The Bathroom Issue

storyspinner70 · 04-28-2016, 03:54 PM

She is clearly female. But, hey, this isn't about hate. At all. Not even a little bit.

Stone-Butch · 04-28-2016, 04:31 PM

Many places here (On. Canada) have three sets of washrooms. Mens, womens and family so that you can choose to go family (1 person) without worrying if someone is going to say you are a man in a womans washroom and vice versa. I feel comfy knowing they are available.

DapperButch · 04-28-2016, 05:13 PM

The smartest thing for all trans people to do is to get a passport with the correct gender marker. That is federal. It is easy to get changed. All you need is a letter from a medical physician (your HRT physician, for example), that you have been treated for Gender Dysphoria. You don't need to have had any medical surgeries for this. It only needs to say you have been/are being treated for gender dysphoria. Then always carry the passport with you.

https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...on/gender.html

You can also just get a passport card, but it can't be used for international air travel and you can only get into Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, and I think the Carribean. But, it fits nice and easy in your wallet.

https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...tion/card.html

Driver license gender marker change depends on the state. In my state it is a simple paper that I can fill out and sign in literally 5 minutes for my clients.

I looked up North Carolina. It looks like you have to have had surgery in order to get you gender marker changed on your license. What they talk about though is what it says on your birth cert. Who carries THAT around? Fortunately, in NC, if you get surgery and get your birth cert changed, the original is sealed, which means your birth name/gender will not be on the document. I looked up Alabama, since that is what this thread is about, and your birth cert will only be amended.

So...in sum, get a passport and carry it with you. It will be good for everything.

ProfPacker · 04-28-2016, 08:04 PM

ummm, just saying, the ability to change gender markers on passports was one of the first things HRC as Secretary of State.

dreadgeek · 04-28-2016, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfPacker

ummm, just saying, the ability to change gender markers on passports was one of the first things HRC as Secretary of State.

Well, see, that's all part of her dastardly plan you see! Hillary is the biggest anti-trans bigot in all history! Ever heard of Janice Raymond? That was her! Mary Daly? That was her again! Look into every anti-trans incident, statement, book, or pamphlet in the last 50 years or so and there you'll see HRC smiling that demonic grin of hers and just *barely* keeping the spiked tail and cloven hooves hidden by the pantsuit. That's why she wears the pantsuits. (I have it on very good authority that her clothes are made from the souls of the last puppy or kitten in the shop. Others say it comes from motherless babies, but I am partial to the puppy/kitten hypothesis.)

So, here's the thing see, once trans people have the correct gender markers on our passports she will know Who We Are. This is just the *first* stage in her plot to have us all shipped to Russia.

That Hillary Clinton is one bad mofo! She is playing a long long game.

Cheers
AJ

theoddz · 04-28-2016, 08:52 PM

I am lucky, I guess, in that I was able to get surgery (top), a surgeon's letter, and was then able to change all of my documentation, including my (Florida) birth certificate, my military/VA records and now my passport and all of my Social Security information. I don't think I've left any stone unturned here.

My worry is that some of my trans brothers and sisters are not able to get surgery, or their official records changed to reflect their correct gender identity. There are those who don't wish to transition, or cannot, for whatever reason. What about them?? They are going to bear the brunt of the nasty comments and the threats/acts of violence. I worry about them.....really, really worry....and I am thoroughly disgusted that I have to.

On the other hand, I was surprised, pleasantly, that The Donald (Trump) made good on his promise to Caitlyn Jennner, in that he is upholding his vow to allow her, or any other transperson to use the restroom of his/her choice in any of his buildings, in North Carolina, or any other state that attempts to legislate bathroom usage. As crazy and bombastic as he is, he does appear to have a thread of decency and common sense in this matter.

~Theo~

ProfPacker · 04-29-2016, 08:26 AM

http://www.cartelpress.com/north-car...n-transgender/

Yes, this disgusting and what is also disgusting is "CITIZENS TURNING ON OTHER CITIZENS" does this remind anyone of Nazi Germany (neighbors, etc say "a Jew lives next door" or telling men to drop their pants to see if they were circumcised.
And the police and others thinking that doing this "is right because it is the law" are they going to make us wear 1) pink triangles if we are lgbtq or 2) will they break the symbols down to categories 1) for lesbian 2) gay male 3) transgender 4) gender queer, etc. when traveling in the south or other parts of the country that feel they have a right to legislate against others for any reason they feel is "for the protection of their children". How about a predator wearing a black star for sex offender

04-28-2016, 03:54 PM	#1
storyspinner70 Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: VA Posts: 355 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,366 Thanked 987 Times in 289 Posts Rep Power: 8681947	She is clearly female. But, hey, this isn't about hate. At all. Not even a little bit. __________________ So plant your own gardens and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers. ― Jorge Luis Borges

04-28-2016, 04:31 PM	#2
Stone-Butch Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Stonebutch Preferred Pronoun?: she Relationship Status: single Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 3,657 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,301 Thanked 9,345 Times in 3,027 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	Bathroom choices Many places here (On. Canada) have three sets of washrooms. Mens, womens and family so that you can choose to go family (1 person) without worrying if someone is going to say you are a man in a womans washroom and vice versa. I feel comfy knowing they are available.

04-28-2016, 05:13 PM	#3
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,811 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	The smartest thing for all trans people to do is to get a passport with the correct gender marker. That is federal. It is easy to get changed. All you need is a letter from a medical physician (your HRT physician, for example), that you have been treated for Gender Dysphoria. You don't need to have had any medical surgeries for this. It only needs to say you have been/are being treated for gender dysphoria. Then always carry the passport with you. https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...on/gender.html You can also just get a passport card, but it can't be used for international air travel and you can only get into Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, and I think the Carribean. But, it fits nice and easy in your wallet. https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...tion/card.html Driver license gender marker change depends on the state. In my state it is a simple paper that I can fill out and sign in literally 5 minutes for my clients. I looked up North Carolina. It looks like you have to have had surgery in order to get you gender marker changed on your license. What they talk about though is what it says on your birth cert. Who carries THAT around? Fortunately, in NC, if you get surgery and get your birth cert changed, the original is sealed, which means your birth name/gender will not be on the document. I looked up Alabama, since that is what this thread is about, and your birth cert will only be amended. So...in sum, get a passport and carry it with you. It will be good for everything. __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

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theoddz Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Cranky Old Poop Preferred Pronoun?: Mr. Beast Relationship Status: Married to a beautiful babe whom I don't deserve. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 3,541 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,152 Thanked 9,938 Times in 2,513 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	I am lucky, I guess, in that I was able to get surgery (top), a surgeon's letter, and was then able to change all of my documentation, including my (Florida) birth certificate, my military/VA records and now my passport and all of my Social Security information. I don't think I've left any stone unturned here. My worry is that some of my trans brothers and sisters are not able to get surgery, or their official records changed to reflect their correct gender identity. There are those who don't wish to transition, or cannot, for whatever reason. What about them?? They are going to bear the brunt of the nasty comments and the threats/acts of violence. I worry about them.....really, really worry....and I am thoroughly disgusted that I have to. On the other hand, I was surprised, pleasantly, that The Donald (Trump) made good on his promise to Caitlyn Jennner, in that he is upholding his vow to allow her, or any other transperson to use the restroom of his/her choice in any of his buildings, in North Carolina, or any other state that attempts to legislate bathroom usage. As crazy and bombastic as he is, he does appear to have a thread of decency and common sense in this matter. *~Theo~*

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ProfPacker Member How Do You Identify?: butch/MOC Preferred Pronoun?: Hy/hym/hys but in circumstances like work and some other places she Relationship Status: single Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: nj Posts: 1,365 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 7,023 Thanked 4,816 Times in 1,187 Posts Rep Power: 21474849	http://www.cartelpress.com/north-car...n-transgender/ Yes, this disgusting and what is also disgusting is "CITIZENS TURNING ON OTHER CITIZENS" does this remind anyone of Nazi Germany (neighbors, etc say "a Jew lives next door" or telling men to drop their pants to see if they were circumcised. And the police and others thinking that doing this "is right because it is the law" are they going to make us wear 1) pink triangles if we are lgbtq or 2) will they break the symbols down to categories 1) for lesbian 2) gay male 3) transgender 4) gender queer, etc. when traveling in the south or other parts of the country that feel they have a right to legislate against others for any reason they feel is "for the protection of their children". How about a predator wearing a black star for sex offender