2020 Presidential Election

C0LLETTE · 02-03-2020, 05:45 PM

Anybody remember George McGovern?

"In the general election on November 7, 1972, the McGovern–Shriver ticket suffered a 61 percent to 37 percent defeat to Nixon – at the time, the second biggest landslide in American history, with an Electoral College total of 520 to 17. McGovern's two electoral vote victories came in Massachusetts and the District of Columbia, and he failed to win his home state of South Dakota Over the nation as a whole he carried a mere 135 counties. At just over four percent of the nation's counties, McGovern's county wins remain the fewest by almost a factor of three for any major-party nominee." (Thanks Wikipedia).

Nixon won.

I'm sure there are still some Democrats around who remember that idealistic disaster.

homoe · 02-04-2020, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

Anybody remember George McGovern?

"In the general election on November 7, 1972, the McGovern–Shriver ticket suffered a 61 percent to 37 percent defeat to Nixon – at the time, the second biggest landslide in American history, with an Electoral College total of 520 to 17. McGovern's two electoral vote victories came in Massachusetts and the District of Columbia, and he failed to win his home state of South Dakota Over the nation as a whole he carried a mere 135 counties. At just over four percent of the nation's counties, McGovern's county wins remain the fewest by almost a factor of three for any major-party nominee." (Thanks Wikipedia).

Nixon won.

I'm sure there are still some Democrats around who remember that idealistic disaster.

Indeed, I am old enough to remember this!

C0LLETTE · 02-04-2020, 10:54 AM

ok then, homoe...lol

Then you also probably appreciate the perils of being too far ahead of the electorate. They don't seem to favour fascists or socialists but if that's the only choice they are less scared of fascists...and they are easier to salute so you can show your loyalty and stay "safe".

nhplowboi · 02-04-2020, 12:22 PM

Am I just a suspicious sort? Does anyone else think it is odd or just me that BOTH the app failed to work at the Iowa Caucus and THEN the help phone line would not answer? Seems like both those things needed to run the Caucus could easily be breached by anyone with a little knowledge. Also how is it Donald has his highest poll rating after his actions caused the downing of an airliner with all lives lost and serious injury to 64 soldiers in Iraq?!

nhplowboi · 02-04-2020, 12:47 PM

Also I was kind of neutral on Bernie until I went looking around to see what he is about. If what I read is to be believed, he actually sounds like a clone of Trump but reversed and liberal ie give money away in general vs give money away to your rich friends. Hearing Bernie's first serious job wasn't until the age of 40 means I am not interested in seeing this man run our country.

~ocean · 02-04-2020, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nhplowboi

Also I was kind of neutral on Bernie until I went looking around to see what he is about. If what I read is to be believed, he actually sounds like a clone of Trump but reversed and liberal ie give money away in general vs give money away to your rich friends. Hearing Bernie's first serious job wasn't until the age of 40 means I am not interested in seeing this man run our country.

^5 NH I am not a fan of Sanders at all..... talks out both sides of his mouth on a few very imp. issues.

GeorgiaMa'am · 02-04-2020, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nhplowboi

Am I just a suspicious sort? Does anyone else think it is odd or just me that BOTH the app failed to work at the Iowa Caucus and THEN the help phone line would not answer? Seems like both those things needed to run the Caucus could easily be breached by anyone with a little knowledge. . .

I heard on NPR that the Democratic party paid $68,000 to the company (Shadow - something) to create the app. This small amount leads me to believe that it was probably written by some computer geek working out of their garage, and the (Shadow - something) company is probably just one or two people - hence, that's why nobody could get through on the phone line.

You get what you pay for.

dark_crystal · 02-05-2020, 05:31 AM

I...sincerely cannot believe this caucus debacle. This was NOT the year to try anything fancy or new, like a f*cking app when the plain ol POTS telephone has always worked fine and there was never a primary that needed to be cleaner than this one.

I...am starting to believe the Bernie bros were right and the primary was rigged against him in 2016 and will be rigged against him this time, too.

At the very least i am starting to believe the Democrats are not serious, or that they are serious about helping Wall Street and the health insurance companies and only that.

They are not the opposition, they are the status quo's backup plan.

I gave Sanders an extra donation last night and put my local DSA on a recurring monthly donation.

I have liked Pete in the past and Warren as well, but i am not supporting a candidate who waffles on M4A or who caps student loan relief

~ocean · 02-05-2020, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nhplowboi

Am I just a suspicious sort? Does anyone else think it is odd or just me that BOTH the app failed to work at the Iowa Caucus and THEN the help phone line would not answer? Seems like both those things needed to run the Caucus could easily be breached by anyone with a little knowledge. Also how is it Donald has his highest poll rating after his actions caused the downing of an airliner with all lives lost and serious injury to 64 soldiers in Iraq?!

NH myself and my family were all thinking the same as you ! The fact that Pelosi extended her hand to shake that greasy McDonalds limb showed respect. regardless of her personal feelings . The youth of today learned a lesson of ethics by Pelosi ~ BUT ^5 Nancy for "ripping " Trump a new ( insert imagination here ) lol I applauded her ending ~ American news reporters need to keep their personal opinions to them selves. Reporting the news is just that REPORTING ~ Maybe most should go back to school to become a journalist like most of their peers have ! They generalized Pelosi's actions as a democratic opinion ~ when her actions was what she felt ~ she owned that and like I said I applaud her reaction to Trumps lack of ethics once again. Now on to NH ~ let's see what tricks that tricky rabbitt has up his sleeve ~ not that anything else could fit up there ~

02-03-2020, 05:45 PM	#1
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dark_crystal Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: jenny Preferred Pronoun?: babygirl Relationship Status: First Lady of the United SMH Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,445 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,532 Thanked 26,548 Times in 4,687 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	I...sincerely cannot believe this caucus debacle. This was NOT the year to try anything fancy or new, like a f*cking app when the plain ol POTS telephone has always worked fine and there was never a primary that needed to be cleaner than this one. I...am starting to believe the Bernie bros were right and the primary was rigged against him in 2016 and will be rigged against him this time, too. At the very least i am starting to believe the Democrats are not serious, or that they are serious about helping Wall Street and the health insurance companies and only that. They are not the opposition, they are the status quo's backup plan. I gave Sanders an extra donation last night and put my local DSA on a recurring monthly donation. I have liked Pete in the past and Warren as well, but i am not supporting a candidate who waffles on M4A or who caps student loan relief __________________

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02-04-2020, 12:22 PM	#4
nhplowboi Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: male pronouns Relationship Status: Divorcee Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 5,327 Thanked 3,880 Times in 825 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	Am I just a suspicious sort? Does anyone else think it is odd or just me that BOTH the app failed to work at the Iowa Caucus and THEN the help phone line would not answer? Seems like both those things needed to run the Caucus could easily be breached by anyone with a little knowledge. Also how is it Donald has his highest poll rating after his actions caused the downing of an airliner with all lives lost and serious injury to 64 soldiers in Iraq?!

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nhplowboi Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: male pronouns Relationship Status: Divorcee Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 5,327 Thanked 3,880 Times in 825 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	Also I was kind of neutral on Bernie until I went looking around to see what he is about. If what I read is to be believed, he actually sounds like a clone of Trump but reversed and liberal ie give money away in general vs give money away to your rich friends. Hearing Bernie's first serious job wasn't until the age of 40 means I am not interested in seeing this man run our country.