Pill to "lessen" intersex may also reduce homosexuality

[Linus]

It's weird. This story, to me, says that we are born one way or another but at the same time, as a trans individual, makes me wonder if I could have been born without the thing that makes me who I am. But also heightens that I was born as is and it's not a mental condition. What is interesting that it only (from the article) seems to be targeted towards fetus' that are "female" but with both genital types.

Of course, this will cause the right-wing types to claim that homosexuality is a "disease" that "must be cured" and now there is a "cure".

Read more here: http://www.latimes.com/news/science/...,5576220.story

Thoughts?

[Nat]

If LGBTQ people are born this way, it's an excuse to attempt to medically eradicate us.

If LGBTQ people are "choosing" to be this way, then it's an excuse for moral condemnation, denial of full citizenship status and conversion "therapy."

As long as we are hated, they will try to eradicate us. Using a fetus as a guinea pig for hormone treatment is so risky. To risk a fetus's life, quality of life and lifespan in order to anti-gay it seems extraordinarily effed up to me. For all they know, their kid will die of cancer at the age of 30 because this type of experimentation.

[Nat]

In a 2008 study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, New and her colleagues administered a sexual behavior assessment questionnaire to 143 women with congenital adrenal hyperplasia who were not treated prenatally. They found that most were heterosexual, but the rates of homosexual and bisexual women were markedly higher in women with the condition — especially those with the most severe conditions — compared with a control group of 24 female relatives without congenital adrenal hyperplasia.

"And, in a paper published earlier this year in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, New and her colleagues reported on data from 685 pregnancies in which the condition was diagnosed prenatally, acknowledging the potential effects of the treatment for reducing traditionally masculine behavior in girls. Prenatally treated girls were more likely to be shy, they wrote, while untreated girls were "more aggressive."

Moreover, the authors said, failure to provide prenatal therapy seems to lead to traditionally masculine gender-related preferences in childhood play, peer association and career and leisure choices.

[Nat]

Bitch Magazine awarded Dr. Maria New the Douchebag Decree on July 1st

You know how in Gattaca doctors used hormones to control the personalities of fetuses, ensuring a creepily uniform generation of "perfect" people, like the guy who plays Ethan Hawke's brother in the movie? Well, now there is a doctor who is attempting to do something similar by eradicating non-"feminine" traits in female fetuses—an "abnormal" disinterest in babies, not wanting to play with girls' toys or become mothers, "career preferences" that are deemed too "masculine"—and she's this week's Douchebag Decree recipient. Dr. Maria New, come on down!

That's right—Pediatric endocrinologist Maria New, of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine and Florida International University, is using a hormonal drug called dexamethasone, or "dex", to regulate prenatal androgens in female fetuses that may have a form of congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH). What this means in terms us non-endocrinologists can understand is that New is hoping this hormone therapy will eradicate female tendencies toward childlessness, masculine career choices, and even bisexuality or homosexuality. The real breakdown? New and her colleagues want to prevent females from being "too masculine" starting in the womb.

[Nat]

http://www.thehastingscenter.org/Bio...754&blogid=140

In a paper published just this year in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, New and her colleague, pediatric endocrinologist Saroj Nimkarn of Weill Cornell Medical College, go further, constructing low interest in babies and men—and even interest in what they consider to be men’s occupations and games—as “abnormal,” and potentially preventable with prenatal dex:

“Gender-related behaviors, namely childhood play, peer association, career and leisure time preferences in adolescence and adulthood, maternalism, aggression, and sexual orientation become masculinized in 46,XX girls and women with 21OHD deficiency [CAH]. These abnormalities have been attributed to the effects of excessive prenatal androgen levels on the sexual differentiation of the brain and later on behavior.” Nimkarn and New continue: “We anticipate that prenatal dexamethasone therapy will reduce the well-documented behavioral masculinization...”

It seems more than a little ironic to have New, one of the first women pediatric endocrinologists and a member of the National Academy of Sciences, constructing women who go into “men’s” fields as “abnormal.” And yet it appears that New is suggesting that the “prevention” of “behavioral masculinization” is a benefit of treatment to parents with whom she speaks about prenatal dex. In a 2001 presentation to the CARES Foundation (a videotape of which we have), New seemed to suggest to parents that one of the goals of treatment of girls with CAH is to turn them into wives and mothers. Showing a slide of the ambiguous genitals of a girl with CAH, New told the assembled parents:

“The challenge here is... to see what could be done to restore this baby to the normal female appearance which would be compatible with her parents presenting her as a girl, with her eventually becoming somebody’s wife, and having normal sexual development, and becoming a mother. And she has all the machinery for motherhood, and therefore nothing should stop that, if we can repair her surgically and help her psychologically to continue to grow and develop as a girl.”

[UofMfan]

Dr. Maria New, a highly regarded pediatric endocrinologist at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York, is among a handful of physicians worldwide who have studied the treatment. New does not offer the treatment in her position at Mount Sinai, but follows children she treated previously or who have had the treatment provided by other doctors. She declined to be interviewed for this report, but on her website and in publications, New says the data so far show that the treatment is safe and effective in preventing ambiguous genitalia.

However, New's more recent studies have caused more consternation, because — as she describes it — treated girls behave in ways that are considered more traditionally girlish.

In a 2008 study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, New and her colleagues administered a sexual behavior assessment questionnaire to 143 women with congenital adrenal hyperplasia who were not treated prenatally. They found that most were heterosexual, but the rates of homosexual and bisexual women were markedly higher in women with the condition — especially those with the most severe conditions — compared with a control group of 24 female relatives without congenital adrenal hyperplasia.

And, in a paper published earlier this year in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, New and her colleagues reported on data from 685 pregnancies in which the condition was diagnosed prenatally, acknowledging the potential effects of the treatment for reducing traditionally masculine behavior in girls. Prenatally treated girls were more likely to be shy, they wrote, while untreated girls were "more aggressive."

Moreover, the authors said, failure to provide prenatal therapy seems to lead to traditionally masculine gender-related preferences in childhood play, peer association and career and leisure choices.

"The majority, no matter how severe, are heterosexual," said Meyer-Bahlburg, who has collaborated with New on some of the studies. "But the rate of CAH women attracted to females increases with their degree of androgen exposure during prenatal life."

Studies have not yet been conducted to examine whether the hormone treatment would reduce the rate of lesbianism, Meyer-Bahlburg said.

"I would never recommend treatment in order to take lesbianism away if that is someone's predisposition," he said. "Any treatment can be misused. That could happen here. But this is not the focus of the treatment. The focus is to make surgery unnecessary."

shari.roan@latimes.com

OK so after reading this article I am thinking that a lot of bad can come from it, especially from the right-wing nuts and religious zealots that think homosexuality can be "cured"

It is scary to read this. The parts I highlighted form an excerpt of the article are the ones that are giving me food for thought. I am still priocessing.

[imperfect_cupcake]

sick woman that should have her license revoked. sick, sick fuck.

[UofMfan]

I was just saw that there is another thread where this conversation started taking place back in June.

http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/foru...?t=1682&page=2

Linus, I am wondering if we should merge them in the "Lesbian Zone" to include this newest article.

Just a thought.

[EnderD_503]

Once more with the idiocy. What's the point of all this? You can genetically engineer a fetus to have certain physical characteristics just as well...brown hair, green eyes, skin colour etc. Doesn't mean that a certain hair colour or eye colour is a disease that needs to be cured, just as homosexuality or being born intersexed isn't a disease that needs to be cured. The only "cancer" here is ignorance. The human species has evolved in a variety a ways, deal with it. I wish so-called scientists giving their field a bad name would stop trying to use science to suffocate the world with the idiotic morals and belief systems influenced by brainless religious fundamentalism.

[Soon]

It was I who chose to put it in the lesbian zone due to the title of the original article I encountered:

Doctor Treating Pregnant Women With Experimental Drug To Prevent Lesbianism

I realize this drug/topic can affect other groups, and I wasn't sure which forum to put it in and hesitated but, due to the original article/title, I chose that zone.

No offense meant.

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Linus

Ah.. I didn't realize that. However, I would argue that this is beyond just lesbians. Trans and intersexed individuals are affected by this as well.

I am sorry if you felt that I was implying that it didn't. Like HSIN, I was simply taking it from what the articled addressed.

I was only trying to get the conversation in one place, did not mean to step in any toes.

[Linus]

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

It was I who chose to put it in the lesbian zone due to the title of the original article I encountered:

Doctor Treating Pregnant Women With Experimental Drug To Prevent Lesbianism

I realize this drug/topic can affect other groups, and I wasn't sure which forum to put it in and hesitated but, due to the original article/title, I chose that zone.

No offense meant.

Originally Posted by UofMfan

I am sorry if you felt that I was implying that it didn't. Like HSIN, I was simply taking it from what the articled addressed.

I was only trying to get the conversation in one place, did not mean to step in any toes.

I take no offense or anything. I don't want to take away the discussion that exists already in the lesbian section. It is just as important as this is to the larger community. I do think it may be worthwhile to have the discussion separately as much as together.

[Leader]

It's not without health risks, but to its critics those are of small consequence compared with this notable side effect: The treatment might reduce the likelihood that a female with the condition will be homosexual. Further, it seems to increase the chances that she will have what are considered more feminine behavioral traits.

Yes, because we all know that women with more feminine traits won't be homosexual!



What a quack. And a dangerous one at that...

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by Linus

It's weird. This story, to me, says that we are born one way or another but at the same time, as a trans individual, makes me wonder if I could have been born without the thing that makes me who I am. But also heightens that I was born as is and it's not a mental condition. What is interesting that it only (from the article) seems to be targeted towards fetus' that are "female" but with both genital types.

Of course, this will cause the right-wing types to claim that homosexuality is a "disease" that "must be cured" and now there is a "cure".

Read more here: http://www.latimes.com/news/science/...,5576220.story

Thoughts?

Yeah because this is way more important than curing AIDS or Cancer. This is some evil shit right here. Bad dark dense horrible energy. Makes me furious!