Politics-What's on your mind?

[Orema]

Originally Posted by Kätzchen

We've already had a tiny clue ripple across trusted news media reports.... Did you once read, about a month ago or so, how media pundits thought California Governor Gavin Newsom would be the brightest star in the Democratic party to challenge Dr. Kill-Joy (The GOP Florida governor psycho-boy)?

Gavin Newsome came up with and passed laws in CA in opposition to DeSantis' warped agenda against the LGBTQ and Women's rights.

I am wondering if Newsome is the choice of the Democratic Party. Newsome, Whitmer Ticket for 2024?? Go Gretchen and Gavin.


Like you, I vote strictly Democratic, up and down the voting ticket. For other fill in the blank options on the vote, like for write-n candidates challenging incumbent judges? I always use Ruth Bader Ginsberg as my go-to choice. That way it is fucking clear that I'm wholly Democrat, through and through.

PS/ did you know that our out-going Govenor Kate Brown is related to Gavin Newsome? Brown was Oregon's first elected official from the LGBTQ sector because she identifies as Bisexual. Last week we just elected Oregon's first out Lesbian as our next Governor.

Yes, I have heard Gavin's name mentioned for 2024. He'd get my vote but not my first choice, not that I have a first choice. And Gavin/Whitmer would make a good ticket, I think.

And congrats on electing Kotek! Seems she has a smart head on her shoulders.

[BullDog]

The logical choice, if Biden doesn't run, should be Vice President Harris, but sadly I don't know if she can get elected - a double whammy of Racism & Sexism. I'm not sure if a white woman can get elected as president either. Maybe.

We need someone who can bring out a big turnout with people of color - especially black voters and Latinos would be good too - as well as young voters. Yeah too bad Obama can't run again. We need to outnumber the clueless old white voters - at least some of us vote the right way!

[Orema]

Originally Posted by BullDog

The logical choice, if Biden doesn't run, should be Vice President Harris, but sadly I don't know if she can get elected - a double whammy of Racism & Sexism. I'm not sure if a white woman can get elected as president either. Maybe.

We need someone who can bring out a big turnout with people of color - especially black voters and Latinos would be good too - as well as young voters. Yeah too bad Obama can't run again. We need to outnumber the clueless old white voters - at least some of us vote the right way!

VP Harris is the logical choice, but I think Pence has a better chance at becoming POTUS than Harris for the reasons you stated and more.

I think the way to get Black, Latino, LGBTQ+, and young people at the polls is to remind voters that "rights" are diminished and erased under Republican leadership. That alone won't get them to the polls, but it will help.

I'd vote for O again, but too bad Michele ain't running. I'd stump for her with bad knees.

[Kätzchen]

Originally Posted by BullDog

The logical choice, if Biden doesn't run, should be Vice President Harris, but sadly I don't know if she can get elected - a double whammy of Racism & Sexism. I'm not sure if a white woman can get elected as president either. Maybe.

We need someone who can bring out a big turnout with people of color - especially black voters and Latinos would be good too - as well as young voters. Yeah too bad Obama can't run again. We need to outnumber the clueless old white voters - at least some of us vote the right way!

What do you think, Bulldog, about Hakeem Jeffries? I know he just was appointed to lead the Democratic Caucus, following Nancy Pelosi's tenure as Speaker of the House. I think we will see how strong of a contender he can be, over the next two years.

Do you have an assessment concerning Hakeem Jeffries??

I am interested in hearing your take on who the Democratic party might recommend or choose as a candidate for POTUS.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by Kätzchen

What do you think, Bulldog, about Hakeem Jeffries? I know he just was appointed to lead the Democratic Caucus, following Nancy Pelosi's tenure as Speaker of the House. I think we will see how strong of a contender he can be, over the next two years.

Do you have an assessment concerning Hakeem Jeffries??

I am interested in hearing your take on who the Democratic party might recommend or choose as a candidate for POTUS.

I like Hakeem Jeffries. He is very intelligent and has always impressed me. I honestly don't what kind of leader he would be although he seems to have the respect of his colleagues. He is a good choice.

To be honest, I am sad to see Nancy Pelosi step down. I know we need some young blood but she is one of the greatest Speakers and leaders of the Democratic party of all time. But it's great she will still be around instead of just retiring the minute the Democrats lost the House. I think that says a lot about her.

I seriously wonder if the Affordable Care Act would have passed without her leadership.

And no one stood up to Trump better and more often than Nancy Pelosi.

One of my favorite photos of all time:

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I like Hakeem Jeffries. He is very intelligent and has always impressed me. I honestly don't what kind of leader he would be although he seems to have the respect of his colleagues. He is a good choice.

To be honest, I am sad to see Nancy Pelosi step down. I know we need some young blood but she is one of the greatest Speakers and leaders of the Democratic party of all time. But it's great she will still be around instead of just retiring the minute the Democrats lost the House. I think that says a lot about her.

I seriously wonder if the Affordable Care Act would have passed without her leadership.

And no one stood up to Trump better and more often than Nancy Pelosi.

One of my favorite photos of all time:

I love how she said in her farewell speech that she enjoyed working with 3 presidents. She has a way of saying things without saying things.

[nhplowboi]

Poor Vicky Hartzler must be in hysterics tonight.

[Orema]

Q and A with Nikole Hannah-Jones on the 1619 Project.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09q49bzxJm8

[GeorgiaMa'am]

Originally Posted by Orema

Yes, I have heard Gavin's name mentioned for 2024. He'd get my vote but not my first choice, not that I have a first choice. And Gavin/Whitmer would make a good ticket, I think.

And congrats on electing Kotek! Seems she has a smart head on her shoulders.

I noticed that neither of you mentioned Kamala Harris for 2024. Sadly, I don't think she's up for the job anyway. Maybe AOC would make a good choice, or running partner for Gavin Newsome. She's tough and I like her.

As you have both mentioned, I too will vote a straight Democratic ticket.

Later> Sorry, I just noticed that a couple of you did discuss VP Harris, and I agree with what was said.

[clay]

I agree with all of you posting here last several posts.

AND....AND.....Lauren Boebert got in AGAIN!

AND, DeCantSayGay is an misogynistic azzhole, talk about Narcissism at its worst! (He & RumplesTiltDown have a nasty fight going on!!)

Jim Jordan has a real hard ass vindictiveness against Biden because the Dems impeached him, TWICE! So Jordan is on the trail hot and heavy, so for sure, he wants to stop Biden from being able to run.

I would support Gavin/Gretchen all the way.

Kamala will be great, given a few more years up in the Big House!! I think she got a shitty deal from the get go, being charged with controlling a border that Rumples left to the wide azz open....she has some maturing to do BUT I think she is going to be our first President woman & of color.

Pence, for all the crap he had to endure with Rumples, really inpressed me, to this day even, a die hard "stand by your man" kind of person. That is kudos for sure. That shows me, that he stands commited & he endured, with tremendous pressure to do other wise, all while being hunted to be killed by Rumples's stooges. I think he would be fair, just, & committed, all in! AND! STAND HIS GROUND!

[Orema]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaMa'am

I noticed that neither of you mentioned Kamala Harris for 2024. Sadly, I don't think she's up for the job anyway. Maybe AOC would make a good choice, or running partner for Gavin Newsome. She's tough and I like her.

As you have both mentioned, I too will vote a straight Democratic ticket.

Later> Sorry, I just noticed that a couple of you did discuss VP Harris, and I agree with what was said.

I don’t think AOC has a chance running on anyone’s ticket as VP. She scares too many moderate Democrats. LOL. I like her too, but most moderate Democrats don’t, I think.

Originally Posted by clay

I agree with all of you posting here last several posts.

AND....AND.....Lauren Boebert got in AGAIN!

AND, DeCantSayGay is an misogynistic azzhole, talk about Narcissism at its worst! (He & RumplesTiltDown have a nasty fight going on!!)

Jim Jordan has a real hard ass vindictiveness against Biden because the Dems impeached him, TWICE! So Jordan is on the trail hot and heavy, so for sure, he wants to stop Biden from being able to run.

I would support Gavin/Gretchen all the way.

Kamala will be great, given a few more years up in the Big House!! I think she got a shitty deal from the get go, being charged with controlling a border that Rumples left to the wide azz open....she has some maturing to do BUT I think she is going to be our first President woman & of color.

Pence, for all the crap he had to endure with Rumples, really inpressed me, to this day even, a die hard "stand by your man" kind of person. That is kudos for sure. That shows me, that he stands commited & he endured, with tremendous pressure to do other wise, all while being hunted to be killed by Rumples's stooges. I think he would be fair, just, & committed, all in! AND! STAND HIS GROUND!

I was with you till you got to that wet towel-of strength Pence (though I think VP Harris is ready now—she just doesn’t have a chance). I find Pence a total putz. It was people like him who legitimized Trump. I don’t think he stood by Trump as much as standing with the Evangelicals who needed someone like Pence who could get Trump in the White House to appoint conservative judges.

I think Nikki Haley is going to be the first female/BIPOC POTUS if she runs on DeSantis’s ticket as VP. A DeSantis/Haley ticket would be hard for the Dems to beat. I think Haley will run for the Republican nomination, but I think DeSantis will get the nomination and she’ll join his ticket. And if that happens she’ll be a strong candidate for POTUS in 2028 or 2032.

And the only way the Dems can win is if we commit to voting for the nominee. I think that is a message we need to push when we get into the rumble-tumble 2024 primaries. We can fight all we want in the primaries but we need to stand as one once we have a nominee.

[clay]

I agree with you, maybe I am just a bit "jaded" now by all this damn bickering, hypocritical, misogynistic, crap.

I am reconsidering my "take" on Pence....I know very little about him, just bits & pieces. You have challenged my mind to reconsider (heavily) his ability/capability. I have always valued your opinions, esp in this forum. Thanks for making me think harder than just superficially, Orema!!!

I LOVE Kamala & would wildly welcome her in the 2024 races, and we surely have been "surprised" before....several times, (sadly)!!!! I have faith in an ALL women race (Dems) with a couple, few Repubs. Gabby Giffords is amazing. She would be an incredible candidate, and could surprise us. Time to remove those antiquated dinosaurs!! .

Originally Posted by Orema

I don’t think AOC has a chance running on anyone’s ticket as VP. She scares too many moderate Democrats. LOL. I like her too, but most moderate Democrats don’t, I think.



I was with you till you got to that wet towel-of strength Pence (though I think VP Harris is ready now—she just doesn’t have a chance). I find Pence a total putz. It was people like him who legitimized Trump. I don’t think he stood by Trump as much as standing with the Evangelicals who needed someone like Pence who could get Trump in the White House to appoint conservative judges.

I think Nikki Haley is going to be the first female/BIPOC POTUS if she runs on DeSantis’s ticket as VP. A DeSantis/Haley ticket would be hard for the Dems to beat. I think Haley will run for the Republican nomination, but I think DeSantis will get the nomination and she’ll join his ticket. And if that happens she’ll be a strong candidate for POTUS in 2028 or 2032.

And the only way the Dems can win is if we commit to voting for the nominee. I think that is a message we need to push when we get into the rumble-tumble 2024 primaries. We can fight all we want in the primaries but we need to stand as one once we have a nominee.

[Orema]

Originally Posted by clay

I agree with you, maybe I am just a bit "jaded" now by all this damn bickering, hypocritical, misogynistic, crap.

I am reconsidering my "take" on Pence....I know very little about him, just bits & pieces. You have challenged my mind to reconsider (heavily) his ability/capability. I have always valued your opinions, esp in this forum. Thanks for making me think harder than just superficially, Orema!!!

I LOVE Kamala & would wildly welcome her in the 2024 races, and we surely have been "surprised" before....several times, (sadly)!!!! I have faith in an ALL women race (Dems) with a couple, few Repubs. Gabby Giffords is amazing. She would be an incredible candidate, and could surprise us. Time to remove those antiquated dinosaurs!! .

You're too kind, Clay. Thank you.

I like the idea of an all women ticket very much. My problem is that I compare everyone, men included, to Hilary and they all come up short when it comes to experience and accomplishments. I know, I've got to find a new measurement stick and not to compare them to her.

And I'm really worried about the Republicans since the moderate Republicans are turning against Trump.

[clay]

Awww, K! Thank you!. You are yourself!

WOMEN have GOT to do some major ballcrushing in order to TRULY......."Heal The Soul Of The Nation"!!! ALL of us need to get on this & fix this world as much as we can....(and now we are going to Mars....for what? To fuck up that planet? I am sick & tired of seeing women oppressed, suppressed, bullied, brow beat, UNDERPAID since time began, OVERWORKED. A woman's job, truly IS, never done. Men see to fucking the world up for us to make it all better for them. They earn quadruple what many ordinary citizens' earn. EQUAL PLAY< EQUAL PAY! PAY UP< FUCKERS!!! I am sick to death of politics, sick to death of being denied, sick to death of seeing $$ flow out the door to support war, crime, drugs, etc. LET"S TAKE A STAND...stop doing everyday job be it home or workplace. Really STOP doind ANYTHING...lt the men run it. You will uickly see a major ruudely awakening....ready? I am!!!!

Men have killed climate, pissed almost all the world off, stuck their business where it shouldn't be, created fascism, war, enemies, think it is ONLY THEIR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!, refuse to look right here at home, at the poor, at little people who are minorities, desperately need HELP in all ways. Yet, many do not even know us. But by goddess, the fuckers can sure find your phone #'s, FB pages, & emails and hound the shit out of you to get YOUR ALL IMPORTANT hard earned, heavily taxed, unfair pay scale wages to line their OWN pockets. Funny how that IS a thing & IT WORKS to fulfill their ornery, stick in the mud hypocritical agendas....as they make 6 figures a month while we suffer!
I am STILL pissed at how Rumples quickly, (bullied) his way through expediency beyond belief as he filled the NOTORIOUS RBG's spot AGAINST her dying deathbed wish! His RINO's (Trumpugnicants) assisted him & bullied that SCN immediately. Funny that!
THEN, when Biden wanted to nominate someone....what a long, drawn out, sickening shit show ensued. Funny that, too. It is okay for trumpugnicants to do so, but nay, let's shoot the DEMS down.

ALL WOMEN can right this old world IF can get that stronghold.

HOW the hell does Rumkins even get away with majority of shit sandwiches he peddles. WTF does he have that everyone kisses it? Gold lined asshole?! HAHA HOW does he manage to "get rid" of everyone who impeached him...who did so TWICE!

Latest rift with DeSantis & Trump? DeSantis is the Harvard Grad with USN distinction who is the new Golden Boy (one who kept Florida FREE (MY azz). Ask him how many folks he "killed" forcing us to go against WHO Health Rules.

Well, NOW that table has turned. DeSantis more highly favored for 2024 & to BEAT Trumpethead. Since Trump is FUMING mad about that, (oopsie, did him lose him narcissitic path to build a pile of shit up into an UNpresidentcy? He sure did!!! SO, Trumpless is spewing vitriol at DeSantis like mad. He stood up on the ONLY show in town who will have him (and many local stations denied him coverage to feed his ego.....lmao....and swears that in 2018, HE (singlehandedly) controlled that race with Andrew Gillum (who was way ahead of DeSatan for quite a while) to boost RON up. Says he called in DOJ & CIA to investigate the false claims that Gillum lost by only 5000 votes, that x number is "missing"...sound familiar? Ought to. DeSantis is his product and HE made him who he is today.

He singlehandedly DESTROYED the Trust in honest, clean elections!

Okay, rant over, Hope it makes sense..I am so exhausted I can not think anymore....goodnight....

Originally Posted by Orema

You're too kind, Clay. Thank you.

I like the idea of an all women ticket very much. My problem is that I compare everyone, men included, to Hilary and they all come up short when it comes to experience and accomplishments. I know, I've got to find a new measurement stick and not to compare them to her.

And I'm really worried about the Republicans since the moderate Republicans are turning against Trump.