butch or FTM has an issue with your height...
then, that is their issue...not yours. Hopefully, they will just be honest
and upfront with you that they can't deal with your height,
and you will not have to suffer.

Totally agree with you Soon. I do the same. I have a similar perspective, sentiment and attitude about it. It is just another way of finding out quicky whether or not two people are compatible. Honesty is the best policy.


Yep!

I used it. My credit is ok and it covered pretty much all of what I didn't already have in cash. They gave me a $10K LoC but I only needed to use about $5K. I had used $3K at one point for vet bills. It was one of those cards I paid off immediately because after a period of time the interest on it does shoot up but it was good for getting this done. I may consider using it for doing a metio and hysto once I have another $4-5K set aside for that.

I used part of what was left of my 401k after a damn stock market crash in 2001.
I have never heard of the Care card. But, i must say, i don't think it could hurt
so much to try. If the card can be an avenue to lead you toward the opportunity to have surgery...then Do It.
Lack of coverage is one of the issues that really bugs and digs at me for
trans people...It should be covered by healthcare. Healthcare should be a right for everyone.
I still went to my company to cover all of the bases and apply...knowing i probably wouldn't get covered...because i knew there would be people coming after me. I wanted it logged into the system at BlueCrossBlueSheild..that i existed, applied and was denied. That way...maybe the next one that came along could get it. etc...You know?

I think you should give it a shot. And good luck Ahk

Not trans here but I'm using Care Credit.

I applied and got accepted for $7200, 2 years no interest. Be careful. The interest can be very high. The statement will give you a minimum that is NOT the minimum for the promotion of no interest. If you pay that and not the amount you need to for no interest you will be charged interest (26%, I believe). Also, if you miss a payment you will be charged all the back interest. It's different than a credit card.

Anyone here seen Still Black: a Portrait of Black Transmen : http://www.stillblackfilm.org/

I saw it referenced on Huff Post here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2584645.html

Thanks for the post.

I've never heard of this, but I'd like to see the whole thing. I think i'm going to buy it so if the opportunity comes up, I can show it at church. I'm still closeted there and so if/when I do come out, I don't want to be the only freakin' teaching tool...again...

Thanks for sharing this!

I'm not sure where to post this. I'm sorry if this offends anyone. That is not my intention, I'm just looking for some advice. It's about my fiance. I'm using gender neutral pronouns, because that is what they are comfortable with right now. They are just starting to come out to me as trans, and I am the first person they have ever talked to about it. We are both in our 20's. The few times they have talked to me about it, it's only been at night when we are in bed and all the lights are out. I've been careful not to make a big deal out of it, and to let them know that I love them for who they are, not the body that they are born into, and that they are a good person, that what they are going through is not wrong, that there is nothing to be ashamed of. We are saving up for top surgery for them. Their family is very religious and conservative. My fiance came out as gay several years ago and their family has always been clear that they do not aprove. There is a trans support group where we live, but they are not comfortable talking to anyone else yet. While I love and support them completely, they need advice and support from someone who understands what they are going through, they need more than me. But since they are not ready to talk to anyone else yet, I'm wondering if there are any books that they can read that would help? Or any other advice?

Hi Daring_Dreamer. First I want to commend you and say I would have killed for a girlfriend like you when I was in my 20s so don't sell your support of your fiance short. As for books I would recommend I have only found one I like and it is on the academic side, unfortunately most books about transgender are about the MTF side of our world. You could look on Amazon it tends to have a good selection and a wide variety.

However, I do agree that support from your own kind so to speak is important. If your fiance is still uncomfortable with telling people face to face may I suggest online support. I belong to a couple of online transgender and/or FTM groups where I can talk to the guys or get other resources. Then of course there is here. All the guys I have met are amazing and I think any support is better than none.

If you do find aa book I would like to know btw and if you are interested in the one that I liked let me know and I will be glad to share the title.

Alix

I'm one of the fortunate ones to have a mostly supportive family. That said, I've heard that this book is a good starting point for many: [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Trans-Forming-Families-Mary-Boenke/dp/097972600X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1368228257&sr=8-4"]Trans Forming Families: Mary Boenke, Delores Dudley, Lori Bowden: 9780979726002: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

There are also a few online trans forums I can recommend if your partner would feel more comfortable with that (just private message me and I'll give you a link).

When I first began my transition, I joined a trans-masculine group (I was in NYC at the time) and it was one of the best things I could have done. I'd also suggest that you may want to find a support group for yourself as well. There are a few SOFFA (Significant Others, Friends, Families and Allie) groups out there as well. Although your partner is going through the transition, you will be impacted by it and the process and your feelings my surprise you. At the very least, knowing there are others experiencing similar as you can make a difference.

Hey there,

sorry if this question was already asked, I'm just tired of reading forums, and want to talk about this shit because all I ever think about is gender stuff, and whether I am a butch, or whether I might actually be a dude in 3 years/if I always was a dude. I think its funny that most people at least know what fucking gender they are, despite all their other uncertainties and problems. Not to say that gender issues cause the ultimate suffering, I'm just saying DAMN.

Question 1. Any ftm ever experience absolutely having to buy male only products? This used to drive my gf (now my ex) crazy. Has to be male shampoo, and when I found out I'm itching constantly because of dry skin, I was devastated that I had to go from super manly looking Axe to boring grey gillete, although its still "looks" manly. Its like I'm paranoid of being perceived as feminine?

If I had money and wasn't as aware of my overcompensation, you know that huge F350 going down the road with spikes in the rims and balls hanging and alla that? ...yeah that would be me lol.

Question 2. I've just now started throwing the idea around in my head about transitioning. But, I am a psychologist before any gender lol, and I say this because I heard this rumor (I think off of becoming chaz) that you become more "manlike" with the not listening to your partner's emotional problems and writing them off as illogical and alla that bullshit. (I mean, when you start taking T.) Personally, I think it IS bullshit, because females can be just as non-validating or whatever you want to call that dynamic, as a male. But, if there is any chance at all of me becoming less in tune to what people are feeling, fuck transitioning with a ten foot pole, no freakin way. Psychology is my passion.

Question 3. I have never been around, hung out with, or maybe even held a conversation with a femme. I don't know any femmes. I am attracted to butches and ftms, and I really don't even give a crap if I turn out to be a gay male after transitioning. Whatever. But, what in the world am I going to do if I get a really feminine client? I feel like I have this gaping hole in experiences, and I fear that I might actually have an aversion to feminine females altogether. Or something. What is up with that? Any ftms have this experience?

I don't consciously, intentionally sit here and think "I don't want anything to do with femmes" just to be clear, I just, this second, realized I don't know anyone who is.

I'll be honest and throw out there that my grandma who adopted and raised me was a straight, Conservative, antigay and (I swear to god anti-masculinty it seems) feminine individual. I was forced into dresses, and she tried to get me to mold into basic female stereotyped chores like cleaning(?), while I was out in the back yard trying to learn how to start a lawn mower.

Oye this is a lot of stuff that has been in my head for awhile, would like to know myself one day for sure.

Anyone relate or have thoughts?

1. Yes, i do look for male promoted products. Keep in mind that they aren't "male only". (with the exception of testosterone and the likes of Viagra). They are advertised to male-oriented individuals. As for Axe, they do have quite a few versions for dry skin (http://amzn.to/15j0Yr7) it just may be your local store doesn't carry them or sells out.

2. Yes and no. For the most part you are right that not much changes as a lot of it was before. I did notice one thing in particular: my ability to cry. You know those commercials about animals in need? Those would normally have me bawling. These days not even a twinge. It's really weird and freaked me out the first time. Entirely anecdotal, I've noticed a lack of emotions or a dulling of emotions. Doesn't mean that I don't experience them. I think how we express them does change.

3. You will always have gaping holes in experience because you cannot experience everything that happens in the world. Without knowing your background I can bet you've never experienced my life even if we're both transmen. The more important question, IMO, is the ability to listen and be compassionate, not necessarily shared experience.

Anyways, hope that helps.

1. I buy all male products and I am not male (I am TG) There are female ID'd people who buy men's products. There are feminine people who buy men's products. I wouldn't look at this as defined who you are. I have been thinking about gender for 15+ years. Unfortunately, for some of us it is not clear and not binary. Although I love who I am (TG not TS), life would certainly be a lot easier if I just went on hormones. Taking T would fit for me in some ways, in some ways it would not. Top surgery is a different discussion, however.

2. Anecdotal evidence abounds I what Linus said. Emotions are described as being more muted (I am a gender therapist so I see guys pre-T and after), but it is not like compassion and other emotions disappear.

3. I don't really get this not being able to relate to feminine people, and wondering how you would do with a feminine client. You call yourself a psychologist. A psychologist has their doctorate in Psychology. Do you have your Ph.D. or Psy.D. ? I am just confused because I don't know anyone who has even completed even an Associates degree without having worked with clients prior to graduation. :confused:

Good luck on your journey. Sometimes it takes a while. Also, don't forget to step away from it and just live life. I promise it will circle back around!

First off, I am an mtf, and femme. In a lot of ways, we are on parallel paths, but with both similarities and differences. I cannot say as to whether you are butch or ftm, as that is something that you will have to discover for yourself.

Question 1: I tend to buy female products only, though, at times, I have been forced to purchase male clothing ( workboots and socks). :(

In one of my culinary classes, I was required to wear black pants, and a white, button down shirt with a tie. This was because I was working as a server, during that class period. I was unable to find any female clothing that would work for me, while fitting the requirements, so I obtained and wore male clothing for that first class. That did not work well for me, at all. I was barely able to handle one table, let alone the three or four tables that was expected of me. It was just very, very difficult for me to function, at all, that day.

The next class period that I had to work as a server, I just plain skipped. I was not about to go anywhere, dressed like that. Fortunately, I was able to find some clothing that would work for me, and still fufill the requirements for the class after that.

My point is, is that I can understand, a tiny bit, of how you feel. In this area, we are similar.

As for Question 2, I suggest that you talk with an experienced gender therapist. They can probably give you some good advice, in this matter.

On Question 3, give yourself time. You will probably start meeting them, if you open yourself to the possibilities. As for what do you do, if you have a femme for a client; what do you do if you have someone with a problem that you have no experience with?

@Linus: On question number one, true on the "male promoted" verses male only products, I was trying to say that but it didn't come out right; your wording is much better lol

What you said about question 2 really does make me pause for a second. I really don't want anything about how I express my feelings or anything to do with it to change. Thanks for the input, I'm thinking I want to be cautious with that aspect, and do research on it. On question 3, very true, yeah it would suck if I had to experience everything lol.

@Dapperbutch: TG means third gender, and not transgender, right? I have not looked into third gender at all, maybe I should. And dang my wording was all crazy yesterday, I was such a mess-I only have my bachelors in psychology, so fortunately I still have a lot of time to work on myself. I was thinking in the futuristic sense, imagining having a femme client and messing up somehow. I don't think its a realistic fear, unless I'm sexist or something, that would not be good. I don't think I am though...I don't know, I'm still a mess. Your a gender therapist? Pretty cool. I have a therapist, but I don't think she understands, she's not specifically a gender therapist.

The muting of emotions is not comforting, but I've also never experienced it. That is a huge risk to me though. I really don't know how anyone can step away from the gender stuff when you're reminded every freakin day the second someone calls you ma'am or baby or any of that other crap, and anything else that goes along with being a female in society. I hate it. It's not just about social issues for me, its my own body as well. I don't know how to escape this gender stuff.

@Nadeest: thanks for responding! It kills me when you say you've been forced to where mens clothing...if I was ever forced into anything female related again I'd freak out. I'm glad you're able to hang in there. Its such an extreme for me, I piss a lot of people off with that. The server thing...what a nightmare! Dang I wish people would become more gender aware.

A gender therapist would be great, maybe I could find one that has a sliding scale or something, because my insurance won't cover mental related stuff.


Thanks to all of you for responding. I don't know how to reply back all neat and organized, but I definitely have some things to consider.

TG means transgender, not third gender. TS means transexual (FTM/MTF)

You can search for a qualified gender therapist here wpath.org

You are very welcome, psykbush. I am happy to be able to help you, even a little bit.

You do have a fair possibility of finding a gender therapist that accepts a sliding scale. I've had two of them, so far, since I started transitioning.

TG does mean transgender, as DapperButch mentioned, but there is also another category that people use to describe themselves, at times. This is known as: gender queer. I don't really know how to explain it, though, at least not right now. Perhaps someone that is more articulate then I can step in and explain it for you.

Look, there are prices to pay for every choice that we make. There are also the tiny details that we find out about, AFTER we venture into something new. This is definitely true in transition.

For example, I recently bought a swimsuit for the first time since I transitioned. I tried it out this past weekend, at the park pool. Unfortunately, I stayed too long at the pool and managed to obtain a sunburn (not too severe, fortunately). This suit happened to be a one piece swimsuit.

When I went to put on my bra, yesterday, I encountered one of those tiny little details, I'm afraid. As I'm sure that many of you know, it is absolutely NO fun to wear a bra over a sunburn. :P

Don't worry overmuch about the muting of emotions yet. First, hie thee to a gender therapist to help you sort things out. This will help you gain the information that you seem to need, right now. Then you can begin to make any decisions that are needed.

"For example, I recently bought a swimsuit for the first time since I transitioned. I tried it out this past weekend, at the park pool. Unfortunately, I stayed too long at the pool and managed to obtain a sunburn (not too severe, fortunately). This suit happened to be a one piece swimsuit.

When I went to put on my bra, yesterday, I encountered one of those tiny little details, I'm afraid. As I'm sure that many of you know, it is absolutely NO fun to wear a bra over a sunburn. :P

Don't worry overmuch about the muting of emotions yet. First, hie thee to a gender therapist to help you sort things out. This will help you gain the information that you seem to need, right now. Then you can begin to make any decisions that are needed."

lol on the sunburn, very true. And yeah I wish I would stop stressing myself sleepless over stuff that is 50 steps ahead of myself right now. I looked up the wpath site, but only listed therapists are all the way out in tampa and places far like that, none close to cocoa. I'm hoping my regular therapist will be able to help me through some of it, at least a good vent.

thanks,
-psykbutch

Hi there,

was curious if anyone went through this aspect of transitioning too...

I have someone in my life who is extremely supportive, and he is actively calling me "he", and "sir" and "young man". So for the first time I'm kinda experimenting with what that feels like for me.

Right now I feel "out of body" with it. I feel angry when someone refers to me as a women, but better and neutral when someone calls me he (unless they truly don't know I'm a female, then I'm really happy). I don't know if that makes any sense.

I guess my question would be, how did it happen that people would refer to you by your preferred/true gender? How did you feel when they started calling you he instead of she, or she instead of he? Who did you tell first? Very curious about anything to do with that experience.

I keep comparing myself to other ftm's I've been acquainted with, they've known since birth and always felt comfortable...from 0-18 though I was raised by grandparents that didn't allow for expression at all, so I'm just now getting to know myself. I actually feel a bit scared when this person calls me he. I don't want to let this person down when he's all sayin "I know your a man". It feels great to hear it, but it also makes me nervous too. Anyone who is now transitioned ever experience that?

There's 19million questions in here, don't think I can help it though lol.
Take care,
-psykbutch

Hey, psykbutch.

I would suggest contacting the WPATH therapists you found in FL. Ask them if they know of anyone in your area who has worked with transgender people. There are therapists out there who have experience, but don't specialize in gender therapy. The WPATH members may know about them.

Venting to your current therapist is good, but if you were to begin to really consider transitioning, I would strongly suggest seeing a gender therapist if at all possible. I have had/have clients who travel over 2 hours to see me because there is no one in their current area and they went as far as they could (their process), with their current therapist.

Good luck.

I'm not exactly sure why it makes you feel anxious when he calls you that. Perhaps because that doesn't totally fit you and so it doesn't "feel right"? You need to listen to your discomfort and gut response.

I think it is important you don't jump to conclusions about yourself and ask that others don't also. There are lots of people that do not fit in the binary. This is one of the first things I say to clients when I first start working with them. People can come to therapy in angst feeling like they must choose. You don't have to choose. You may be neither. You also may be male or female (the opposite of your assigned birth gender), but it may not suit you to "transition". It is important that people do not see the whole process as linear.

A FTM may decide to not go on hormones. A female bodied person who defines as a female, but who is masculine identified, may decide to go on hormones. A butch may get top surgery, but not define as trans in the slightest.

I guess what I am trying to say is that there are variations of gender. Allow yourself to try ALL of them on.

/rambling pontificating

It takes time, psykbush. You are just at the very start of your transition, IF you choose to transition; although it sounds as if you are going to do so. This is NOT an instant or overnight process. Hormones do not magically change your body overnight, nor do you adjust to living as a male ( or female) overnight. It takes even longer for people that knew you as one gender, to begin to see you as another gender. This is a case where the safest thing to do is to take baby steps.

WPATH is not the only source of resources out there, to find a gender therapist, although they can certainly help find you a qualified one. You can also check http://www.drbecky.com/therapists.html , Susan's Place, PFLAG, and your local GLBT center.

Trust me, everyone who has transitioned, at least as an adult, has had to deal with people not recognizing us or accepting us, as our proper gender.

Not everyone knows, since birth, that they are a different gender, then what their bodies are. I didn't start figuring things out until I was in my 40's, although some people that were in my life had noticed that there was something about me, that was different from others.

It might be helpful for you to find a support group in your area. Also, feel free to contact me privately, if you wish to do so. I don't have all the answers, by any means, but I will endeavor to help you find them.