I am not on T.

However, from my understanding if a person was mild mannered before T, there is not reason to expect that they are going to become these raging people.

It is like a second puberty, but with testosterone this time (just like teenage boys). IF the guy on T feels some increased aggressiveness, he just learns to control it like any other guy. I have heard guys say that if they were a "hot head" before T that it was a bit harder to manage after they got on T. But they learn to. Like Snow said, no free passes!

You interact with them like any other person in your life. It is not like they are aliens, Apoc! :lol2:

Oh goodness, I how I am nto sounding like I think anyone is an alien!!! :eatinghersheybar:

What I am wondering is how to deal with someone changing from where I could vent to them about anything and have for 20 years to now them acting on what I am venting about rather than just listening.

There is a point where this changes and the person really is different. Not worse, not bad...just a different person.

Is this Testosterone related?

I would be honest and say, hey!! I need you to listen and just listen... If they listened before why not now? No amount of T should give anyone the right to go around posturing or imposing themselves on your behalf...:)

Thank you! I wanted to make sure saying that was ok and reasonable with the testosterone.

Testosterone ass clown pass does not exist!!!

Transitioning does not equate the I'm Tarzan you Jane shenanigans!

I don't know if I will be able to articulate this well, but I'll give it a shot.

Testosterone *does* change quite a few things about how a person "is". However, it's not as simple as......T was introduced into the system and BINGO---a change has occurred.

I think it is the fact that the individual on T is now perceived and received differently by society at large. The changes in how things go for him on a daily basis cause him to change the way he interacts with others.

An example from my "book" is me when I'm one-on-one with my chiropractor's assistant (female, currently pregnant). When we talk about how she is feeling and her hormones and blahblahblah, I am very measured in my responses because there are times I start to say things that would surely raise an eyebrow.........things I just should not know so well.

I'm still not sure I'm explaining my thoughts on this very clearly.

So being seen as male may have more to do with acting more aggressively than the actual testosterone.

I can definitely tell a difference in interacting with all of my friends who are on testosterone I knew before and now. Especially after the "puberty" phaze.

Priorities are different.

I have been on T for a year now and it has not changed my personality at all. I was not an ass before T so why should I be an ass after T.

Maybe your friends are using the excuse of being on T just to be an ass without taking resposiblilty.

T rage is over exagerated and only used as an excuse for bad behavior.

Rufus

I was on T for a year, and 5 months of that was the full dose. My personality did not change. There were stress factors that went along with being on T, but they weren't from the T itself. They were related to things that came up because I was on T. Make sense?

However, that did not make me a cranky guy, just more anxious. I don't think T fundamentally changes your personality. If he had aggressive tendencies before, those might be more noticeable as he lives in a world that expects that more from him.

Yeah......if we're talking about being aggressive....which I wasn't really focusing on. I was more talking about a general way of "being" really. For some, yeah, that could be about being more aggressive.......not necessarily rage either because I see them as two very different things.

As with my previous post, these are just my opinions. :)

Agree with Rufus, the whole T rage thing is individual at best, if not an all out myth. I've noticed that a lot of guys will use testosterone as an excuse to say and do things that they wouldn't do/say before as far as social acceptability. I think with some guys there's a lot of machismo that goes on that actually has little to do with the testosterone itself, and more to do with insecurity about masculinity, trying to relive an adolescence they never had or just trying to live up to new social expectations on what men are "supposed" to do/say.

I also think its highly individual as well. Remember that a lot of guys may have been much more insecure before testosterone, and as such were never very assertive because they weren't comfortable in their own skin. Once they feel comfortable in their own skin, they may come out of their shell, so to speak. The more assertive person may actually be who they really were, but were never confident enough to be because of their bodies.

All in all, I really think it depends on the individual, not on what testosterone does or doesn't do.

Great answers with so much insight! Thank you all! :)

update on the t-kingdom binders.

After 3 months of not receiving the binders and no response to my emails they finally contacted me via email. They said the binders were returned to them. They asked me for more money to resend the binders. I was a little upset cause it wasn't my fault. It wasn't successfully delivered to my house. For all I know they didn't even mail it. Any, I gave them more money to send it again. Three days later they tell me I didn't give them enough money. They ask me to give them more money for shipping fees and they would reimburse me for what I paid a few days earlier. I told them to forget about it and refund all my money. They refunded the $20 shipping fees but not the money I paid for the binders. When I ask them about that they said it was past the deadline for a refund. Really? I sent them several emails and they didn't respond for months. They have the binders. This business is a serious joke. They probably don't don't even have the funds to refund my money. Really horrible business practices.

Kannon sorry to hear about this mess, I hope this matter gets settled soon. You know a report to the BBB might be a good thing for others out there to know that their business and money practices are bad.

Talking about T: I don't seem to be as effected by or influenced by my emotions.

Given the fact that T-Kingdom is based in Taiwan, I don't know that reporting them to the local Better Business Bureau would be very effective. Spreading the word to those who might want to do business with T-Kingdom, will probably have a greater impact on their business.

Definitely hit up the different sites so people know. I had issues with T Kingdom just getting information so I decided not to buy. Glad I didn't send for them.
Sorry you had bad experience though.

Woman to TransMan
 

Pardon me if this has been asked before, and please understand that I mean no ill will by it, but this is something that I have been curious about for a while now. I'm going to need a little space to work it out, so bear with me, if you don't mind. :)

Typically speaking, I like woman-identified butches, meaning that she embraces those sex characteristics/biological characteristics that make her female, and while her gender presentation may be masculine, she uses feminine pronouns to refer to herself and doesn't want to be a man.

I have noticed that there are a lot of butches here -- some of whom are transitioning, some of whom are not -- who use masculine pronouns and names to identify themselves. They don't consider themselves female or women, their gender presentation and identity is male. They think of themselves as men.

My question is this: where does the butch end and the transman begin?

In my head, butch has a very specific connotation, and for me, butch = woman/female. I am not saying whether this is wrong or right, just it is how I think. I am willing to have my thought process challenged and broadened, however, because after all, butch or transman, I'm a sucker for a pretty smile and a swagger. :eyebat: