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Orange is the New Black! Season 3 Discussion Starts June 12th! Looking forward to everyone's perspectives! ![]()
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I'm so excited!!!!
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I am too!
It is so much fun to be able to go over each episode here! I always have something new to think about when I read everyone's post!
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Perhaps it's been mentioned here before but in between episodes of OITNB, it's worth watching the Aussie series "Prisoner: Cell Block H", an Australian soap about the inmates at the fictional women's prison Wentworth ... The show ran from 1979 to 1986, and the follow up series is "Wentworth" ( 2013). Both are excellent. You will see a lot of "similarities" with OITNB.
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I watched this is the 80`s long before I realised I was queer or Femme...I remember a scene with a butch called Frankie where she had been led on by an inmate who then rejected her...Frankie called her a bloody little tease. I felt so mad for Frankie and strangely drawn to her, I always adored her, I liked her roughness, swagger and attitude but also the tenderness she showed at times. It seems so obvious why now ! DC |
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Boo's dad: You won't even recognize her she's so frail.
Boo: I can handle it, Pop. Boo's dad: I don't think she can. Boo: What, you mean the sight of her dyke daughter is gonna make her worse? Boo's dad: Carrie, would it kill you to put on some other clothes before you see her? Boo: Well, these are my good Chucks, Pop. Boo's dad: You know what I mean. Boo: Gosh. I am so fucking tired. I have been her daughter for 42 years. Now, don't you think she could have taken some of that time to work on accepting me for who I am, rather than mourning every fucking thing that I am not? Boo's dad: I understand that whatever this is, is important to you, but it's a costume, that's all. The rest of us, we get up, put on a suit and a tie, we go to work. You think that's how I wanted to dress five days a week? No, of course not. But no one gets the privilege of being themselves all the time, Carrie. No one. Now if you want to go in there and upset her, I'm not gonna stop you. But you need to decide whether your costume is worth what it's costing you. Boo: I have had to fight for this all my life, Dad. All my life. Strangers, girlfriends, fuck, even my own parents all asking me to be something that I am not. Do you have any idea what that feels like? Like your whole fucking existence is being denied? Like, 'Woah, you'd be better off if you were invisible.'? Yeah. I refuse to be invisible, Daddy. Not for you, not for Mom, not for anybody. So, um, I'm sorry.
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Half-way through episode 2.
Not grabbing me yet. Feels off for some reason. We watched episode one last night. The GF and I weren't feeling that one either. Maybe expectations were too high, we will see how it goes. ![]()
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We have watched 3 episodes. Feeling pretty high and dry, so far. I love Big Boo, so after reading Nat's post I have high hopes. I've heard Lea Delaria is going to have a bigger role this year. Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but I hope it gets better!
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"Do you think that growing up with all that money was good for you?"
"in what way?" "Like, did being a rich person make you better?" ... "A lot of people expect it to fill some sort of emotional hole, and all it really does is buy stuff."
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Just finished ep 7 and I finally really enjoyed an episode. One thing I like is that the flashbacks often have a theme that plays out in the rest of the episode. Can't write any more. Too tired :-)
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Maybe this was discussed elsewhere but what I noticed interested me. In this quoted interaction and the one from the character's childhood. And then the one with the evangelical bible guy at the end. The dad seems to be asking her for a more traditional gender presentation (clothing) in the childhood sequence, and I was wondering if it would become about gender presentation. Then later at the hospital, he asks her about her gender/class presentation again. She responds about her sexuality. The crazy bible guy at the hospital just walked into a set-up. I thought the writing was interesting because the deLaria's character didn't handle the last 2 interactions very well at all. I wonder if the writers were showing why the character had regrets about not saying bye to her mom. Also I wonder if the average viewer will still think gender presentation is the same as sexuality. A friend told me to watch the episode because she wanted to see I thought the butch was presented fairly. (I am clearly the AUTHOR-AH-TAY on all things butch!) Anybody have thoughts on this?
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If it was presented fairly? Gosh. For that character, yes.
But kind of hard to say to have one person represent all of the land of Butch. |
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We officially finished season 3 of Orange is the New Black. I do think the season got better as it went along. Each character grew as the season developed. Looking forward to another season next year if the show is renewed. I hope everyone is having a great day*S!
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Another thought which seems somehow related to this, is that I have known butches, especially years ago, who always dressed more feminine when dressing up. Probably, because of the danger, they didn't wear suits or tuxedos. Finally, in answer to your question, I do believe that many people still think that gender and orientation is the same thing, or at least closely related. Judging, at least, from my limited personal experience, they are somewhat related. I've only met one man who feels a lot like a woman inside (who doesn't want to transition) who is heterosexual. But I've met many gay feminine men. I only know a couple of women who feel somewhat male identified (who don't want to transition) that are heterosexual, but the vast majority of the butches I meet are gay (or sometimes bi). Just my widely ranging thoughts. I felt a bit conflicted by that episode. |
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HoldMeSteady thanks for your thoughts.
Since I don't really watch the show I didn't know if the "gender expression = sexuality" was just handled poorly by the writers or if it was Boo's chip on her shoulder. I am happy to have this discussion because I am a butch who plays around with my gender expression - that is, I figure out what my goals in a situation are, and then express my gender accordingly. I don't shy away from a fight, and also don't miss opportunities to be with my family. So when I saw the show, I questioned myself. I also am quite sure that if someone said to me or to my very straight very male hetero-identified brothers and friends "here, put on this dress if you want to see your dying mother" that I and they would without hesitation wear the dress. It's an interesting topic and it was an interesting episode.
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boo has a chip on her shoulder and she regretted not seeing her mother. she also isn't that well adjusted. I'm curious how you play with your gender expression in different situations?
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