Male ID butch vs. FTM??

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by Liam

For the record:
I never once, thought that this thread was about conflict between male identified butches and ftms. I thought it was about defining and comparing the two terms.

The title could have been 'and' instead of 'vs' and better accomplished that goal.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Toughy

The title could have been 'and' instead of 'vs' and better accomplished that goal.

Yes, it could have however the person who started the thread is a newbie, so that I think has to be taken into consideration. They probably don't have our vocabulary if they are asking these questions in the first place.

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Yes, it could have however the person who started the thread is a newbie, so that I think has to be taken into consideration. They probably don't have our vocabulary if they are asking these questions in the first place.

Absolutely. The learning curve can be difficult. I only brought that point up as a learning kind of thing. It has been currently talked about in other threads. The timing seemed appropriate and I hope I did it in a way that reminds all of us of language and the willingness to learn.

I did not mean to imply this thread had de-volved into a negative space.

[EnderD_503]

The term "versus" has more than one usage, as its definition should suggest. While it is often used to denote conflict or opposition, that definition does not encompass its entire meaning. It is also a term frequently used to compare one thing to another, not for the sake of opposition, but for the sake of comparison. It is not, by definition, a word that implies conflict.

Sometimes I can't help but wonder if folks just enjoy being polemic for the sake of it. In the case of this thread, in my view it should have been blatantly obvious from the start that it was not meant to mean male id'd butch in conflict with FTM, but the characteristics of male id'd butch compared with FTM. I think that was made pretty obvious in the OP. Bringing the issue of the term's misuse in another thread into this one simply because the same term is used, does not mean the same issue of misuse occurred here. That's taking the term entirely out of its context. According to this thread's context, the term was applied correctly.

I think the title of this thread is perfectly fitting for what the OP was trying to find out.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by EnderD_503

The term "versus" has more than one usage, as its definition should suggest. While it is often used to denote conflict or opposition, that definition does not encompass its entire meaning. It is also a term frequently used to compare one thing to another, not for the sake of opposition, but for the sake of comparison. It is not, by definition, a word that implies conflict.

Sometimes I can't help but wonder if folks just enjoy being polemic for the sake of it. In the case of this thread, in my view it should have been blatantly obvious from the start that it was not meant to mean male id'd butch in conflict with FTM, but the characteristics of male id'd butch compared with FTM. I think that was made pretty obvious in the OP. Bringing the issue of the term's misuse in another thread into this one simply because the same term is used, does not mean the same issue of misuse occurred here. That's taking the term entirely out of its context. According to this thread's context, the term was applied correctly.

I think the title of this thread is perfectly fitting for what the OP was trying to find out.

I agree in the usage in the context of this thread, not the other however.

[Soon]

I agree with Ender.

In this thread is clear that the OP is trying to seek out people's definitions regarding these two terms and not attempting to pit one identity against another.