Politics-What's on your mind?

[kittygrrl]

I think we should all calm down and learn from each other...if a person is mistaken or you don't agree maybe we could discreetly ask for clarification instead of assuming we know more or better or anything..i know there are those here who would say (and they would be dead right)..."that's rich coming from you as you were always quick to jump in when you didn't agree or thought someone's opinion very wrong" well i've learned and been humbled(& grateful for it) and realized i need to sit quietly sometimes and think before i rage...Let's be kind & realize we all need to be heard, & we are always learning something from each other hopefully, for the better, til our end...i hope we can all learn (from each other) from our own mis-steps. Perfection in thought ..is there such thing? No, at least I haven't found it. We are all on a journey together. Thank you all for your contributions to this thread...I have learned to treasure all your words.

[Orema]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

I think we should all calm down and learn from each other...if a person is mistaken or you don't agree maybe we could discreetly ask for clarification instead of assuming we know more or better or anything..i know there are those here who would say (and they would be dead right)..."that's rich coming from you as you were always quick to jump in when you didn't agree or thought someone's opinion very wrong" well i've learned and been humbled(& grateful for it) and realized i need to sit quietly sometimes and think before i rage...Let's be kind & realize we all need to be heard, & we are always learning something from each other hopefully, for the better, til our end...i hope we can all learn (from each other) from our own mis-steps. Perfection in thought ..is there such thing? No, at least I haven't found it. We are all on a journey together. Thank you all for your contributions to this thread...I have learned to treasure all your words.

No.

cathexis was wrong to push me on this. Then cathexis lied by saying or implying that they apologized to me for their insistent behavior.

I had planned on moving on but only returned to this discussion when I saw the lies and nonsense in cathexis’s last post.

You can Kumbaya all you want, kittygrrl, but you can count me out.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

I think we should all calm down and learn from each other...if a person is mistaken or you don't agree maybe we could discreetly ask for clarification instead of assuming we know more or better or anything..i know there are those here who would say (and they would be dead right)..."that's rich coming from you as you were always quick to jump in when you didn't agree or thought someone's opinion very wrong" well i've learned and been humbled(& grateful for it) and realized i need to sit quietly sometimes and think before i rage...Let's be kind & realize we all need to be heard, & we are always learning something from each other hopefully, for the better, til our end...i hope we can all learn (from each other) from our own mis-steps. Perfection in thought ..is there such thing? No, at least I haven't found it. We are all on a journey together. Thank you all for your contributions to this thread...I have learned to treasure all your words.

When the person who started all the trouble to begin with shows no signs of being willing to learn from anyone and acts like they are the one who is being mistreated then this is impossible to do in any way that would be positive or productive. I’m not showing kindness towards such egregious behavior.

[kittygrrl]

Originally Posted by BullDog

When the person who started all the trouble to begin with shows no signs of being willing to learn from anyone and acts like they are the one who is being mistreated then this is impossible to do in any way that would be positive or productive. I’m not showing kindness towards such egregious behavior.

Bulldog, you have a great mind..very great..so i will not attempt to persuade you ...so what do you suggest we do with people who don't see it our way? kick all the people we don't agree with out? ostracize them?, lock them up?, make them behave? civilized people don't consider these options..we must find options that feed the soul..finding common ground, being as positive as you can be, not leaving the conversation, will go a long way ..is it easy..no, at least not for me, it's incredibly hard, but i find the biggest battle within my own mind..just my thoughts, thanks for listening

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

Bulldog, you have a great mind..very great..so i will not attempt to persuade you ...so what do you suggest we do with people who don't see it our way? kick all the people we don't agree with out? ostracize them?, lock them up?, make them behave? civilized people don't consider these options..we must find options that feed the soul..finding common ground, being as positive as you can be, not leaving the conversation, will go a long way ..is it easy..no, at least not for me, it's incredibly hard, but i find the biggest battle within my own mind..just my thoughts, thanks for listening

I wish I had an answer to how to solve racism and white privilege. Unfortunately, I do not. In this situation, I feel people have shown great restraint and just been very straightforward with the person, yet he feels wronged. He tells Orema to not be so emotional (which is very rude and arrogant) when all of his posts are highly emotional and he's been very nasty to her, me, Cin, and Semantics - basically everyone who spoke out. What he did is not okay and showing kindness may sound nice but all that does is give him permission to think what he did was okay. Seems there is no solution other than to drop the matter and hope for the best that he doesn't do it again.

I am not the most patient person in the world and I am sure there are times when it would be a good idea to try to step back and see the situation from their point of view and show restraint. So I don't think your suggestions are without merit. However, in this situation, I don't think kindness is going to help at all. I think being very clear and straightforward is the best approach and I feel that is what people have done. In order for us all to learn from each other, everyone needs to be willing to learn. Probably best to go our separate ways.

[kittygrrl]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I wish I had an answer to how to solve racism and white privilege. Unfortunately, I do not. In this situation, I feel people have shown great restraint and just been very straightforward with the person, yet he feels wronged. He tells Orema to not be so emotional (which is very rude and arrogant) when all of his posts are highly emotional and he's been very nasty to her, me, Cin, and Semantics - basically everyone who spoke out. What he did is not okay and showing kindness may sound nice but all that does is give him permission to think what he did was okay. Seems there is no solution other than to drop the matter and hope for the best that he doesn't do it again.

I am not the most patient person in the world and I am sure there are times when it would be a good idea to try to step back and see the situation from their point of view and show restraint. So I don't think your suggestions are without merit. However, in this situation, I don't think kindness is going to help at all. I think being very clear and straightforward is the best approach and I feel that is what people have done. In order for us all to learn from each other, everyone needs to be willing to learn. Probably best to go our separate ways

Wellspoken...i appreciate your passion...it's not fair that people like me my mom my sisters etc have had to endure at certain times in our lives the knowing stares that say..you're different...but it is a fact of life i've learned to live with and made myself shrug off...i refuse to have a chip on my shoulder because of someone's lack of manners or willful or accidental ignorance regarding my ethnicity...i choose to be ok regardless...not everyone feels that way...as for white privilege..it exists and will be with us for a long time...humans need to feel special it's in our dna and unfortunately that may mean others have to be expendable or optional...but i can't think of that now..i smile at everyone i meet people where they are at and work to make a difference, plant a seed...the only other alternative is war.

[nhplowboi]

Sorry AOC but I think you are getting a little full of yourself. Instead of bashing Biden who has had the deck stacked against him from the beginning (by Trump lovers ie our major economy suppliers) name someone you think could step in and do the job. You know the old saying......to end the problem you need to be part of the solution.

[kittygrrl]

still thinking... of the chasms that exist between us (real or imaginery)...we have to figure out a way to leave our issues aside meet in a safe place and learn from/about & enlighten each other. We can do that.

[FireSignFemme]

Well if people can do that, and make it last, that will be a first since the beginning of time immemorial.

[nhplowboi]

A high five to Rusty Bowers! A true American who understands the meaning of his oath of office.

[homoe]

Shaye Moss, her mom, and gradmother and the violence, threats, and harassment they incurred all because of the Big Lie!

Thankfully there is a defamation lawsuit...


https://protectdemocracy.org/project...ction-workers/

[clay]

Roe v Wade has been overturned, 5 to 4

What is next...OUR right to vote?

OUR choice to marry our same sex partner?

WTF??

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

Wellspoken...i appreciate your passion...it's not fair that people like me my mom my sisters etc have had to endure at certain times in our lives the knowing stares that say..you're different...but it is a fact of life i've learned to live with and made myself shrug off...i refuse to have a chip on my shoulder because of someone's lack of manners or willful or accidental ignorance regarding my ethnicity...i choose to be ok regardless...not everyone feels that way...as for white privilege..it exists and will be with us for a long time...humans need to feel special it's in our dna and unfortunately that may mean others have to be expendable or optional...but i can't think of that now..i smile at everyone i meet people where they are at and work to make a difference, plant a seed...the only other alternative is war.

None of my views have changed about my ethnicity. It's just because many people think of Jewish people as privileged white people. Some are, and some aren't. We have ALWAYS been the initial group that the fascists target if one looks at the history of anti-Semitism. People have pursued Jewish people from at least the middle-ages, probably much earlier. There is much information across the web and in your local libraries and booksellers.

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by clay

Roe v Wade has been overturned, 5 to 4

What is next...OUR right to vote?

OUR choice to marry our same sex partner?

WTF??

Transgender rights of all sorts, even Loving v. Virginia, or we could go back even further to other SCOTUS rulings. There's no telling how far back they would go.

[homoe]

Originally Posted by clay

Roe v Wade has been overturned, 5 to 4

What is next...OUR right to vote?

OUR choice to marry our same sex partner?

WTF??

I think Thomas has made it clear! Gay Marriage

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by homoe

I think Thomas has made it clear! Gay Marriage

He also murmured about contraception. Mentioned other rulings as well.

This Right-wing SCOTUS (I know they're supposed to be apolitical but this one IS not) will be on a roll basking in the feeling of newly released power.

[homoe]

Originally Posted by homoe

Rarely in history has a United States senator been so blatantly beclowned as Susan Collins was on Friday.

Four years ago this summer, the Republican senator from Maine announced that President Trump’s latest Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh, had assured her that he believed the recognition of abortion rights in the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v Wade decision was “settled law.”

The senator’s assurance that Kavanaugh would never overturn Roe was completely shredded on Friday by the justice’s own argument for doing just that.

https://www.thenation.com/article/po...susan-collins/

[homoe]

Originally Posted by clay

Roe v Wade has been overturned, 5 to 4

What is next...OUR right to vote?

OUR choice to marry our same sex partner?

WTF??

Not only Gay Marriage, but Thomas has a whole list he's itching to overturn!

Sidebar: I had always believed Anita Hill during the Senate confirmation hearings for Thomas! How he's been able to keep his nose clean all this time is beyond me!

[homoe]

Originally Posted by homoe

Rarely in history has a United States senator been so blatantly beclowned as Susan Collins was on Friday.

Four years ago this summer, the Republican senator from Maine announced that President Trump’s latest Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh, had assured her that he believed the recognition of abortion rights in the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v Wade decision was “settled law.”

The senator’s assurance that Kavanaugh would never overturn Roe was completely shredded on Friday by the justice’s own argument for doing just that.

https://www.thenation.com/article/po...susan-collins/

Following up on what Allahpundit wrote earlier, it’s easy to lose sight of what’s happening up in Maine. But plenty of Mainers are clearly hopping mad about the overturning of Roe v Wade and they’re not venting their anger at the Supreme Court, or at least not all of their anger. They are launching broadsides against Senator Susan Collins (who, curiously enough, is not an opponent of abortion). They are blaming her for putting Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch on the bench, enabling the final decision in Dobbs. Some are demanding an apology while others are calling for her resignation. (Associated Press)

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/06...of-roe-n478740

[JDeere]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

still thinking... of the chasms that exist between us (real or imaginery)...we have to figure out a way to leave our issues aside meet in a safe place and learn from/about & enlighten each other. We can do that.

That will be when hell freezes over for me. Ive tried many times and I get shit on!

Good luck, I see no way thats going to happen.