Did the Pakistan government know Osama bin Laden was there?

[Toughy]

me in this color

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Toughy, you assumed I had no white, and if we want to get to the nitty gritty I can't not even in a census claim it since I am of Hispanic descent as they so kindly put it, when I check the census box I check what I am and that is Hispanic or better yet LATINO/A. Just because I was or have some form of white origin in me (btw I don't know exactly since the deed was not consentual) that doesn't mean I was raised, or am I culturally so, I was born in Mexico, my mother is mexican and so is my other family, now the man who raised me is white, he is my father the only one I know of. I don't have to explain why I use LATINA as my label just the same way I don't ask you to explain to me why at one time you use she or others hy.

Good grief.....I know you id as a Latina and I never questioned that. If I ever did refer to you based on your ancestry I would say Latina, not brown woman. That is not what I was asking about. I was trying to understand why I can't use the term brown, but you can use the term white. If it's disrespectful to refer to folks as brown, then it's disrespectful to refer to folks as white. Do you not understand that?


Do you not see how disrespectful and ugly that is? It's who I am I am LATINA the other blood or heritage that is in my DNA doesn't erase the fact I was raised as such, born as such and kept as such and yet my labels and how I choose to identify are continously questioned by people of lighter skin than myself. I don't even get to choose to use white if I wanted to Tougy and you care to know why?

Cause for some fucked up unknown reason people who are lighter than I and see my darker skin *automatically* assume I don't even belong here or hthat I am not American.

I am, I live in the United States of America, I am a LATINA woman, not a brown woman, my name is Snow and I am a LATINA woman who happens to have a dash of non LATINO blood in me yet I still can't identify as so because not only do caucasians not allow it, neither does a goverment when counting the great people of this nation.

I hear you and understand you get treated like shit by both POC and non-POC for various reasons. I think it's fucked up. I think there are some really fucked up asshats in this world who use fucked up ideas to demean folks. I understand it makes you look at (what seems to be) everyone with distrust. I do get that.

I also would suggest that not all us white folks are asshat racist folks. There are many of us who stand with you about things like 'papers please' legislation. I am appalled and horrified that our President had to present his 'papers please' to make those asshats shut the fuck up.


I don't feel this is a derailment of the thread, the racial slurs that have been used and have been thrown in clear print, yet for some fucked up unknown reason people want to jump down on me for not allowing them?

Do you not see the ridiculousness of that?

Frankly, I never heard folks from Pakistan referred to as P***s.......it's a new one to me. I learned something. I don't see where you have been jumped down on in this thread....certainly not by me.

I personally don't like the use of astericks in place of spelling out the actual word. When I see n*****, I think the word in my head....I don't understand why n***** is better than actually spelling out the word...the result is the same. If I had seen P***s, I would have been completely clueless. I'm not sure I would have picked up on the j** or s*** without more clarification. Those words are not something I hear said by my friends.

Should I just continue to sit silent and not derail a thread when racist comments are being made? I just don't understand how much more (even if it ONE POC saying please don't) this community expects for POC to take.

Is that the goal, to have all POC silenced regardless of how small and simple the request and for the sake of not derailing?

I think racist stuff should be called out when and where it happens.

My suggesting another thread for this was about the big picture conversation concerning using crayola colors when talking about folks. The big picture about terminology and what is appropriate and not appropriate on the Planet.

My goal was to have a conversation, not to silence anyone. I am not in the habit of trying to silence folks. I welcome disscusion and conversation about ideas and concepts, not about individuals. As Random pointed out....there are folks on this site that prefer 'crayola colors' to ancestral origins in describing themselves or others.

Is this for realz?

I absolutley loathe the term 'caucasian'. It enforces the idea there are only 3 racial groups: Cacasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid. It ignores the idea that race is a social construct. It inhibits our ability to understand race and gender as social contructs and not scientific fact.
Understanding that race is not science, makes it easier to move forward on issues of equality