What men say about women when they don't know you've lived as a woman

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Originally Posted by CherylNYC

It's endlessly irritating to me that we can't simply discuss male misogyny without having to add that 'women say f**ked up stuff, too'. Or my favourite, 'Women abuse/rape men, too'. It's really, really OK to talk about male misogyny without talking about ways in which women fail. Really.

Yes, yes, yes, yes!! Thank you for saying this. There must be some way in which this is extremely threatening because many women feel the need to come to the defense of men or male id'd people whenever this kind of conversation starts. I don't think it's necessary to divert the focus. I think discussing misogyny is always worthwhile. I think communication, accountability and honesty are key in order to bring about change. As women or female bodied people we don't need to protect or defend or deflect.

This kind of stuff reminds me of conversations about racism where someone feels it's important to say that black people had slaves and/or sold rival tribe members to slave traders.