A request

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I never said it doesn't make sense to me to separate sex from gender in the case of women/female.

Your request seemed to be aimed at outspoken butch woman and things we are saying. As one of them, I am not clear on what your request is.

I repeat, I think there needs to be more- much more- discussion and visibility of women in online butch femme circles, not less- particularly when it pertains to butches (since there are so many misconceptions) but to femmes (since being women contributes to their invisibility within queer circles, even butch femme circles) as well.

Hi, BullDog. I can see how my post may have appeared to be directed towards butch women. It was directed towards everyone for their thoughts.

I agree that the visibility of butches who identify as women is important and would also say that the visibility of butch women is not something that was supported in the past.

P.S. Sorry this is so delayed...I am at work and my computer is being funky!

[BullDog]

Dapper, I think I understand a little bit more of what you were saying based on your response to Nat.

I have discussed with other butches in discussions both here and the former site about female identified butch. To me that is phrase that is used online, but for me personally doesn't hold a lot of meaning. I don't tend to use it much anymore. It also seems to be used as the counterpart to male identified butch and this so-called war we are all engaged in.

I also don't think that saying female/woman identified butch is very meaningful either. There are lots of butches who say yes I am female but don't see themselves as female identified or butch woman. Some butches say butch with no qualifiers is their gender, others say third gender, other gender, pan gender and still see themselves as female. The list goes on.

p.s. Heart I would love to see your thread on Woman.

[Kobi]

Yes, I'd love to see a woman thread! I'd also like to see a lesbian thread.....or is that not politically correct these days?

[Chancie]

Originally Posted by Kobi

Yes, I'd love to see a woman thread! I'd also like to see a lesbian thread.....or is that not politically correct these days?

It's a little hard for me to read "not politically correct these days" when I usually have that tossed at me when I stand up for what I believe is right.

In general, it feels dismissive to me when a comment is followed by some version of "or whatever is politically correct".

[Toughy]

Kobi..........can you make your type size bigger........I need a magnifying glass to read your posts..........I'm old....laughin.....

[Kobi]

Sorry Toughy, cant see the small type myself these days lol.

Chancie, I am not one to use "politically correct" to be dismissive. I have gotten more than a few unpleasant messages when I have used "lesbian". Sometimes it is hard to know what is appropriate to whom on any given day.

[sweetfemme247]

this thread is very useful to me, since I have in the past used the word him/her and butch/femme wrongly, I dont know everything about them.