I am... and I prefer the term...

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 03:23 PM

POLL ATTACHED (but it takes a minute to put up, so hang on!). PLEASE look at ALL choices before choosing. You can only choose one...and there is no "do-overs!"

There has been talk here and there about the term cissexed (and the term cisgendered, but since I am referring to one's sex, I am going to use the term cissexed, exclusively), and if people like the term or don't like the term to refer to themselves or to refer to people who are the opposite of them.

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body.

So, I am curious and thought I would put up a poll garnering information on the preferences we all have and would like to have an open discussion (going in any and all directions) about the term and our feelings about the use of the term.

Disclaimer(s):

I have separated out transsexed people taking hormones (testosterone, estrogen) from transsexed people not taking hormones because I think it is possible that these two groups could differ in their preference of term, and I would like that reflected in the poll.

I am not going to go into my thinking on that because it could get us off track from what I am hoping this thread becomes about.

I hope people know me well enough to know that I do not regard the non hormone taking transsexed male/female as any less male/female than the hormone taking transsexed male/female.

I am aware that this poll does not include folks who don't identify as butch, femme, or transsexed, but I would be here forever coming up with options. Just pick the closest one in order to participate. One of the terms must resonate with you or you wouldn't be on the site to begin with.

-------------
Personally, as a Transgendered Butch, I have no strong feelings about the term cissexed, but tend to prefer the terms XY male and XX female.

The_Lady_Snow · 05-21-2011, 03:46 PM

I'm Snow. Femme-Dyke-Woman?

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

I'm Snow. Femme-Dyke-Woman?

I would choose femme then. See below.

P.S. I really did the best I could. Please no one dissect/pick apart the poll. Just choose to not participate if you are unhappy with it. :-(

Thank you! :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

I am aware that this poll does not include folks who don't identify as butch, femme, or transsexed, but I would be here forever coming up with options. Just pick the closest one in order to participate. One of the terms must resonate with you or you wouldn't be on the site to begin with.

ruffryder · 05-21-2011, 03:52 PM

WOW. lots of terms. Can you please explain the terms "cissexed" and "transsexed" I would appreciate it. Thank you!

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruffryder_0187

WOW. lots of terms. Can you please explain the terms "cissexed" and "transsexed" I would appreciate it. Thank you!

Good question.

Sex - male, female, intersexed, other terms (?)

Transsexed - another term to mean transsexual. Someone who defines/identifies as the opposite sex of their birth sex

Cissexed - another term to mean cissexual. Someone who defines/identifies with their birth sex.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 03:58 PM

Hey, Snow. I just saw the title to your post.

Of course everyone can participate in the discussion. I was referring to the poll options in my first response to you.

ruffryder · 05-21-2011, 04:03 PM

I am transgender consider hormones and I prefer the term transsexed.

Toughy · 05-21-2011, 04:04 PM

wiki does a pretty good job

cis-gendered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

cis-sexual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cissexual , (from urban dictionary) http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=cissexual

and this from Pam's House Blend: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/...goalong-moment

I am not fond of the term cis anything. Don't no why it gets under my skin, but it does.

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy

wiki does a pretty good job

cis-gendered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

cis-sexual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cissexual , (from urban dictionary) http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=cissexual

and this from Pam's House Blend: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/...goalong-moment

I am not found of the term cis anything. Don't no why it gets under my skin, but it does.

Thanks for the links, Toughy.

ruffryder · 05-21-2011, 04:07 PM

I think I agree with you Toughy. Why would a trans person like the word cis?? To me Trans means opposite sex why would someone choose that they relate with their sex? hmmm..

Julie · 05-21-2011, 04:10 PM

May I am confused... (not picking apart)

But you define: Cissexed - another term to mean cissexual. Someone who defines/identifies with their birth sex.

But then you have Femme/Bio Male - Bio Female

What would the difference be - in the femme category.

If I was born a bio female and I am femme... And I identify with my Bio Birth Sex - then which one am I?

And I am honestly not picking apart.

I had a great conversation with a friend yesterday... About misconceptions of b/f (sexism, etc... what gets us off and not).

I am a Lesbian
I am a Femme
I am a Dyke
I am a Woman

(not in any order - depends on my moment).

BUT - within the confines of your poll, I do not know how to answer.

Femme / Bio Male - Bio Female
Femme / Cissexed
Femme / XX or XY (abhor genetic terms)

Julie

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julie

May I am confused... (not picking apart)

But you define: Cissexed - another term to mean cissexual. Someone who defines/identifies with their birth sex.

But then you have Femme/Bio Male - Bio Female

What would the difference be - in the femme category.

If I was born a bio female and I am femme... And I identify with my Bio Birth Sex - then which one am I?

And I am honestly not picking apart.

I had a great conversation with a friend yesterday... About misconceptions of b/f (sexism, etc... what gets us off and not).

I am a Lesbian
I am a Femme
I am a Dyke
I am a Woman

(not in any order - depends on my moment).

BUT - within the confines of your poll, I do not know how to answer.

Femme / Bio Male - Bio Female
Femme / Cissexed
Femme / XX or XY (abhor genetic terms)

Julie

I'm sorry Julie. I should been clearer. The first spot is indicating how you identify, the next one is the term that you prefer when referring to a person who is not transsexual/transsexed.

I will see if I can fix the poll. Thank you.

Side note: Like you and Snow, I identify with more than just the above poll options.

ETA: I am unable to adjust the poll.

ruffryder · 05-21-2011, 04:18 PM

However,

Cissexual is an adjective used in the context of gender issues to describe "people who are not transsexual and who have only ever experienced their mental and physical sexes as being aligned".[1] Nikki Sullivan and Samantha Murray characterized the term as "a way of drawing attention to the unmarked norm, against which trans* is identified, in which a person feels that their gender identity matches their body/sex".[2] Wikipedia
So I guess a transgender person may identify with cissexual in the sense that after surgery and hormones they identify with the body and identity they are now?

This really is quite interesting how people relate. . although some of it is confusing to me. BUT, I appreciate the thread and I always learn something new in the b-f community! When people explain how they identify then I understand them more. I respect everyone's identity and how they feel about themselves. Everyone has their reasons why.

Words · 05-21-2011, 04:18 PM

I'm a bit confused too about the difference between transgendered and transexed and why there's no transgendered on/not on hormones option.

How exactly do you differentiate between transexed and transgendered and why no hormone option for the latter?

Words

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Words

I'm a bit confused too about the difference between transgendered and transexed and why there's no transgendered on/not on hormones option.

How exactly do you differentiate between transexed and transgendered and why no hormone option for the latter?

Words

LOL. Man, I wish I could delete this thread now! (or just been more clear, I guess).

Sorry, folks!

I know that the term transgendered is used as an umbrella term, a term in place of transsexual, and a term to describe someone in the "middle". I am using it to describe someone who does not regard themselves as male or female.

Yes, the part of the word that has gender in it does not really fit then, but I don't know what else to use (I have written a thread on this topic on more than one site). I did not use the term third gendered butch b/c gender is man, woman, butch, femme, etc., to me and I was talking about someone between the sexes (male, female).

Good point about the transgendered butch who uses hormones. I myself have considered them, but do not identify as transsexed.

I am using the term transsexed b/c I was under the impression that the trans community was beginning to prefer that term over transSEXUAL.

It was really hard to come up with ways to describe everyone. Unfortunately, I am not able to add/change.

The_Lady_Snow · 05-21-2011, 04:27 PM

So what if you're gender fluid???

I'm really curious not being a jerky jerk!

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

So what if you're gender fluid???

I'm really curious not being a jerky jerk!

Could you define that term for me in the confines of this topic (I want to make sure that i understand what you are asking?) ?

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:34 PM

If people are finding the poll confusing, certainly it is not necessary to use.

The main purpose for me was to talk about what folks thought of the term cissexual/cissexed/cisgendered.

I hear some are ok with it and some hate it.

How about we discuss that?

(The reason I put up the poll was that I was curious to see if our identities mattered in our opinions on it. WAY less important)

DapperButch · 05-21-2011, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by June

Payback's a Bitch.

*Looking over at the What do you like on your sandwich Poll*

Smirking,

June

It really, really fucking is!

Never again!

The_Lady_Snow · 05-21-2011, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch

Could you define that term for me in the confines of this topic (I want to make sure that i understand what you are asking?) ?

Gender overlap.

Both male and female.

View Poll Results: I am a _____ and I prefer the term ______
Femme and I prefer the term cissexed	11	16.67%
Femme and I prefer the terms XY Male / XX Female	2	3.03%
Femme and I prefer the terms Bio Male/ Bio Female	20	30.30%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the term cissexed	2	3.03%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the terms XY Male/XX Female	1	1.52%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the terms Bio Male/Bio Female	5	7.58%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the term cissexed	2	3.03%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	3	4.55%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	5	7.58%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the term transsexed	0	0%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	0	0%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	2	3.03%
Transsexed person ON hormones and prefer the term cissexed	1	1.52%
Transsexed person ON hormones and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	3	4.55%
Transsexed person ON hormones and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	5	7.58%
Transsexed person NOT on hormones and I prefer the term cissexed	1	1.52%
Transsexed person NOT on hormones and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	0	0%
Transsexed person NOT on hormone and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	3	4.55%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

05-21-2011, 03:23 PM	#1
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,814 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	I am... and I prefer the term... POLL ATTACHED (but it takes a minute to put up, so hang on!). PLEASE look at ALL choices before choosing. You can only choose one...and there is no "do-overs!" There has been talk here and there about the term cissexed (and the term cisgendered, but since I am referring to one's sex, I am going to use the term cissexed, exclusively), and if people like the term or don't like the term to refer to themselves or to refer to people who are the opposite of them. I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body. So, I am curious and thought I would put up a poll garnering information on the preferences we all have and would like to have an open discussion (going in any and all directions) about the term and our feelings about the use of the term. Disclaimer(s): I have separated out transsexed people taking hormones (testosterone, estrogen) from transsexed people not taking hormones because I think it is possible that these two groups could differ in their preference of term, and I would like that reflected in the poll. I am not going to go into my thinking on that because it could get us off track from what I am hoping this thread becomes about. I hope people know me well enough to know that I do not regard the non hormone taking transsexed male/female as any less male/female than the hormone taking transsexed male/female. I am aware that this poll does not include folks who don't identify as butch, femme, or transsexed, but I would be here forever coming up with options. Just pick the closest one in order to participate. One of the terms must resonate with you or you wouldn't be on the site to begin with. ------------- Personally, as a Transgendered Butch, I have no strong feelings about the term cissexed, but tend to prefer the terms XY male and XX female. __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated? Last edited by Linus; 05-21-2011 at 07:46 PM. Reason: Editing as requested.

05-21-2011, 03:46 PM	#2
The_Lady_Snow MILLION $$$ PUSSY How Do You Identify?: Kinky, Raw, Perverted, Uber Queer Alpha Femme Preferred Pronoun?: Iconic Ms. Relationship Status: Keeper of 3, only one has the map to my freckles Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: La Reina del Sur Posts: 22,488 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 32,231 Thanked 80,081 Times in 15,669 Posts Rep Power: 21474874	So confusing can't we all just hang out? I'm Snow. Femme-Dyke-Woman? __________________ "If you’re going to play these dirty games of ours, then you might as well indulge completely. It’s all about turning back into an animal and that’s the beauty of it. Place your guilt on the sidewalk and take a blow torch to it (guilt is usually worthless anyway). Be perverted, be filthy, do things that mannered people shouldn’t do. If you’re going to be gross then go for it and don’t wimp out."---Master Aiden

05-21-2011, 03:58 PM	#6
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,814 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	Hey, Snow! Hey, Snow. I just saw the title to your post. Of course everyone can participate in the discussion. I was referring to the poll options in my first response to you. __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

05-21-2011, 04:10 PM	#11
Julie Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Angel * Femme * Lesbian * Girl * Woman * Slut * Bitch * Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: No longer a Virgin Bride to Dreamer ~ May 17th, 2014 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New York Posts: 4,674 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 17,676 Thanked 18,160 Times in 3,633 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	May I am confused... (not picking apart) But you define: Cissexed - another term to mean cissexual. Someone who defines/identifies with their birth sex. But then you have Femme/Bio Male - Bio Female What would the difference be - in the femme category. If I was born a bio female and I am femme... And I identify with my Bio Birth Sex - then which one am I? And I am honestly not picking apart. I had a great conversation with a friend yesterday... About misconceptions of b/f (sexism, etc... what gets us off and not). I am a Lesbian I am a Femme I am a Dyke I am a Woman (not in any order - depends on my moment). BUT - within the confines of your poll, I do not know how to answer. Femme / Bio Male - Bio Female Femme / Cissexed Femme / XX or XY (abhor genetic terms) Julie __________________ “Sometimes only one person is missing and the whole world seems depopulated.” ~ Alphonse de Lamartine - 1790-1869 http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps4d9fb6c0.jpg I Love You ~ I Love Us May 17, 2014

05-21-2011, 03:52 PM	#4
ruffryder Senior Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: guy ones Relationship Status: ... Join Date: May 2011 Location: chillin' in FL Posts: 3,690 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,951 Thanked 9,679 Times in 2,875 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	WOW. lots of terms. Can you please explain the terms "cissexed" and "transsexed" I would appreciate it. Thank you!

05-21-2011, 04:03 PM	#7
ruffryder Senior Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: guy ones Relationship Status: ... Join Date: May 2011 Location: chillin' in FL Posts: 3,690 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,951 Thanked 9,679 Times in 2,875 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	I am transgender consider hormones and I prefer the term transsexed.

05-21-2011, 04:04 PM	#8
Toughy Senior Member How Do You Identify?: pervert butch feminist woman Preferred Pronoun?: see above Relationship Status: independent entity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oakland Posts: 1,826 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,068 Thanked 7,653 Times in 1,522 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	wiki does a pretty good job cis-gendered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender cis-sexual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cissexual , (from urban dictionary) http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=cissexual and this from Pam's House Blend: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/...goalong-moment I am not fond of the term cis anything. Don't no why it gets under my skin, but it does.

05-21-2011, 04:07 PM	#10
ruffryder Senior Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: guy ones Relationship Status: ... Join Date: May 2011 Location: chillin' in FL Posts: 3,690 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,951 Thanked 9,679 Times in 2,875 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	I think I agree with you Toughy. Why would a trans person like the word cis?? To me Trans means opposite sex why would someone choose that they relate with their sex? hmmm..

05-21-2011, 04:18 PM	#13
ruffryder Senior Member How Do You Identify?: FTM Preferred Pronoun?: guy ones Relationship Status: ... Join Date: May 2011 Location: chillin' in FL Posts: 3,690 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 21,951 Thanked 9,679 Times in 2,875 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	However, Cissexual is an adjective used in the context of gender issues to describe "people who are not transsexual and who have only ever experienced their mental and physical sexes as being aligned".[1] Nikki Sullivan and Samantha Murray characterized the term as "a way of drawing attention to the unmarked norm, against which trans* is identified, in which a person feels that their gender identity matches their body/sex".[2] Wikipedia So I guess a transgender person may identify with cissexual in the sense that after surgery and hormones they identify with the body and identity they are now? This really is quite interesting how people relate. . although some of it is confusing to me. BUT, I appreciate the thread and I always learn something new in the b-f community! When people explain how they identify then I understand them more. I respect everyone's identity and how they feel about themselves. Everyone has their reasons why.

05-21-2011, 04:18 PM	#14
Words Member How Do You Identify?: Queer femme submissive Relationship Status: Married Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Posts: 969 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,449 Thanked 4,258 Times in 677 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	I'm a bit confused too about the difference between transgendered and transexed and why there's no transgendered on/not on hormones option. How exactly do you differentiate between transexed and transgendered and why no hormone option for the latter? Words

05-21-2011, 04:27 PM	#16
The_Lady_Snow MILLION $$$ PUSSY How Do You Identify?: Kinky, Raw, Perverted, Uber Queer Alpha Femme Preferred Pronoun?: Iconic Ms. Relationship Status: Keeper of 3, only one has the map to my freckles Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: La Reina del Sur Posts: 22,488 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 32,231 Thanked 80,081 Times in 15,669 Posts Rep Power: 21474874	So what if you're gender fluid??? I'm really curious not being a jerky jerk! __________________ "If you’re going to play these dirty games of ours, then you might as well indulge completely. It’s all about turning back into an animal and that’s the beauty of it. Place your guilt on the sidewalk and take a blow torch to it (guilt is usually worthless anyway). Be perverted, be filthy, do things that mannered people shouldn’t do. If you’re going to be gross then go for it and don’t wimp out."---Master Aiden

05-21-2011, 04:34 PM	#18
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,814 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	If people are finding the poll confusing, certainly it is not necessary to use. The main purpose for me was to talk about what folks thought of the term cissexual/cissexed/cisgendered. I hear some are ok with it and some hate it. How about we discuss that? (The reason I put up the poll was that I was curious to see if our identities mattered in our opinions on it. WAY less important) __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

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