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Old 08-29-2012, 07:40 PM   #1
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Are there any butches here who dress masculinely in their day-to-day lives, and not as "performance art"? (for lack of a better term)
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Are there any butches here who dress masculinely in their day-to-day lives, and not as "performance art"? (for lack of a better term)

I'm almost positive there are a few threads discussing this. I would say a good majority dress some what to all masculine here.
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what, besides "drag king", is a good search term? (I do this more than hijack threads)
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what, besides "drag king", is a good search term? (I do this more than hijack threads)
Lets see.....

Gender Identity

Butch Zone

Trans Zone

Lesbian Zone

Body, Beauty, Lifestyles.

For starters...
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I put in Drag King in the search line and came up with these...



http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/foru...ight=drag+king

http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/foru...ight=drag+king

There are a few more, but the above may be closer to what you want to discuss.
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Please post the others, because those were about performers.
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Are there any butches here who dress masculinely in their day-to-day lives, and not as "performance art"? (for lack of a better term)
I'm not really 100% sure what you mean. I think it would be safe to say most butches wear what most people would see as "masculine" clothing day to day. When I think drag kings I don't really think just so much just "masculine" clothing but also putting on a fake beard/mustache/side burns as a part of the performance...so just wondering which one you mean?

There's a Butch attire/fashion thread in this section that might be what you're looking for?
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Please post the others, because those were about performers.
I wish i knew how to take a pic of a page and post it here so i'll try to explain how to use search.

Up at the top you can see User CP Community..etc. Then there is search.

Click on that and then type in "Drag King". Every thread that has that word or words will show up.

If there is a thread about the performers, it may be a good place to start and just ask in that thread if there is anyone who dresses like this in their daily lives.

Just a suggestion.

We have hundreds of threads here. Our threads start out on one topic but generally always go through many, many topics. Don't worry about derailing. We all derail. It's perfectly ok to ask "like minded people" such as performers if they dress this way in every day life.

Again, just a suggestion.

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Steph,

I guess what we are trying to say is... alot of us here do dress in such a way. But it isn't about the clothing either. It's about Energy and presences (did I spell that right?)

Like clothing doesn't make a person... We are who we are.

I am butch because it's who I feel most comfortable within my own skin. The clothes don't make me "butcher or less butch" However for me, I can't say I have bought women's clothes since I graduated from HS years ago.
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I wish i knew how to take a pic of a page and post it here so i'll try to explain how to use search.

Up at the top you can see User CP Community..etc. Then there is search.

Click on that and then type in "Drag King". Every thread that has that word or words will show up.

If there is a thread about the performers, it may be a good place to start and just ask in that thread if there is anyone who dresses like this in their daily lives.

Just a suggestion.

We have hundreds of threads here. Our threads start out on one topic but generally always go through many, many topics. Don't worry about derailing. We all derail. It's perfectly ok to ask "like minded people" such as performers if they dress this way in every day life.

Again, just a suggestion.


Steph is looking for butches that are NON performers who dress masculine on a daily basis.

another words she is asking all butchs, trans, ftm's if they dress masculine every day.
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Are there any butches here who dress masculinely in their day-to-day lives, and not as "performance art"? (for lack of a better term)

I AM performance Art.


Clothed or not clothed.


Because the theory ~ We are all Stars in our own World ~ fits Me.





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belle-My apologies. I'm still learning the lay here. As I also mentioned, I'm (needlessly) wary of hijacking.
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belle-My apologies. I'm still learning the lay here. As I also mentioned, I'm (needlessly) wary of hijacking.
Oh gosh. No need to apologize.

I was going by the wording "Drag King" instead of the content of your post. I apologize to you, Strappie and all.

Was just trying to help.

You are in good hands here...

I'll just bow my femme self out graciously....



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Steph, I haven't read this thread in a while, but it may be more what you are looking for. It takes awhile to get the hang of threads and the navigation, no worries about joining threads or starting new ones.

Butch Attire and Fashion

http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/foru...read.php?t=812
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Are there any butches here who dress masculinely in their day-to-day lives, and not as "performance art"? (for lack of a better term)

Another one of those interesting new threads. Yet, you knew there was a butch attire thread that addresses this very thing and have even posted in it back on August 13th.
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Kobi-When I looked at the thread, I noticed that too! :smh:
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Maybe I am misunderstanding here, but since when is a masculine dressing butch considered a "non performing drag king" *shrugging shoulders*

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Maybe I am misunderstanding here, but since when is a masculine dressing butch considered a "non performing drag king" *shrugging shoulders*

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We're not but perhaps the lingo is new?
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or maybe it's just awkward lingo?

my partner has expressed discomfort with being perceived as a drag king when he dresses in masculine ways in his everyday life (especially since he doesn't pass and is frequently mis-gendered...and is actually a drag queen).

i have seen some people use the term drag king (usually because they weren't sure or comfortable with what word to use in what context) to refer to butches. sometimes it was because they were not familiar with drag culture or b/f culture.
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