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Midnight 10-18-2011 10:36 PM

I agree he is very human and a very interesting individual. Can you explain what you mean by constructs please. Cheers

Ebon 10-18-2011 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 440567)
I agree he is very human and a very interesting individual. Can you explain what you mean by constructs please. Cheers

Social constructs in my opinion are things that separate us like race, class, gender, sexuality etc...The world is setup in a way that tries to make us perceive certain people or groups as better than others when really we are all just human.

Midnight 10-18-2011 10:57 PM

Ah thankyou Ebon. I agree with you fully.

EnderD_503 10-19-2011 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 440536)
I have a question that I hope is not impolite but Im not sure. OK so firstly here are my assumptions. Please, please please correct me if I'm wrong!
1. Trans guys are born female but feel male/masculine inside and therefore change the outside to match their 'inner man'.

Not necessarily. We're taught growing up that there are two sexes, male and female. What's meant by it is cismale and cisfemale, and we're often only taught about certain characteristics that define these. But going by those characteristics alone means we also leave out quite a few people who don't fit either one, physically. For example, intersex people and others with various genetic anomalies. Trans people, and transguys, are pretty diverse.

There have been studies done at a few European medical clinics and universities over the last few years (Spain and Holland come to mind) that have shown that pre-HRT transguys (or those who were a part of the study) possessed the same amount of white matter in almost all areas (except for one) of the brain as cissexed men, while having higher levels than cissexed females. The corticospinal tract was the only area where transguys in the study consistently demonstrated lower levels of white matter than cissexed men, but still had higher levels of white matter than cissexed females.

The brain's white matter is a part of the brain's physical makeup, and is also sexually dimorphic (males generally having more of it than females). In that respect trans people (or at least certain groups of trans people) lie outside of conventional definitions of physical sex defined by varying levels of sexual dimorphism. Especially when we consider that its' most likely the brain that gives people their sense of sex identity (which all people have, and most take for granted), rather than the mere fact that they were born with a certain set of genitals.

It would be better to say that transguys were assigned female at birth (which is different than saying that we're born female) and may decide to alter their appearance to match their brain's sex. Just like some intersexed people were assigned a socially approved sex when they were born, but discover later in life that they are intersex despite the appearance of their genitals (or those who doctor's "fix" to appear as either male or female, and discover this later in life).

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 440536)
3. This is a big assumption - when you identify as a trans male you are either a straight man or a gay man.

Or queer. Or bisexual. Or asexual. Or any other sexuality that exists out there. I know that a lot of trans resources spread the idea that "transguy attracted to women = straight" and "transguy attracted to men = gay" with little explanation of anyone who lies outside of that, but transmale sexuality is just as diverse as anyone else's. There are a few transguys on this forum who don't identify as straight even though they are attracted to women.

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 440536)
Now to my question which I hope will make sense ..... Can body dysphoria be different to sexual/gender identity? I have been watching youtube and have been following some of the trans guys, and one guy's latest update (he has been on T and had top surgery) stated that he identifies as trans but also female and femme. I just can't seem to get my head around it and thought you guys might be able to help. If you want the link let me know and I'll PM it for you if that will help. Thanks guys.

For sure, dysphoria can be completely detached from sexual and gender identity. There are butch women and other non-trans identified people who experience some form of body dysphoria that results in their getting top surgery, for example. There are people who were assigned female at birth who undergo HRT and surgery, but don't identify as either male or female. Or they may continue to identify as female.

I'd have to see the video to get a better sense of how the guy expresses his identity, but it's not totally strange that he sees himself that way. There are a few ideas about transguys floating around out there in society/the lgbtq community that don't really encompass the complete diversity of the transmale community.

There are some people who don't feel the need to change their bodies at all who still feel that their identity is a mix between male and female, and masculine and feminine. Just like a cissexed male can feel this way while still being happy with not altering his body, transguys can also feel the same way as far as being more comfortable in a "male" body, but not necessarily taking only a male identity. Changing your body to look a certain way is not always about taking on a socially accepted sex identity.

I can understand why some guys who feel this way find it difficult to express their identity to other people, since people associate certain sex characteristics as male or female, when to some they're simply physical characteristics outside of the labels of "male" and "female."

As far as the femme part, it's not entirely strange. I was just reading an article awhile ago by a transguy who identifies as a femme gay dude. It's not as uncommon as one might think for transguys to be "feminine."

Hopefully that response isn't too confusing and clarifies something for you :p

EnderD_503 10-19-2011 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 440392)
kannon mentioned that the woman was straight. Wasn't that kind of the point of the question?? He was talking non-queer context. right? :confused:

Ah, my bad. I misread and didn't realise he had specified that she was straight. In that case, at least if it were me, I'd probably tell them once it became evident that there was mutual attraction and we're both actively doing something about it (going on a date, potentially fuck-buddying etc.) It's going to come up eventually anyway and no point investing energy on a straight person who might well reject you down the road when they find out.

SelfMadeMan 10-19-2011 08:22 AM

I don't feel anyone needs to out themselves to everyone they meet - or even to most people they meet. And I certainly don't think it needs to be done up front unless you just want to. It has been my experience that as soon as a friendship or potential relationship starts to be a very close one, it's something you might want to consider. I have found that even in cases where you want to remain 'stealth' - the potential for outing is always there. It's happened to me more than once. So, if a friendship of mine is a very close one, I feel it is best that I tell that person at some point, as I've developed deep friendships in the past, and chose not to tell, only to have them find out and the friendship be ruined (to the point of hate motivated threats at in one case). Regarding romantic relationships, I think as soon as it is clear there will be intimate contact of any kind, you should tell. I only speak from my own experiences and opinions - but I think to become intimate with another person and not tell is unfair to them.

DapperButch 10-19-2011 10:49 AM

Midnight, would you please post the link to the board? thanks.

Linus 10-19-2011 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 440536)
I have a question that I hope is not impolite but Im not sure. OK so firstly here are my assumptions. Please, please please correct me if I'm wrong!
1. Trans guys are born female but feel male/masculine inside and therefore change the outside to match their 'inner man'. 2. This can be achieved with or without surgery and/or with or without T. 3. This is a big assumption - when you identify as a trans male you are either a straight man or a gay man. Now to my question which I hope will make sense ..... Can body dysphoria be different to sexual/gender identity? I have been watching youtube and have been following some of the trans guys, and one guy's latest update (he has been on T and had top surgery) stated that he identifies as trans but also female and femme. I just can't seem to get my head around it and thought you guys might be able to help. If you want the link let me know and I'll PM it for you if that will help. Thanks guys.

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Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 440855)
Midnight, would you please post the link to the board? thanks.

I think Midnight didn't post it out of respect for that individual.

DapperButch 10-19-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 440872)
I think Midnight didn't post it out of respect for that individual.

Oh, I missed that. Thank you Linus for pointing that out to me.

Midnight 10-19-2011 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 440872)
I think Midnight didn't post it out of respect for that individual.

Indeed Linus :)
Ender thankyou so very much for your informative post. The brain is an amazing organ and Im amazed about how much diversity it creates in people. From your response I feel I can better understand where they are now coming from in respect to the you tube posting. You have given me much to think about! Thanks :)

J. Mason 10-20-2011 12:33 AM

I am dating a femme who ID's as lesbian and some friends and others have come to her voicing their opinions about the fact she is dating me. They ask why would a lesbian date a transman? Has anyone else encountered this and what did ya'll do about it?

Thinker 10-20-2011 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 441674)
I am dating a femme who ID's as lesbian and some friends and others have come to her voicing their opinions about the fact she is dating me. They ask why would a lesbian date a transman? Has anyone else encountered this and what did ya'll do about it?

I didn't do anything about it; it was her situation to handle.

I realize that sounds a bit insensitive and I don't mean it to come across that way, but that really is the bottom line for me.

I'm assuming these people are *her* friends and acquaintances and that she would know better how to deal with them and their "concerns".

SelfMadeMan 10-20-2011 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Mason (Post 441674)
I am dating a femme who ID's as lesbian and some friends and others have come to her voicing their opinions about the fact she is dating me. They ask why would a lesbian date a transman? Has anyone else encountered this and what did ya'll do about it?

Been there. I agree with Thinker that it is her situation to deal with since they're her friends... however, my .02 on that way of thinking.... we don't necessarily choose who to be attracted to or who we fall in love with. She's likely not dating you based on what you are as much as WHO you are...

J. Mason 10-23-2011 06:39 PM

Thanks for the response guys, sorry I was away with family and no computer access!

I am gonna let her handle this matter, she is a strong woman and I believe she can do it gracefully!

MickMan 10-25-2011 02:42 PM

Anyone getting their script from Stroheckers?
 
Hey guys,

I have been with Stroheckers for about 5 years now. First with IM and starting in 2009 cream. The first few times I ordered from them, I got 3 months or 90 grams and following the directions of 1/4 tsp. After a few months I got a shipment in that was only one jar instead of two. I called and talked to Brett, who is now no longer there and he said they started shipping out only 2 months because everyone was complaining that there is too much meds. I thought it was fishy but just went along with it thinking they were ploying for more money.

With the new laws on meds in FL, I now have to see the doc every time I need a refill so I asked her to be sure to send in a script for 3 months, not the two they have been sending. When I got it in, it was the same amount and when I called Strocheckers, they said that they have not changed anything and that it was the same three month supply that I have been getting.

They gave me dates where the first 3 orders were 3 months apart and then it went to two, but there is no record of me calling in and now they are saying it is my fault. I am having issues with them and my doc now. I have a 1/4 tsp measuring spoon to be sure I am using the correct amount.

I am curious if anyone else is having issues with Strocheckers? Is anyone else on the cream and did the amount go down? Any input would be appreciated.

The Oopster 10-25-2011 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MickMan (Post 446427)
Hey guys,

I have been with Stroheckers for about 5 years now. First with IM and starting in 2009 cream. The first few times I ordered from them, I got 3 months or 90 grams and following the directions of 1/4 tsp. After a few months I got a shipment in that was only one jar instead of two. I called and talked to Brett, who is now no longer there and he said they started shipping out only 2 months because everyone was complaining that there is too much meds. I thought it was fishy but just went along with it thinking they were ploying for more money.

With the new laws on meds in FL, I now have to see the doc every time I need a refill so I asked her to be sure to send in a script for 3 months, not the two they have been sending. When I got it in, it was the same amount and when I called Strocheckers, they said that they have not changed anything and that it was the same three month supply that I have been getting.

They gave me dates where the first 3 orders were 3 months apart and then it went to two, but there is no record of me calling in and now they are saying it is my fault. I am having issues with them and my doc now. I have a 1/4 tsp measuring spoon to be sure I am using the correct amount.

I am curious if anyone else is having issues with Strocheckers? Is anyone else on the cream and did the amount go down? Any input would be appreciated.

Sorry I have never gotten my creme through them and have always had good experiences with them. However i do tend to use less of mine then prescribed so mine is always lasting way past the time to renew.

MickMan 10-25-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Oopster (Post 446429)
Sorry I have never gotten my creme through them and have always had good experiences with them. However i do tend to use less of mine then prescribed so mine is always lasting way past the time to renew.

Thanks man. Yeah until now I ahve had great experiences. Not sure whats going on.

Logicaly 10-25-2011 10:00 PM

I don't use the cream, but I do get my prescription through them as well. I haven't been using them that long, and have only had to refill once in the time I have been on T and for the most part, they have been good. The only issue I have had with them is when it came time for my refill they only sent me needles for injecting, not for drawing the T into the syringe. They promptly sent me more, which was great, and I have not otherwise had any issues. For me, with my current dosing level mine easily lasts for 3 months.

I wouldn't mind going with a local company, but honestly so far, this has worked for me, and its not too expensive either.

MickMan 11-03-2011 03:13 PM

Got it taken care of. I went to my doc and talkd to her about it and she said that there was indeed an issue with the cream. She gave me another script to take to a local compounding pharm that she recommended and I got 4 months for a savings of about 50 bucks off of what I was paying for 2 months and they put it in pre-measured syringe type dispensers.

Super great service and better price and LOCAL!!

Atkinsons Pharm on Kingsley Ave, in case anyone is interested. Talk to Kelly. He is a super nice guy.

Martina 11-08-2011 07:02 PM

What do you think of the glitter bombing of Dan Savage?


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