Are butches really a dying breed?

Breezy · 04-23-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KerrieH

My definition of old school: when a butch/guy/trans treats the ladies with respect. They open the doors for them. They bring flowers (first date, first meet, and anything in between). A person would NEVER even think about doing anything with a friend or acquaintance's person (whethet they be together or they know their friend likes them).

I am 28 years old and most of the people that I have been around (other than members of the planet) do not even attempt to open the door for
Their partners. They dont bring flowers.

IMO these are some characteristics of an OSOF butch. These are characteristics that I am PROUD to have.

Precisely, Kerrie. You keep up the good work. She's coming to you. The one you both deserve.

tara_kerrie · 04-23-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Breezy

Precisely, Kerrie. You keep up the good work. She's coming to you. The one you both deserve.

Thank You Breezy. I will keep up the good work. Surely there is someone out there who will appreciate those things about me!

LaneyDoll · 04-23-2012, 10:10 AM

I am wondering about this...

Could it be that butches and femmes are not so much a dying breed as it is that the entire community is evolving? Today, we have more people identifying as genderfluid/genderqueer/androgynous than we did in the past.

So maybe it is not that breeds are dying as much as they are becoming more specialized?

Luckydwg07 · 04-23-2012, 11:16 AM

I don't believe we've been pinned down yet....I don't think we should. All these terms & styles of butchres will always BE. I can say (now that I have some years to my life) that I have evolved in their minds with more than one terms but I always have been the butch I see today.
Does this make sense? I hope so because I started as a kid being labled atomboy/farm hand then a sporty butch in h.s. then in the mid 80's androgynous when hitting the limelight in nyc & now butch as a mature person. However people r still curious because they sometimes aren't sure how to see me.
I am all of the above and still me.
I just think sometimes names become popular & fashionable for a time & then repeat as time passes as well....we create & as Corkey said keep evolving.
I am too
Thanx for the thread

AtLast · 04-23-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LaneyDoll

I am wondering about this...

Could it be that butches and femmes are not so much a dying breed as it is that the entire community is evolving? Today, we have more people identifying as genderfluid/genderqueer/androgynous than we did in the past.

So maybe it is not that breeds are dying as much as they are becoming more specialized?

I think what you are saying here makes a lot of sense and personally, even as a butch in my 60's, feel this is positive. I have always felt that my being a butch is centered in gender fluidity and that one does not have to be trans or inter-gendered to reap the benefits of a more open way to experience gender as it is evolving today.

We are a sub-set within the glorious range of gender identity that is evolving today. In the future, I hope that statements like butches being a "dying breed" finds its way out of our conversations. Always feels like a "vs." statement that has caused pain between all of us and impeded our ability to communicate.

When I first saw the title to this thread, I have to admit, I thought about how it might be viewed as anti-trans to some members. Although, posts are from a various members with differing gender identifications- kewl!

LaneyDoll · 04-23-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AtLast

I think what you are saying here makes a lot of sense and personally, even as a butch in my 60's, feel this is positive. I have always felt that my being a butch is centered in gender fluidity and that one does not have to be trans or inter-gendered to reap the benefits of a more open way to experience gender as it is evolving today.

We are a sub-set within the glorious range of gender identity that is evolving today. In the future, I hope that statements like butches being a "dying breed" finds its way out of our conversations. Always feels like a "vs." statement that has caused pain between all of us and impeded our ability to communicate.

When I first saw the title to this thread, I have to admit, I thought about how it might be viewed as anti-trans to some members. Although, posts are from a various members with differing gender identifications- kewl!

I am glad you read it as positive because I mean it that way. I am in a lucky position. My involvement in the BDSM lifestyle allows me to meet a variety of people. I have a lot of friends who identify as queer/genderqueer/genderfluid/andro. And they are ALL in their 20s. So, to me, it seems to be that the younger generations are identifying in ways outside of "butch/femme."

Apocalipstic · 04-23-2012, 02:50 PM

I like to think of it like I think of radio.

Radio used to be just top 40, now stations are quite specialized.

Mr Nice Guy · 04-23-2012, 03:47 PM

Still here, still Butch and happy being so.

04-23-2012, 10:10 AM	#3
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Luckydwg07 Member How Do You Identify?: Yes Ma'am! Butchiness- hard shell candy with a soft center Relationship Status: I've bee found-Life has new meaning to me Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: yankee in southern waters Posts: 352 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 685 Thanked 312 Times in 136 Posts Rep Power: 2730230	the pinyada :) labels - blindfold??? I don't believe we've been pinned down yet....I don't think we should. All these terms & styles of butchres will always BE. I can say (now that I have some years to my life) that I have evolved in their minds with more than one terms but I always have been the butch I see today. Does this make sense? I hope so because I started as a kid being labled atomboy/farm hand then a sporty butch in h.s. then in the mid 80's androgynous when hitting the limelight in nyc & now butch as a mature person. However people r still curious because they sometimes aren't sure how to see me. I am all of the above and still me. I just think sometimes names become popular & fashionable for a time & then repeat as time passes as well....we create & as Corkey said keep evolving. I am too Thanx for the thread __________________ Dogs' Lives are too Short. Their Only Fault Really. Agnos Sligh Turnbull

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