2020 Presidential Election

[kittygrrl]

As much as i love that Biden won so many states..i really am worried he will not be strong enough to deal with Trump..he seems tired...I guess we shall see what he will do when he debates Sanders. If he can't defend his policies and deal with his past mistakes, Trump will crush him...and we have to win this time or this country is toast...I have never been a Sanders fan but if he is able to vanquish Biden then it is probably for the best...i hate to admit that..but this is no time to play favorites. I think Sanders will run the country like he has his Senate seat, lots of flailing arms with no good legislation..look at his record...but at least it won't be Trump..I could stand 4 years of normal for a change. So i will hold my nose and vote for Sanders, if it comes to that

[BullDog]

So Rachel Maddow interviewed Sanders tonight and she went over how there has been no significant increase in youth and new voter turn out in the primary so far, including all of the Super Tuesday states, and he just blew off the question and couldn't answer it. He still is claiming he would have record-breaking turnout in the general. Just unreal. His whole premise for being the best candidate to take on Trump is a huge fat lie. It's so irresponsible to make these claims with so much on the line.

[Martina]

I gather young voters did come out in California but not as expected elsewhere. Re Bernie, he did acknowledge that turnout was not what they had hoped though apparently not on Rachel Maddow. I might not admit weakness on her show either if I were Bernie. She would probably do a celebratory dance. She really hates him.

If the DNC and the liberal media help defeat Bernie again, they better follow through and elect their lame ass centrist candidate this time. Last time they couldn't and blamed it on us. Such complete bullshit. But maybe they learned their lesson. Surely no one could be as complacent, arrogant and incompetent as Clinton and her campaign.

[C0LLETTE]

I suppose, we will soon discover whether Warren is a less selfish, self-centred politician ( person ) than Sanders and quits the race. I suspect in all decency and selflessness, she will. Sanders supporters better pray she is, though there is no reason to think it will help them.

Sanders ( and all Americans ) just might reap what he sowed when his intransigence helped get Trump elected with the subsequent result of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh ( and who knows how many more will come ) sitting on the US Supreme Court long after Bernie has moved on to Valhalla.

[charley]

Apparently, Warren is ending her presidential campaign - it was a good & honest campaign; her plan was realistic, unlike Bernie's financial plan - which is still a big fat lie. He lies a lot, will say anything to win, to have power, and he doesn't apologize for his words; he also blows off women who confront him with his lies - like he blew off Maddow. I don't think Maddow hates Bernie, I think it was clear that she didn't trust him and was just being polite, you would have to be a fool to trust him. Another old white man who hungers for power, making promises that can't be realized.

All his financial plans, even that of wiping out student debt seems fabulous and over the moon. Here, in Canada, we pay for our education. [I paid off all my student debts, btw.] Loads of poc in the U.S. are poor, living simply, and just working check to check; they are poor and most of the things that Bernie is promising have little to do with their daily lives.

[GeorgiaMa'am]

Originally Posted by charley

Loads of poc in the U.S. are poor, living simply, and just working check to check; they are poor and most of the things that Bernie is promising have little to do with their daily lives.

Not just POC. There are many poor POC, but not all POC are poor, and not all poor people are POC.

[C0LLETTE]

If we keep sinking candidates like Elizabeth Warren, we’ll never get the leaders we need.
JOHANNA SCHNELLER
SPECIAL TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL/PUBLISHED MARCH 5, 2020

I’m not going to feign impartiality here: I am heartbroken that Elizabeth Warren has dropped out of the U.S. Democratic primary race. Once again, a highly intelligent, qualified, organized, thoughtful, empathetic candidate couldn’t get traction with American voters – in large part because she is a woman. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

Democrats – I am one, a U.S. citizen who votes in Pennsylvania – insist they want the opposite of Donald Trump. No one is more opposite to an ill-informed, lazy, petulant, divisive, underqualified liar than Ms. Warren. So what stopped voters from embracing her? They call it caution: “Yes,” goes the conversation I’ve had dozens of times with dozens of people in the last dozen months, “it would be great to vote for my ideal candidate, but Trump is so dangerous, we must elect the practical candidate, the person who can beat him, and I just don’t think Warren can.”...

Meanwhile, the two males who defeated her are the embodiment of shouty, and of risky. To impersonate Joe Biden, Stephen Colbert puts on a pair of aviator sunglasses, tips his head back and YELLS. To do Bernie Sanders, Larry David hunches over, waves his arms, and YELLS. To do Ms. Warren, Kate McKinnon bounds around energetically and whispers. But somehow Ms. Warren is the one who’s too strident.

As for risky – the people I’ve been talking to admit their fears: that Biden is too bland, too middle-of-the-road to appeal to young voters; that Sanders is too divisive, too polarizing to attract the former Trumpers suffering from buyers’ remorse. But they consider those acceptable risks. We must be honest about why that is.

Full confession: I considered not voting for Ms. Warren, too.

Then in the most recent debate, Ms. Warren assailed Mr. Bloomberg, and shook me out of my fugue state. She called him out on his specific practices, his specific ethos. She critiqued things he had done, and explained clearly why they were not acceptable. I actually blushed with chagrin. The ways I’ve been conditioned to put men’s needs first! The things I am willing to forgive powerful men for! And if I’ve internalized the patriarchy to that degree, everyone has.

The spaces of power, the boardrooms and government offices, were not designed for women, or queer people, or people of colour. They’re not set up for our needs. Some of us get in there by accommodating, by contorting ourselves, by lying low or going high, by pretending we don’t notice that we’re being looked through or talked over.

Ms. Warren didn’t pretend to be less than she is. She is smart. She is organized. She does know what she’s talking about. She believes we should listen to her. She knows she’s right about a lot of things, and she doesn’t apologize for it. That threatens, consciously or unconsciously, the public’s comfort level. People love Mr. Sanders’ authenticity, and Mr. Biden’s. Ms. Warren’s authenticity, however – it’s just a bit too much./...

If we keep cutting and running from women candidates at the last minute, we’ll never get the leaders we want. We’ll just keep getting the ones we deserve.

[~ocean]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

As much as i love that Biden won so many states..i really am worried he will not be strong enough to deal with Trump..he seems tired...I guess we shall see what he will do when he debates Sanders. If he can't defend his policies and deal with his past mistakes, Trump will crush him...and we have to win this time or this country is toast...I have never been a Sanders fan but if he is able to vanquish Biden then it is probably for the best...i hate to admit that..but this is no time to play favorites. I think Sanders will run the country like he has his Senate seat, lots of flailing arms with no good legislation..look at his record...but at least it won't be Trump..I could stand 4 years of normal for a change. So i will hold my nose and vote for Sanders, if it comes to that

Biden is no one's fool ~ quiet thunder, he can take Trump on ~ w/ class

[C0LLETTE]

If I were an American and had an opportunity to vote for Warren, I'd risk "prison" and vote for her a hundred times over. What an amazing, graceful, decent, human being.

[BullDog]

I see no evidence that Rachel hates Sanders. She was polite and professional as she always is with all of her guests. At one point she talked about being a progressive herself and that a lot of what he said made sense to her - I can't remember exactly what she said but she was empathizing with him.

It's not the DNC and liberal media taking Sanders down - it's the voters. He is losing at the ballot box. Full stop.

Another thing that bugged me about Sanders - talking about Biden taking money from corporate donors blah blah blah. He won many states on Super Tuesday without spending a dime, having field offices, or even visiting the states! He was the one running on a shoestring budget. Yes, it's his name recognition and people knowing him - Sanders has been in politics as long as Joe has.

People aren't just lining up behind Biden because he is "establishment." Joe knows how to connect with people and build teams and build consensus and build up goodwill just from being who he is.

Amy Klobuchar was asked by Lawrence O'Donnell last night whether she had talks with Biden about a position in his administration and she said no. Maybe she will end up there anyway. But she said she had known Biden for a long time. When he was in the Senate still (which would have been when she was a new Senator) she was giving a speech one day basically to an empty floor and felt no one was probably listening. Then she gets a call in her office. It was Joe Biden telling her he had listened to her speech and called to tell her it was good. He does stuff like that all the time and people remember - sometimes many years later.

Sanders is turning real negative on Biden now. His divisiveness and toxicity and negativity need to go. I hope Biden buries him at the ballot box very, very soon.

Elizabeth Warren is proof you can be a progressive without all of the divisiveness and ugliness. I wish her well and hope she doesn't endorse Sanders.

[Martina]

Rachel said a lot of rude things about Sanders in 2016. Even her own pundits called her on it. It was a thing. People noticed and talked about it. I am not going to argue that. Jeez.

[homoe]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

If I were an American and had an opportunity to vote for Warren, I'd risk "prison" and vote for her a hundred times over. What an amazing, graceful, decent, human being.

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[C0LLETTE]

Referring to the Coronavirus, President Trump announced there was nothing to worry about and the virus will be gone in days.

It was a bit difficult to make out what he was saying because he was wearing a gas mask and in a bunker 30 feet below the White House.

His only concern was that there may not be enough oxygen down there for all his family so Tiffany may have to take one for the family.

[C0LLETTE]

watching Trump touring the CDC facilities ...he looks terrified and never takes his hands out of his pockets.

[homoe]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

watching Trump touring the CDC facilities ...he looks terrified and never takes his hands out of his pockets.

He's such a germaphobe. I'm shocked he even went there!