Politics-What's on your mind?

homoe · 11-12-2019, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by homoe

Are there rumblings she might still toss her hat in the ring?

IF so, lets hope someone talks her out of it.......

Jedi · 11-25-2019, 12:01 PM

https://www.ft.com/content/b41d0ee6-...-KoOqYkCn_Hh_g

Jedi · 11-26-2019, 10:31 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/bill...214229930.html

Jedi · 11-26-2019, 11:24 AM

https://taskandpurpose.com/navy-secr...6nhkP2FTHirq-8

charley · 12-13-2019, 12:31 PM

Well, last night, I watched all the election results coming in on "Election 2019" on BBC World News on TV. Having tried to keep fairly well-informed as to world events, politically, I am not at all surprised at Boris' win, a majority win for the Conservatives with the Labour Party suffering a major devastating loss (Labour's leader Corbyn will step down).

I am not at all surprised at the outcome, because I now understand how people - worldwide - are caught in the fear of insecurity and consequent attitude of "what's in it for me", i.e. a materialistic stance, given that many who work must work incredible hours (sometimes holding down more than one job, just to keep up) with little or no chance of any kind of job security - it is, I think, a global situation that has been manufactured by rich capitalists. It appears to be a vicious circle to me.

In the UK, many blame leadership (cough!) i.e. Corbyn, for Labour Party's loss in their election. For example, he proposed a 4-day work week all the while keeping a 5-day work salary. One of the problems of this proposal which concerned many voters was how on earth would he pay for it... !!

There were other problems with Corbyn (quite a few of his party who were running for seats had been accused of anti-Antisemitism). However, during the past few months, I did see a few interviews of Corbyn and he would launch into rather idealistic/intellectual blah-blah when asked point blank questions and personally, nothing he said resonated with me; in other words, I was turned off. In the end, he seemed to appear to refuse to answer questions directly. Moreover, he seemed to be arguing and debating to those in his own party and/or to some idealistic goal he had in his head rather than speaking to and with the electorate viewing the interview. It is always so annoying and such a waste of time and energy when you listen to someone speaking at you instead of with you.

And, then, on the other hand, Boris, spoke directly to the people, in a way, giving them the impression that he understood them and could relate to their wants, desires and needs. So, even though these "wants, desires and needs" had been manufactured by rich capitalists over many decades, what he actually did was use his understanding of the consequent fears of the electorate re: their manufactured "wants, desires and needs" in order to win. Of course, there was the very familiar "nationalistic" ploy that Boris used - in the UK's case - "Get Brexit done!" (in the same way that other world leaders tend to use "nationalism" as a means to get elected) thus appearing to allay other "fears" of the electorate. What a clever so-and-so... sigh!

Corbyn's "failure" and Boris' "win" made me reflect on what is happening in the U.S., where many would have problems with Warren's proposal of medical care or even some of the other candidates running for Presidency, because the bottom line for many caught in the materialistic spider-web - whether rich, middle-class, or poor - would be "well, how on earth will she pay for it....?", and the usual and materialistic "what's in it for me?".

All of which reminds me that the bottom line for most people who are caught in a materialistic stance is similar to the "Great Material Continuum" belief - a Ferengi concept of economics and trade as espoused by Star Trek's DS9 Nog as the only means as to how to navigate through life (in an episode most appropriately entitled "Treachery, Faith and the Great River").

Insofar as I am concerned, the Ferengis seem to have taken over the world! lol

nhplowboi · 12-13-2019, 02:57 PM

Ok, we can argue back and forth about the Trump/Zelensky phone call (only because we are dealing with a "rough transcript" from a man who lies daily and we have a pretty good idea of what was probably truly said), but how do you negate his obstruction of Congress??!! Refusal to allow witnesses to testify.....refusal to produce documents....come on now.... seems pretty obstructive to me.

JDeere · 12-13-2019, 05:04 PM

I'm tired of hearing politics to be honest. Just do what needs done and move on.

Get back to real life please instead of a circus show.

11-25-2019, 12:01 PM	#2
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charley Timed Out - Permanent How Do You Identify?: gentle stonebutch [vanilla] Relationship Status: single Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: canada Posts: 497 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 906 Thanked 1,204 Times in 422 Posts Rep Power: 0	Boris & the Conservatives win in UK Well, last night, I watched all the election results coming in on "Election 2019" on BBC World News on TV. Having tried to keep fairly well-informed as to world events, politically, I am not at all surprised at Boris' win, a majority win for the Conservatives with the Labour Party suffering a major devastating loss (Labour's leader Corbyn will step down). I am not at all surprised at the outcome, because I now understand how people - worldwide - are caught in the fear of insecurity and consequent attitude of "what's in it for me", i.e. a materialistic stance, given that many who work must work incredible hours (sometimes holding down more than one job, just to keep up) with little or no chance of any kind of job security - it is, I think, a global situation that has been manufactured by rich capitalists. It appears to be a vicious circle to me. In the UK, many blame leadership (cough!) i.e. Corbyn, for Labour Party's loss in their election. For example, he proposed a 4-day work week all the while keeping a 5-day work salary. One of the problems of this proposal which concerned many voters was how on earth would he pay for it... !! There were other problems with Corbyn (quite a few of his party who were running for seats had been accused of anti-Antisemitism). However, during the past few months, I did see a few interviews of Corbyn and he would launch into rather idealistic/intellectual blah-blah when asked point blank questions and personally, nothing he said resonated with me; in other words, I was turned off. In the end, he seemed to appear to refuse to answer questions directly. Moreover, he seemed to be arguing and debating to those in his own party and/or to some idealistic goal he had in his head rather than speaking to and with the electorate viewing the interview. It is always so annoying and such a waste of time and energy when you listen to someone speaking at you instead of with you. And, then, on the other hand, Boris, spoke directly to the people, in a way, giving them the impression that he understood them and could relate to their wants, desires and needs. So, even though these "wants, desires and needs" had been manufactured by rich capitalists over many decades, what he actually did was use his understanding of the consequent fears of the electorate re: their manufactured "wants, desires and needs" in order to win. Of course, there was the very familiar "nationalistic" ploy that Boris used - in the UK's case - "Get Brexit done!" (in the same way that other world leaders tend to use "nationalism" as a means to get elected) thus appearing to allay other "fears" of the electorate. What a clever so-and-so... sigh! Corbyn's "failure" and Boris' "win" made me reflect on what is happening in the U.S., where many would have problems with Warren's proposal of medical care or even some of the other candidates running for Presidency, because the bottom line for many caught in the materialistic spider-web - whether rich, middle-class, or poor - would be "well, how on earth will she pay for it....?", and the usual and materialistic "what's in it for me?". All of which reminds me that the bottom line for most people who are caught in a materialistic stance is similar to the "Great Material Continuum" belief - a Ferengi concept of economics and trade as espoused by Star Trek's DS9 Nog as the only means as to how to navigate through life (in an episode most appropriately entitled "Treachery, Faith and the Great River"). Insofar as I am concerned, the Ferengis seem to have taken over the world! lol

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12-13-2019, 02:57 PM	#6
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