Legalization of drugs, pros and cons!

[UofMfan]

Should drugs be legalized?

Yes, no; if yes what are the consequences, benefits. If no, can we continue waging another losing war?

Who gains, who loses?

Opinions, facts, etc, all are welcome as long as cookies are provided for the OP.

[Apocalipstic]

Legalize marijuana and mushrooms and use the tax money to pay for health care.

Keep Chrystal Meth and other "hard core" drugs illegal.

Would make for way less people in prison for us to pay for and increase revenues and taxes. No one loses.

Cookies all around!

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Legalize marijuana and mushrooms and use the tax money to pay for health care.

Keep Chrystal Meth and other "hard core" drugs illegal.

Would make for way less people in prison for us to pay for and increase revenues and taxes. No one loses.

Cookies all around!

Did you know that the minimum sentence, according to guidelines, for any drug offense is 5 years?

Let's do the math and see how much money we would save on housing these non-violent offenders and how much we would gain from taxing this stuff.

Thanks for the cookies

[cinderella]

Again we agree...great minds and all...

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Legalize marijuana and mushrooms and use the tax money to pay for health care.

Keep Chrystal Meth and other "hard core" drugs illegal.

Would make for way less people in prison for us to pay for and increase revenues and taxes. No one loses.

Cookies all around!

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by UofMfan

Should drugs be legalized?

Yes, no; if yes what are the consequences, benefits. If no, can we continue waging another losing war?

Who gains, who loses?

Opinions, facts, etc, all are welcome as long as cookies are provided for the OP.

From the title you've had one too many already. Yes, legalize pot, tax it and grow it. I am a non drug user BTW. I think it was put here for a reason, it wasn't manufactured.

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Corkey

From the title you've had one too many already. Yes, legalize pot, tax it and grow it. I am a non drug user BTW. I think it was put here for a reason, it wasn't manufactured.

Dude, where are my cookies?

I agree, and ditto on not being a drug user.

Why do you think people are against this? DO you have an opinion on that?

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by UofMfan

Dude, where are my cookies?

I agree, and ditto on not being a drug user.

Why do you think people are against this? DO you have an opinion on that?

Dude you ate the cookies, lookie at your title........^
People are always against that which they don't understand.
Oh my I have an opinion on most things LOL

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Dude you ate the cookies, lookie at your title........^
People are always against that which they don't understand.
Oh my I have an opinion on most things LOL

OK I am blind, I ate a freaking G. Where is a mod when you need one?

[Jess]

Opinion only...

Legalize pot. Never heard of anyone od'ing on pot or committing homicide in a pot induced haze. Never heard of anyone jonesing so bad for pot they commit larceny or murder or rape. Keep narcotics/ opiate derivitives /methamphetamines etc illegal.

[SuperFemme]

Legalize ALL drugs and prostitution.
Who gains? Everyone but the criminals.
Who loses? The cartels and the CIA.

But it MUST be done at a Federal Level otherwise you end up with the mess we have here in CA. Medical Marijuana growers being prosecuted by the DEA and a Federal Jury not being told about the state law. Long sentences handed out.

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Legalize ALL drugs and prostitution.
Who gains? Everyone but the criminals.
Who loses? The cartels and the CIA.

But it MUST be done at a Federal Level otherwise you end up with the mess we have here in CA. Medical Marijuana growers being prosecuted by the DEA and a Federal Jury not being told about the state law. Long sentences handed out.

I agree any legalization must be done on a federal level. I also agree that The Cartels and the DEA, CIA and all the other unknown govt. agencies would lose.

But legalize hard core drugs? I am not sure about that yet. It sounds too me too close to legalizing AK47s, but I am still pondering that.

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by UofMfan

I agree any legalization must be done on a federal level. I also agree that The Cartels and the DEA, CIA and all the other unknown govt. agencies would lose.

But legalize hard core drugs? I am not sure about that yet. It sounds too me too close to legalizing AK47s, but I am still pondering that.

Check this out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8255418.stm

[UofMfan]

From my personal experience. I don't do drugs and legalizing it is not going to change that. I think most people would fall under that same category.

Anyone who wants to do drugs now does it, the fact that it is illegal is not a deterrent.

As for the economy and jobs. What happened back during prohibition when booze was finally legalized? New economies sprung up. Selling it legally would be a profitable business. I doubt the economic benefits would be negative. I must look for some articles I have read in the financial and economic areas regarding this very topic.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by UofMfan

I agree any legalization must be done on a federal level. I also agree that The Cartels and the DEA, CIA and all the other unknown govt. agencies would lose.

But legalize hard core drugs? I am not sure about that yet. It sounds too me too close to legalizing AK47s, but I am still pondering that.

You said earlier..

"I think I may have heard of someone breaking into a bakery to steal the brownies, but maybe I am just making that up.

Why keep the hard stuff illegal? Not that I don't agree, I am just curious. "

Not sure if you are playing devil's advocate or just waffling. Playing D.A. without stating it as such doesn't bode well here. Jus sayin.

I don't agree with legalizing chemically altered or produced drugs as that involves pharmaceuticals to become legal. I say keep the drug companies and insurance industry out of it altogether. They legalized alcohol again, but only govt certified regulated companies can make it and sell it legally. What about the organic home distilleries who have generations of producing "shine" in their lineage? What about organic "growers" who spend countless hours toiling over their crop? Why just hand this to Pifzer?

Let the govt run the man made drugs. They have enough resources to perfect meth. Fuckabunchathat anyway. I don't use pot or any other drug, so it truly is of little personal concern to me. However, I do see benefits in marijuana that far outweigh the prohibition placed on it here in the states.

The notion that "all" drugs should be legalized is just silly in my book. What practical purpose does meth serve? What "healing" properties does it hold? How do you go about acquiring a script for it? Go in to your doc and say "I am feeling way too normal and need a break" ??? WTF?

I have my opinions which will always differ from someone. One of those is that this is an interesting topic that unfortunately derailed an interesting thread.

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Jess

You said earlier..

"I think I may have heard of someone breaking into a bakery to steal the brownies, but maybe I am just making that up.

Why keep the hard stuff illegal? Not that I don't agree, I am just curious. "

Not sure if you are playing devil's advocate or just waffling. Playing D.A. without stating it as such doesn't bode well here. Jus sayin.

I don't agree with legalizing chemically altered or produced drugs as that involves pharmaceuticals to become legal. I say keep the drug companies and insurance industry out of it altogether. They legalized alcohol again, but only govt certified regulated companies can make it and sell it legally. What about the organic home distilleries who have generations of producing "shine" in their lineage? What about organic "growers" who spend countless hours toiling over their crop? Why just hand this to Pifzer?

Let the govt run the man made drugs. They have enough resources to perfect meth. Fuckabunchathat anyway. I don't use pot or any other drug, so it truly is of little personal concern to me. However, I do see benefits in marijuana that far outweigh the prohibition placed on it here in the states.

The notion that "all" drugs should be legalized is just silly in my book. What practical purpose does meth serve? What "healing" properties does it hold? How do you go about acquiring a script for it? Go in to your doc and say "I am feeling way too normal and need a break" ??? WTF?

I have my opinions which will always differ from someone. One of those is that this is an interesting topic that unfortunately derailed an interesting thread.

Neither, as I stated, I am/was curious.

Why if I stated that was or is it hard to believe? I want to hear the opinions of all, I may not agree with everyone, but part of me is really interested in hearing what you or anyone else may have to say, not only about this subject but anything else we may engage in conversation about. That is just how I am.

I am not sure what you meant by the underlined part of your statement, so I am asking you for clarification.

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by Jess

The notion that "all" drugs should be legalized is just silly in my book. What practical purpose does meth serve? What "healing" properties does it hold? How do you go about acquiring a script for it? Go in to your doc and say "I am feeling way too normal and need a break" ??? WTF?

For me, legalize means over the counter, not by prescription. As for practical purposes or healing properties, one could ask the same of pretty much every food item sold in a convenience store. There's no practical purpose to twinkies. Oh, wait, except for pot munchies.

Question for everyone. If all drugs were legal, would people still do shit like meth? Or would they opt for a good high that doesn't fuck you up so badly?

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Jess

Opinion only...

Legalize pot. Never heard of anyone od'ing on pot or committing homicide in a pot induced haze. Never heard of anyone jonesing so bad for pot they commit larceny or murder or rape. Keep narcotics/ opiate derivitives /methamphetamines etc illegal.

I think I may have heard of someone breaking into a bakery to steal the brownies, but maybe I am just making that up.

Why keep the hard stuff illegal? Not that I don't agree, I am just curious.

You also forgot the cookies!

[Mitmo01]

I agree with Superfemme

make prostitution legal and drugs legal and tax the hell out of both

treat adults like adults let them make thier own choices since we all know that people are going to do both no matter what....


by having drugs and prostituition illegal all that does is make more money for the government and the cartels....

oh and it does create a hell of a lot of jobs and fills up prisons which create more jobs......

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by Mitmo01

oh and it does create a hell of a lot of jobs and fills up prisons which create more jobs......

But legalizing it would -also- create a tonne of jobs. They would have to go real heavy on education and harm reduction - and they'd have to hire people to do that.

Like I said in that other thread: making it legal doesn't mean that people who don't currently do drugs are going to start. I don't do any currently illegal drugs - at all. I don't even smoke pot. And my not doing drugs has -nothing- to do with it being illegal - legalizing it isn't going to make me start sticking needles in my veins and stuff up my nose. It's just not.

People are going to do what they are going to do. We may as well create an environment where they are less of a danger to themselves.

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by betenoire

But legalizing it would -also- create a tonne of jobs. They would have to go real heavy on education and harm reduction - and they'd have to hire people to do that.

Like I said in that other thread: making it legal doesn't mean that people who don't currently do drugs are going to start. I don't do any currently illegal drugs - at all. I don't even smoke pot. And my not doing drugs has -nothing- to do with it being illegal - legalizing it isn't going to make me start sticking needles in my veins and stuff up my nose. It's just not.

People are going to do what they are going to do. We may as well create an environment where they are less of a danger to themselves.

We could legalize and treat addicts for the disease of addiction.
Offer a safe place to buy/use and save tons on future medical care costs by taking away the risks of HepC and HIV.
Open up rehabs to ALL who need it, not just the folk that can afford a 30k stay.

And no, nobody is gonna start shooting heroin just because they can. I agree with Betenoire.