I am... and I prefer the term...

AtLast · 05-22-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DapperButch

You know what? I had a question. I did the best I could. I really am not getting why this is continuing to be picked apart. Seriously.

Linus, could this thread please be closed? All it has become is me explaining why I did what and no discussion is happening.ETA:I certainly don't mind answering questions, but the point of the thread has been lost and I don't see that shifting.

Which is usually what happens among us when we attempt to talk about gender. I'm sorry this turned into a fiasco for you Dapper.

What I have learned from all of the endless discussion about gender identification within our community is that it is just not steadfast- and could be very fluid, or evolving for many of us at any given time. The literature changes all of the time as new studies are published and we see new ways of considering our identities. That feels positive to me because I can gain understanding in new ways.

I am a Female-Identified Butch WOMAN that views the Gender Blended Female Person model as most accurate for how I have and continue to experience myself. This model date back into the 90's. Just fits for me.

Mostly, I try to hear what someone else prefers, which I know you do as well.

BullDog · 05-22-2011, 02:51 PM

I personally don't think anyone is giving Dapper a hard time. I don't like the butch classification scheme. I never have. Dapper didn't invent it. Other people are not seeing where they fit in as well.

Some have participated in the poll, some haven't. I did not, but I gave my thoughts on the question asked.

DapperButch · 05-22-2011, 03:04 PM

I appreciate everyone's thoughts. Certainly I could have done better with my explanation as to what I was trying to get to in my opening post.

In the post I focused on explaining the poll and focused on describing our identities (it was actually an attempt to AVOID what happened anyway), but what I really wanted to talk about was the term cissexed and what folks think of the term.

I was thinking back to when it was first discussed, sometime ago starting with Dylan and with other things that were said it seemed as through the greater trans community was seeking that the term start being used instead of bio male/bio female, for example.

Every time I write the term bio male now I wonder if it is insulting to any trans members here. Yet, I have heard non trans folks say often that they don't like the term. That is where I wanted to go with this thread.

BullDog, I appreciate your participation and any additional thoughts you may have about the subject, as I recall you being a non trans person who did not like the term cissexed from way back when it was first discussed. I'd appreciate it if we got away from the continued discussion about the identities I used in the poll.

View Poll Results: I am a _____ and I prefer the term ______
Femme and I prefer the term cissexed	11	16.67%
Femme and I prefer the terms XY Male / XX Female	2	3.03%
Femme and I prefer the terms Bio Male/ Bio Female	20	30.30%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the term cissexed	2	3.03%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the terms XY Male/XX Female	1	1.52%
Female Identified Butch and I prefer the terms Bio Male/Bio Female	5	7.58%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the term cissexed	2	3.03%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	3	4.55%
Transgendered Butch (neither male nor female) and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	5	7.58%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the term transsexed	0	0%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	0	0%
Male Identified Butch and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	2	3.03%
Transsexed person ON hormones and prefer the term cissexed	1	1.52%
Transsexed person ON hormones and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	3	4.55%
Transsexed person ON hormones and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	5	7.58%
Transsexed person NOT on hormones and I prefer the term cissexed	1	1.52%
Transsexed person NOT on hormones and I prefer the terms XY Male and XX Female	0	0%
Transsexed person NOT on hormone and I prefer the terms Bio Male and Bio Female	3	4.55%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

05-22-2011, 03:04 PM	#3
DapperButch Roadster Guy How Do You Identify?: FTM, Stone Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,745 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,545 Thanked 26,810 Times in 5,772 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	I appreciate everyone's thoughts. Certainly I could have done better with my explanation as to what I was trying to get to in my opening post. In the post I focused on explaining the poll and focused on describing our identities (it was actually an attempt to AVOID what happened anyway), but what I really wanted to talk about was the term cissexed and what folks think of the term. I was thinking back to when it was first discussed, sometime ago starting with Dylan and with other things that were said it seemed as through the greater trans community was seeking that the term start being used instead of bio male/bio female, for example. Every time I write the term bio male now I wonder if it is insulting to any trans members here. Yet, I have heard non trans folks say often that they don't like the term. That is where I wanted to go with this thread. BullDog, I appreciate your participation and any additional thoughts you may have about the subject, as I recall you being a non trans person who did not like the term cissexed from way back when it was first discussed. I'd appreciate it if we got away from the continued discussion about the identities I used in the poll. __________________ -Dapper Are you educated or indoctrinated?

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05-22-2011, 02:51 PM	#2
BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,640 Times in 4,463 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	I personally don't think anyone is giving Dapper a hard time. I don't like the butch classification scheme. I never have. Dapper didn't invent it. Other people are not seeing where they fit in as well. Some have participated in the poll, some haven't. I did not, but I gave my thoughts on the question asked.