Trans or Butch

JDeere · 04-07-2018, 04:02 PM

The butches who still feel female or what have ya are what i see around here as soft butches. I just cant see a hardcore butch saying they are female. Female bodies yes but female in the brain not so much.

Clyde · 04-07-2018, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JDeere

The butches who still feel female or what have ya are what i see around here as soft butches. I just cant see a hardcore butch saying they are female. Female bodies yes but female in the brain not so much.

That's a good way of putting it. I have no problem acknowledging my female body, but I do tend to think of myself as a "queer dude".

girl_dee · 04-07-2018, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JDeere

The butches who still feel female or what have ya are what i see around here as soft butches. I just cant see a hardcore butch saying they are female. Female bodies yes but female in the brain not so much.

i’m not a fan of the term *soft butch* or *hardcore butch*..... for this femme, butch is butch.

i can’t speak to what goes on in a butches brain, but i’d like to think they know they are *butch enough* if they claim butch.

BullDog · 04-07-2018, 05:52 PM

No, I am female and definitely do not consider myself a soft butch. I am hardcore - although I also agree with dee that soft and hard core are not great terms to use. This is pretty insulting.

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Originally Posted by JDeere

The butches who still feel female or what have ya are what i see around here as soft butches. I just cant see a hardcore butch saying they are female. Female bodies yes but female in the brain not so much.

Lyte · 04-07-2018, 06:06 PM

Similar terms in my day but the two main ones were butch and soft butch. One would add the adjective soft if you wanted to identify as less masculine/male acting... feeling.. etc... etc... than just butch. Then we had dyke or bull dyke as popular terms used to describe lesbians even more masculine acting/appearance than butch.

Of course, how you saw yourself was not always the same as how others saw you!

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Originally Posted by JDeere

The butches who still feel female or what have ya are what i see around here as soft butches. I just cant see a hardcore butch saying they are female. Female bodies yes but female in the brain not so much.

cathexis · 04-07-2018, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyte

Similar terms in my day but the two main ones were butch and soft butch. One would add the adjective soft if you wanted to identify as less masculine/male acting... feeling.. etc... etc... than just butch. Then we had dyke or bull dyke as popular terms used to describe lesbians even more masculine acting/appearance than butch.

Of course, how you saw yourself was not always the same as how others saw you!

Individuals self identify in unique ways.
To one, soft butch may be used for those androgenos or non-binary.
Dyke can be used as a self identification for any lesbian.
In the MW, the term bull dyke is mostly used by straight men as
an insult to a masculine acting/appearing womon (not always lesbian).

JDeere · 04-08-2018, 01:03 AM

I didn't mean to offend. Im posting on what i see in my everyday world. Ive spoken with alot of butches at the bar and the ones who call themselves hardcore butch do not see themselves as female.

But i guess how one sees themselves wont always be seen by others.

BullDog · 04-08-2018, 01:16 AM

Yeah, you go ahead and think of me as "soft" all you want JDeere, but what you said is complete bullshit. I know plenty of "hardcore" butches in real life - who like me - are very proud to be female and butch and completely masculine. It doesn't imply that we are less than hardcore.

If any female-identified butch were to suggest that a male id'd butch was "less than" it would certainly cause a stir.

Maybe instead of posting how you see other butches, you could just talk about how you id instead.

And as far as butch "brains," this sounds like the bullshit where supposedly boys think differently than girls and that's why girls aren't good at math (which is completely untrue).

Anyway, we don't need any "butch scale" at all.

Seriously, this is out of line and should not be tolerated.

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Originally Posted by JDeere

I didn't mean to offend. Im posting on what i see in my everyday world. Ive spoken with alot of butches at the bar and the ones who call themselves hardcore butch do not see themselves as female.

But i guess how one sees themselves wont always be seen by others.

JDeere · 04-08-2018, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BullDog

Yeah, you go ahead and think of me as "soft" all you want JDeere, but what you said is complete bullshit. I know plenty of "hardcore" butches in real life - who like me - are very proud to be female and butch and completely masculine. It doesn't imply that we are less than hardcore.

If any female-identified butch were to suggest that a male id'd butch was "less than" it would certainly cause a stir.

Maybe instead of posting how you see other butches, you could just talk about how you id instead.

And as far as butch "brains," this sounds like the bullshit where supposedly boys think differently than girls and that's why girls aren't good at math (which is completely untrue).

Anyway, we don't need any "butch scale" at all.

Seriously, this is out of line and should not be tolerated.

Think what you want. Im telling my.side of life not yours. I put what i see out there and you get all out of sorts. Which is on you not me.

BullDog · 04-08-2018, 01:44 AM

No, you weren't talking about yourself.

And I will keep my thoughts about you and what kind of butch you think you are to myself.

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Originally Posted by JDeere

Think what you want. Im telling my.side of life not yours. I put what i see out there and you get all out of sorts. Which is on you not me.

Lyte · 04-08-2018, 10:58 AM

My experiences have been very similar... 20 years ago and even today!

With those I've gotten to know better, they do not see themselves as female and for a variety of reasons they can't transition to something other of their choosing. Most of the time the reasons are financial. One guy I met here in Texas who had a medical condition (a blood disorder) that made any surgery hazardous. And there was some other issue that limited his taking testosterone. Anyway, to most he just seemed hella butch (he could not pass as male and he knew it) until you got to know him and his preferred pronouns.

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Originally Posted by JDeere

I didn't mean to offend. Im posting on what i see in my everyday world. Ive spoken with alot of butches at the bar and the ones who call themselves hardcore butch do not see themselves as female.

But i guess how one sees themselves wont always be seen by others.

JDeere · 04-09-2018, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyte

My experiences have been very similar... 20 years ago and even today!

With those I've gotten to know better, they do not see themselves as female and for a variety of reasons they can't transition to something other of their choosing. Most of the time the reasons are financial. One guy I met here in Texas who had a medical condition (a blood disorder) that made any surgery hazardous. And there was some other issue that limited his taking testosterone. Anyway, to most he just seemed hella butch (he could not pass as male and he knew it) until you got to know him and his preferred pronouns.

I know of several folks in groups I belong to on Facebook that can't transition mostly for financial reasons, which is sad, I think anyone, regardless of financial means should be able to get the help they need.

cathexis · 04-10-2018, 11:18 PM

Am a genderqueer individual who has had gender dysphoria even after a
total hysterectomy.

Years later (last year), I found that it was possible to masculinize my chest. I am going through clearance for surgery with my Internist and Cardiologist with
appointments this week.

Started testosterone over a year ago.

Have already had a visit with Cardio., now going for a Stress Test which is
scheduled for next week.

Visit with my Internist on Thurs. with labs already done. Unless she orders
further tests, will meet (probably via Skype) to speak with the surgeon for
final discussion and to get scheduled for surgery.

Glad I have Medicare, as 80% of cost will be covered. Sorry for the guys
Lyte was writing about being unable to have the surgery due to cost.
Perhaps they could inquire about medical tourism to Cuba. Great medical care
and complete acceptance of transgender individuals. The cost will probably be
less than the US even considering the arrangement and transportation.

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JDeere Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Transgender Preferred Pronoun?: He/him/his Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 17,752 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 31,018 Thanked 28,831 Times in 9,707 Posts Rep Power: 21474866	I didn't mean to offend. Im posting on what i see in my everyday world. Ive spoken with alot of butches at the bar and the ones who call themselves hardcore butch do not see themselves as female. But i guess how one sees themselves wont always be seen by others.

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