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Have to agree with Dylan and others about the laziness factor. I also feel deeply when our TG/IG members (including the women/femmes that love them) are disrespected/marginalized/pooh-pahed via the pronoun use. As bully points out, this all goes deeper than pronouns and name-tags. So many of us struggle with aspects of our identity here and really do need a space in which we can just talk about it!

Something I keep thinking about while engaging in the thread is how can we get away from all of the assumptions when we (all of us across the butch gender spectrum) simply state our female or male identifications?

dapper has a good take on this in terms of some of us not filling in the pronoun area because no matter what, someone takes whatever is there as some kind of bashing (goes both ways with male or female identities).

I get upset when I see generalizations about male identified/TG/IG members as well as we female/woman butch types! I see many stereotypic statements about them being sexist and hell, there are many female id'd butches that make very sexist comments! Has nothing to do with gender identity at all. Frankly, most TG guys I know are feminists!

So much of this stuff has never made sense to me. Martina pointed out something important to me, however. My history and geographic locale has skewed and blinded me, I think. I walk in this world with trans people all around me and have for many, many years. I have to say that my experiences pre-B-F exposure were very different in this context. It wasn't until actively living as a butch and entering this community that I have seen so much cruelty, sterotypic assumptions and out and out hostility about gender differences. Sometimes, I honestly do think about going back to just a lesbian identity even if I finally found a place of acceptance for my female masculinity and deep attraction to femmes as well as being able to talk with other butches and knowing they get me!

This has become so very confusing, frustrating and just plain painful to me. I know damn well that putting Bully’s quote on my sig line will cause BS. But, I am truly touched by what this says and just can’t remain hidden behind the insane butch margins any longer. My TG/IG friends know exactly how I feel and they are who matter really in terms of any back lash. The morons, as Beau points out, just don't matter as they will never engage in thyis conversation or ones like it in any meaniongful manner. they will continue to make stupid and childish boob and cock jokes.