OCCUPY WALL STREET

[MsMerrick]

Originally Posted by Toughy

Occupy Oakland @6:00pm 14th and Broadway tonight

ps Merrick I think Dean has old news....I heard about this last week and the guy decided not to evict them.

Oh that.. The clean up thing.. Yeah that's very old news
Did everyone hear about the Chief of Police in Albany who defied the Governor ? Or lets put it this way, suggested he needed to rethink evicting peaceful protesters ; )
Let me see if I can link it..
I have only heard generally about it, don't have specific knowledge ...
It will be covered tomorrow morning on WRRL with a commentator who has broadcast from OWS several times now, Mark Lewis...Worth listening to and yes you can catch the show streaming live...
But here you go:

http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/ar...4390.phpttp://

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by MsMerrick

Oh that.. The clean up thing.. Yeah that's very old news
Did everyone hear about the Chief of Police in Albany who defied the Governor ? Or lets put it this way, suggested he needed to rethink evicting peaceful protesters ; )
Let me see if I can link it..
I have only heard generally about it, don't have specific knowledge ...
It will be covered tomorrow morning on WRRL with a commentator who has broadcast from OWS several times now, Mark Lewis...Worth listening to and yes you can catch the show streaming live...
But here you go:

http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/ar...4390.phpttp://

I found an article. So awesome!

http://redgreenandblue.org/2011/10/2...occupy-albany/

Police defy order from Mayor, NY Gov, to shut down and arrest Occupy Albany

This is a breath of fresh air. Democratic New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo, who should know better, wanted Occupy Wall Street protesters out of the park at the NY State Capitol. If they refused to leave, he wanted arrests.

He pressured Albany Mayor Jerry Jennings, who had earlier said he had no problem with the occupiers camping out, and Jennings changed his tune. Orders also went out to New York State Police. Cuomo and Jennings both said, “Get them out of here.”

But the police said no, and stood by the occupiers.

And as the Albany Times Union reported (full disclosure: I used to work for the Times Union):

“We were ready to make arrests if needed, but these people complied with our orders,” a State Police official said. However, he added that State Police supported the defiant posture of Albany police leaders to hold off making arrests for the low-level offense of trespassing, in part because of concern it could incite a riot or draw thousands of protesters in a backlash that could endanger police and the public.

“We don’t have those resources, and these people were not causing trouble,” the official said. “The bottom line is the police know policing, not the governor and not the mayor.” (via)

The occupation now looks to be settling in and could go on indefinitely.

That is just a bit of the article.

[Toughy]

One can always hope the police everywhere will learn from the Albany PD and follow suit....after all the police are in the 99%.

They damn sure don't need riot gear, 18" batons, tear gas and shotgun fired bean bags to protect and serve the public.

[AtLast]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45057545/ns/us_news-life/

Oakland protesters hold late-night march after vet injured
Demonstration remains peaceful in contrast to violence the night before; former Marine in critical condition with skull fracture

[Toughy]

The police caused the violence on Tuesday........

No police on Wed night.....no violence.......

figure it out folks

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by Toughy

The police caused the violence on Tuesday........

No police on Wed night.....no violence.......

figure it out folks

It seems like a lot of people don't get this. They think that people were being violent so the police came. They don't realize that people were being peaceful until the police showed up and started pushing people around that were peacefully walking down the street.

[AtLast]

If someone can post informative links about what happened in Oakland and the injured young man, please do.

Many conflicting stories floating around about how it came to happen. From the cops being pelted with paint, rocks, etc. when they asked demonstrators to get back on the sidewalk- to no one was doing a thing to provoke any police action. Also, it took much longer than it should have to get that kid to a medical facility due to chaos. Some of the folks that were trying to help him were shot at too, while trying to carry him closer to where medics could treat him??

I have had it with these "non-lethal" weapons claims. If you shoot someone with one at point blank range and hit certain areas, they can kill. This kid has a fractured skull ans last I heard (6 am) is in critical condition.

I know the blame is going to back and forth- what I am interested in is how we can demonstrate our dissent and not have this happen. And no, that won't include just letting people camp and march where they want. There needs to be ER services available, specified public free speech areas and common sense. Permits include services and resources for our right to assemble and protest as well as safety routes for ER vehicles.

Protests can be very important in effecting change, but violence and chaos do nothing to effect change. The 99% includes people from the far left to moderates. Even folks that have some conservative views- we are all getting screwed by the 1%. In fact, this is the first time I really seen a movement marching in the streets in which people that most of the time would not cross paths, have differing political views, sexualities, as well as educational levels or professions and differ in race out there together. In some cities fire fighters and police officers have joined in. Actually, I like this about the OWS movement- it does represent the 99%- the whole point of the movement.

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by AtLast

If someone can post informative links about what happened in Oakland and the injured young man, please do.

Many conflicting stories floating around about how it came to happen. From the cops being pelted with paint, rocks, etc. when they asked demonstrators to get back on the sidewalk- to no one was doing a thing to provoke any police action. Also, it took much longer than it should have to get that kid to a medical facility due to chaos. Some of the folks that were trying to help him were shot at too, while trying to carry him closer to where medics could treat him??

I have had it with these "non-lethal" weapons claims. If you shoot someone with one at point blank range and hit certain areas, they can kill. This kid has a fractured skull ans last I heard (6 am) is in critical condition.

I know the blame is going to back and forth- what I am interested in is how we can demonstrate our dissent and not have this happen. And no, that won't include just letting people camp and march where they want. There needs to be ER services available, specified public free speech areas and common sense. Permits include services and resources for our right to assemble and protest as well as safety routes for ER vehicles.

Protests can be very important in effecting change, but violence and chaos do nothing to effect change. The 99% includes people from the far left to moderates. Even folks that have some conservative views- we are all getting screwed by the 1%. In fact, this is the first time I really seen a movement marching in the streets in which people that most of the time would not cross paths, have differing political views, sexualities, as well as educational levels or professions and differ in race out there together. In some cities fire fighters and police officers have joined in. Actually, I like this about the OWS movement- it does represent the 99%- the whole point of the movement.

http://www.businessinsider.com/this-...rotest-2011-10


Scott Olsen survived two tours of Iraq, but his life could be over after being critically injured by a police projectile at Occupy Oakland, The Guardian reports. He's 24 years old.

As we know, Occupy Oakland got incredibly ugly this week as police tried to remove protesters from their camp in front of City Hall by using tear gas, fire crackers, and rubber bullets.

Olsen suffered a head injury on Tuesday night, and is now in critical condition in Oakland's Highland Hospital. Jay Finneburgh, a photographer on the scene, managed to witness and take pictures of the incident. Police policy specifically prohibits the firing of these weapons at a person's head.

"This poor guy was right behind me when he was hit in the head with a police projectile. He went down hard and did not get up," Finneburgh wrote.

At first, Doctors told Olsen's friends that he was in critical, but stable condition. Now they're being told that his skull has been fractured and his brain is beginning to swell. Neurologists are in the process of determining whether or not he will require surgery.

According to Keith Shannon, a friend who served with Olsen during his time in Iraq, Olsen was hit in the head with a tear gas or smoke canister, and he has the scar on his head to prove it.

Meanwhile, Oakland police admit that they used tear gas and baton rounds, but have denied the use of flash bang grenades. Protesters, however, say they saw police use them, and the more video that comes out, the harder it is to believe the police.

Olsen hails from Wisconsin, served tours of Iraq in 2006 and 2007, and is active in both Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War.

You can see a video of him collapsing and injured below.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/this-...#ixzz1c0pcVmVh




Here is the video also. It shows the police throwing a flash bomb right in the middle of them while they are trying to help him.

[MsMerrick]

Originally Posted by AtLast

If someone can post informative links about what happened in Oakland and the injured young man, please do.

Many conflicting stories floating around about how it came to happen. From the cops being pelted with paint, rocks, etc. when they asked demonstrators to get back on the sidewalk- to no one was doing a thing to provoke any police action. Also, it took much longer than it should have to get that kid to a medical facility due to chaos. Some of the folks that were trying to help him were shot at too, while trying to carry him closer to where medics could treat him??

.

I posted such links yesterday evening and yes, you can see very clearly , people rush back to help the young man lying on the ground..and a Police person, lobs a Flash Bomb DIRECTLY into the middle of teh group trying to help! Very Al-Quaeda esque ....! Attack one person or thing, then lob another attack when people rush to help...

[nowandthen]

Originally Posted by Toughy

The police caused the violence on Tuesday........

No police on Wed night.....no violence.......

figure it out folks

Actually, there were plenty of police they boxed us in as we marched around. they stayed on a one block away perimeter, and there was a 15 car 9 van caravan of police following the march staging and the moving and re-staging as we moved. It was a peaceful march and folks keep encouraging others to stay peaceful it was pretty cool. They closed Bart so folks could not go over to SF as some intended after our general assembly which voted for a general strike on Nov. 2 which was the first general strike vote since 1947. Anyway, I hope the mayor resigns.

[nowandthen]

One of the many things I noticed yesterday was the mix of folks and that those folks talked about poor folks, homeless folks, not just the middle class. For me, this fight is not about going back to what we had, it is going forward to something new. The middle class mostly white who are now losing a way of life many folks never had need to re-think how they want to change the system so that we all benefit, instead of supporting a herman cain kind of theory, your poor and homeless and it is your fault.


Barbara Lee our State Rep and a Mills Alum
I shared my outrage and grave concern about the police brutality in Oakland directly with the Mayor. My thoughts go out to the injured and especially Scott Olsen. I strongly support the occupy movement and continue to stand with the peaceful protesters in this struggle for economic justice and equality.

[nowandthen]

Cross=posted from Facebook: (Luz, Andrew, Andreana and I have submitted the following proposal to "Occupy Oakland." We will keep everyone updated on its status. It is based on the statement approved by Occupy Boston.)

RESOLUTION: Memorandum of Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples

WHEREAS, those participating in “Occupy Oakland” acknowledge that the United States of America is a colonial country, and that we are guests upon stolen indigenous land that has already been occupied for centuries, Oakland being the ancestral land of the Ohlone people; and


WHEREAS, members of the Indigenous Peoples continued to resist the violent oppression and exploitation of the colonizers since they first arrived on this continent, and as a result have a great amount of experience that could strengthen this movement; and


WHEREAS, after centuries of disregard for the welfare of future generations, and the consistent disrespect and exploitation of the Earth, we find ourselves on a polluted and disturbed planet, lacking the wisdom to live sustainably at peace with the community of Life; therefore be it

RESOLVED, That we seek the involvement of indigenous peoples in the rebuilding of a new society on their ancestral land; and

As a signal to the national “Occupy” movement and Indigenois Peoples who have felt excluded who have felt excluded by the colonialist language used to name this movement, it shall be declared that “Occupy Oakland" aspires to “Decolonize Oakland" with the guidance and participation of Indigenous Peoples; and


Extending an open hand of humility and friendship, we hereby invite Indigenous Peoples to join us in this popular uprising now taking place across this continent. We wish to further the process of healing and reconciliation and implore Indigenous Peoples to share their wisdom and guidance, as they see fit, so as to help us restore true freedom and democracy and initiate a new era of peace and cooperation that will work for everyone, including the Earth and the original inhabitants of this land In Solidarity,

Joanne Barker (510-206-9527)

Luz Calvo

Andreana Clay

Andrew Jolivette

[SoNotHer]

There are different rivers running to this delta right now - the disadvantage of asynchronous communication. It's important, however, to focus on the confluence suggested by these rivers of thought.

1) I do think the term "occupy" is not a good one, and if the movement evolves, as I hope it does, this should change.

2) Pain, loss and violence have already begun, whether or not it's at the protests or it's the many injustices and indignities we will never see or know of that have come about as the rich most certainly have gotten richer and the poor poorer. Some of us know people who are losing their homes, in medical bankruptcy, making choices between food and medication, working minimum-wage jobs, not working, not surviving. This battle started a long time ago, and there have long been casualties.

3) We all desire social and economic justice/equality, positive momentum and the opportunity for all to survive and thrive. We are looking for a greater semblance of balance in a system that feels increasingly imbalanced.

So let's agree on the larger points and allow ourselves to respectfully disagree on the some of the finer points for now. I believe these too will work out in time.

If we do not have solidarity here, I can assure we will not be effective against a formidable opponent that has absolutely no interest in giving up the power it has so well accrued.

[MsMerrick]

Originally Posted by MsMerrick

I have only heard generally about it, don't have specific knowledge ...
It will be covered tomorrow morning on WRRL with a commentator who has broadcast from OWS several times now, Mark Lewis...Worth listening to and yes you can catch the show streaming live...
But here you go:

http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/ar...4390.phpttp://

That would be Mark RILEY .. Excellent commentator...
My brain.. is well...

[Ebon]

She was at Oakland last night and was there when the police came in. Interesting interview.

[MsMerrick]

In Oakland last night, Scott Olsen, a former Marine, two-time Iraq war veteran, and member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, sustained a skull fracture after being shot in the head with a police projectile while peacefully participating in an Occupy Oakland.

Badly hurt
But the maybe even worse part, is that when people rushed to try and help the young man, lying badly wounded unable to move on the ground the police DELIBERATELY TOSS A FLASH BOMB INTO THE GROUP.
Oh yes, who's tactic is that?? Terrorist tactic? Wait until the medics rush in then throw a second bomb??
WTF is going on in this country..
The young man is in critical condition, with brain injuries.
have a link
Iraq Veterans Release

Sign some petitions, recall the Mayor...
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Recall...285437?sk=wall


http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/...oliceBrutality
This is beyond disgusting....

[greeneyedgrrl]

footage from last nite at oo
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsUwdNhNdeE"]Just Another Night in Oakland - OPD vs. OCCUPY - YouTube[/nomedia]

[greeneyedgrrl]

RFT interview with Boots Riley at OO last nite https://www.facebook.com/video/video...56246521092479

[greeneyedgrrl]

has anyone seen this ish?http://boingboing.net/2011/10/20/nao...inary-law.html