The RuPaul Drag T*Word Controversy

[Medusa]

So I was wondering if anyone else has been following the controvery surrounding the use of the word "Tr*nny" by the RuPaul Drag Race show, Rupaul, and many of its contestants?

I have seen countless op-eds and several write-ups all over Queerty, Facebook, and even the Logo website about this issue. There was an article today from a Trans Activist calling out the "fringe people" (word used by Rupaul and several others) for "trifling bullshit". (trying to quote as best I can).

From the outside, it looks like there are two distinct sides. Folks who think that the word "Tr*nny* is not offensive and should be used by anyone who wants it as a part of reclamation of oppressive language. And folks who say that the word is akin to the word "F*ggot" and should never be used by anyone.

Just wondering what your take is on this issue?

[anaisninja]

My personal opinion is that if the person using the word is a member of that group, then they get to decide whether or not it's appropriate to use it. Especially if the group has been historically oppressed or marginalized. Tim Wise gave a good statement about a similar word below. I will never use the T-word, but I would never begrudge RuPaul her right to use it.

However, as an overweight Canadian female of Irish descent, I reserve the right to call myself a "fat Canuck Mick bitch" whenever it seems appropriate.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by anaisninja

My personal opinion is that if the person using the word is a member of that group, then they get to decide whether or not it's appropriate to use it. Especially if the group has been historically oppressed or marginalized. Tim Wise gave a good statement about a similar word below. I will never use the T-word, but I would never begrudge RuPaul her right to use it.

RuPaul is a drag queen, not a trans person.

[Aryon]

I feel this way ... Tr**ny may be a word many hear used with distaste and in a derogatory manner ... but I seem to remember back in the days before and after I came out in 1969 that Dyke was used in a way to upset, antagonize, belittle, berate ... I could go on and on, really.

I see nothing wrong with the use of a noun/adjective by people who mean it justly, rather than condescending or derogatorily. I frequently use the word Dyke in place of Lesbian to describe myself and take no offence (even if it is meant) when called one.

My two pennies worth ...

Regards,

Aryon

[anaisninja]

Originally Posted by Martina

RuPaul is a drag queen, not a trans person.

In that case, *He* shouldn't have used the term.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by anaisninja

In that case, *He* shouldn't have used the term.

RuPaul accepts the use of both male and female pronouns. I always refer to people in drag as the gender they are presenting. RuPaul usually presents herself to the public in drag, so I refer to her using female pronouns. As a drag queen, RuPaul is more than entitled to use female pronouns. It's part of the tradition, part of lgbtq history.

RuPaul, as far as I know, is a cisgender gay man, and I agree with you and with Dapper than she should not be using the word "tranny."

I looked up the she-male/mail thing, and I guess the show actually used the term "she-male" as well. I think that is a term no one should use. I can't even imagine transwomen using it among themselves in a friendly inoffensive way. There would always be a barb to it. I just thought it was funny when the phrase "You've got she-mail" was used. But I guess they used the regular version in another context on the show. No. Don't think they should do that.

[imperfect_cupcake]

So if someone is bigendered and not transsexual, they aren't transgendered? I thought transgendered was all kinds of rainbow. Has the meaning changed again? The "drag queens" I knew all considered themselves bigendered. Having two genders that don't display as congruent to their societal norm sex.
This is not transgendered anymore? Is transexual the only transgendered meaning in the US?

[Martina]

I think "tranny" is universally understood as a pejorative. If some trans folks want to use it among themselves, then fine, who are cis folk to say? But I don't think cisgender folks ought to use it.

RuPaul did make the argument that tranny has been used to refer to a drag queens as well, and she is that. So if she is claiming it in that way, it does add a wrinkle.

I think the she-mail thing is kind of funny. It's a pun. A joke. It's not like a person was called a she-male. But I like humor that skirts the offensive.

Unrelated to this kerfluffle, I do think that the controversy about using the word transgender instead of transgendered is a joke. Sorry if I offended. But seriously? I get the argument, but some well-intentioned slob got badly publicly attacked for it a while ago. I think the person who reamed him quit some organization in protest and just had a major fit about it. I can't recall the details. But my response is OK, whatever.

I am old. I find gender studies unbelievably boring. Hence, I don't read a lot about it. I am surely more educated than 99% of Americans because of where I live and the communities I have belonged to, but if I accidentally say transgendered and some child angrily corrects me, we are going to have words.

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by Martina

I think "tranny" is universally understood as a pejorative. If some trans folks want to use it among themselves, then fine, who are cis folk to say? But I don't think cisgender folks ought to use it.

<CLIP>

Ditto.

RuPaul's use of this word is not new and there has been discussion in the trans* community about this for the last couple of years.

I do see the difference between a transsexual/transgender person (one who sees their identity as part of the opposite sex in some way) using the term "tranny", and someone who identifies as their assigned birth sex, but enjoys wearing clothes of the opposite gender (drag queens or transvestites...they may use the umbrella term transgender, but that is not less common), using the term.

I haven't read all the details, but my understanding is that RuPaul does not identify as a female. He identifies as a drag queen (and maybe with the term transgender as an umbrella term?). I assume he uses a male pronoun. If this is the case, and he is cissexed, than no, I do not think he should use the term "tranny". Just like the N work, the D word, etc. It really is common sense.

[Mel C.]

Interesting topic. I'm not sure why some people feel they can choose which words are acceptable for others to use and which are not. If somebody calls me "sweetie" it can be mean or nice. I think The onus is on me to determine the intent prior to reacting. I don't think I use the T-word but if I heard it or saw it somewhere, I would look for the context.