For Classic Movie Fans

[cinderella]

Admidttedly, it is a 'chick flick', but in a universal sense, but it has alot of 'noirish' and gothic flavor. It is beautifully photographed, and just has such a dream-like quality. It is a beautiful film. I think you'll like it, despite of all of your testosterone...

Summary: Kinda like Anna Karinina, at least it reminds me of that, except without the 'train' tragedy.

A love-struck pre-pubescent falls deeply in love with the new tenant in her apt. building - he is a concert pianist. She adores and worships him. They meet years later when she is a young woman. He wines & dines her, she is still madly in love with him. He is a proverbial playboy, she is just another notch on his belt, where he is her whole life.

Life gets in the way, and their lives take a very different turn. The meet years later. They have a short interlude, and after the wine and brief encounter, she realizes to her dismay, that he doesn't remember her.

In the interim she has married and had a child. The child is the pianist's child, being passed off as her hunband's who does know it is not his child. During a chance encounter where they meet, and again persue their romance (tho he's not aware of who she is - he thinks it's just a new conquest), she again visits his apartment, and soon realizes that he does not remember her, or who she is.

The husband, upon realizing what is going on, threatens to take the child away, and challenges the interloper to a duel. But before all this takes place, Jordan defers to a letter received just before the duel. A letter that reveals who his latest romantic interest is, and that he has a child. He slowly goes back in his memory, and finally realizes who this woman is.

I don't want to give everything away - you've got to see the film. It is beautifully executed, and the acting is superb. I hope you get a chance to see it.

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet

no, but i'll be sure to watch if you keep me reminded. is this a chick-flick?
summary?

PS, I like papillon too
I'm a McQueen fan

[Jet]

gee......i dunnoooooo.....could be too sensitive....its a mighty big departure from war and insensitive, oppressive prison flixk....and certainly hoity-toity for my classlessness.....ya think i could handle it, comrade?

you think you could bring me around?

[Jet]

FYI Carmen, i opened the Oscars thread so people can vote and comment.

take a gander
http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/foru...read.php?t=949

[cinderella]

Yanno, Ol' Jet, I don't go to the movies anymore - I purchase whatever I have in my collection - and they tend to be the classics.

My personal opinion...I do not care for what's being churned out in so-called Hollywood these days, so I'm not up to par on what the latest movies are, so there's no point in my watching the Oscars. Personally, I think it's a waste of time. Other then the British films, I can't see anything being produced today worth watching - much less being 'awarded' anything! But again, that's my own personal opinion.

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet

FYI Carmen, i opened the Oscars thread so people can vote and comment.

take a gander
http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/foru...read.php?t=949

[Jet]

Originally Posted by cinderella

Yanno, Ol' Jet, I don't go to the movies anymore - I purchase whatever I have in my collection - and they tend to be the classics.

My personal opinion...I do not care for what's being churned out in so-called Hollywood these days, so I'm not up to par on what the latest movies are, so there's no point in my watching the Oscars. Personally, I think it's a waste of time. Other then the British films, I can't see anything being produced today worth watching - much less being 'awarded' anything! But again, that's my own personal opinion.

The Blind Side is a wonderful true story. Good script, heartwarming story, and Sandra Bullock deserves to win, I don;t think she's ever won. What a performance. There's also two great actors from Precious. Now, i didn't like the movie at all..gritty, dark, depressing. But I need to say that Gabbie Sidibe and Mo'Nique who are up for Oscars, also deserve them. You feel it's way real when you watch them. Two terrific actors. Also, i'm pulling for Jeff Bridges in Crazy Heart. He's always been a great actor, never won and really delivers in the movie as a down and out, raw country singer on his last leg of his life. I see a lot of merit in these, and I enjoy people who i really admire have their moment in their craft.

[cinderella]

Underneath that 'macho', tough exterior, I like to think beats the heart of a 'softee' who doesn't want the world to know...then I could be totally wrong! lol

Yeah, I think you can handle it, Mr. toughguy, And if you do like it, you don't hafta admit it, and I promise not to tell anyone.

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet

gee......i dunnoooooo.....could be too sensitive....its a mighty big departure from war and insensitive, oppressive prison flixk....and certainly hoity-toity for my classlessness.....ya think i could handle it, comrade?

you think you could bring me around?

[Jet]

Originally Posted by cinderella

Underneath that 'macho', tough exterior, I like to think beats the heart of a 'softee' who doesn't want the world to know...then I could be totally wrong! lol

Yeah, I think you can handle it, Mr. toughguy, And if you do like it, you don't hafta admit it, and I promise not to tell anyone.

see ya at the chick flick, comrade (hugs)

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by cinderella

Apocalipstic, I love PAPILLION!! I saw the film before I read the book...and it's a good thing I did! The movie was wonderful, but the book was extraordinary!!

OK, HEADS UP!!!! March 27, on TCM, the debut of one of the best love stories ever...Letter From An Unknown Woman...Louis Jordan's American film debut. Joan Fontain's personal favorite film, and it will be yours as well. I absolutely love this film. Hey, Ol' Jet, do you know know this film? IMO, one of the best of this genre.

Will have to check it out! Thank you! I usually don't do chick flicks, but if its Gothic and Noirish count me in!

I care more about the cinematography, sets, acting than I do the actual plot. The plot is secondary for me. Probably why I like Altman so much.

Louis Jordan cracks me UP!

[cinderella]

I don't know why I used to term 'Gothic' because it really isn't. And only 'Noirish' in the black & white cinematography...but as you said, if plot isn't a primary concern, you will love this film for the atmospheric ambiance, the sets and the costumes. I too love and appreciate all these things about film - I am always checking out who the set and costume designers are in a film. However, unlike you, I want a good plot as well - it has to hold my interest, otherwise all the other accoutrements are not enough to satisfy me. But when a film has all these aspects - wow!! what an experience to engage most of the senses!!

I'm curious...why does Louis Jordan crack you up? He has never done anything comedic to my knowledge, unless I've missed some of his movies. He was more the leading man - he was extremely handsome. Did you see him in his debut film 'The Paradine Case' (1947)? An Alfred Hitchcock film, starring Gregogy Peck, Ann Todd, Charles Laughton, Ethel Barrymore, Leo G. Carroll, Louis Jordan, and as Mrs. Paradine - the elusive Italian beauty Alida Valli - better known as just 'Alida'. Great film. If you haven't seen it, try and do. As usual, if it's a Hitchcock film, you can't go wrong.

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Will have to check it out! Thank you! I usually don't do chick flicks, but if its Gothic and Noirish count me in!

I care more about the cinematography, sets, acting than I do the actual plot. The plot is secondary for me. Probably why I like Altman so much.

Louis Jordan cracks me UP!

[Jet]

Originally Posted by cinderella

I don't know why I used to term 'Gothic' because it really isn't. And only 'Noirish' in the black & white cinematography...but as you said, if plot isn't a primary concern, you will love this film for the atmospheric ambiance, the sets and the costumes. I too love and appreciate all these things about film - I am always checking out who the set and costume designers are in a film. However, unlike you, I want a good plot as well - it has to hold my interest, otherwise all the other accoutrements are not enough to satisfy me. But when a film has all these aspects - wow!! what an experience to engage most of the senses!!

I'm curious...why does Louis Jordan crack you up? He has never done anything comedic to my knowledge, unless I've missed some of his movies. He was more the leading man - he was extremely handsome. Did you see him in his debut film 'The Paradine Case' (1947)? An Alfred Hitchcock film, starring Gregogy Peck, Ann Todd, Charles Laughton, Ethel Barrymore, Leo G. Carroll, Louis Jordan, and as Mrs. Paradine - the elusive Italian beauty Alida Valli - better known as just 'Alida'. Great film. If you haven't seen it, try and do. As usual, if it's a Hitchcock film, you can't go wrong.

No honey, she's known as just Valli She didn't do a lot i know. Paradine Case is one of my favorites, too. I guess you know that.

Robert Altman did different things. I'm not really a fan, sort of like Stanley Kramer. They both did good things, I'm just not a real big fan of most of their things. See ya at the movies, comrades...

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by cinderella

I don't know why I used to term 'Gothic' because it really isn't. And only 'Noirish' in the black & white cinematography...but as you said, if plot isn't a primary concern, you will love this film for the atmospheric ambiance, the sets and the costumes. I too love and appreciate all these things about film - I am always checking out who the set and costume designers are in a film. However, unlike you, I want a good plot as well - it has to hold my interest, otherwise all the other accoutrements are not enough to satisfy me. But when a film has all these aspects - wow!! what an experience to engage most of the senses!!

I'm curious...why does Louis Jordan crack you up? He has never done anything comedic to my knowledge, unless I've missed some of his movies. He was more the leading man - he was extremely handsome. Did you see him in his debut film 'The Paradine Case' (1947)? An Alfred Hitchcock film, starring Gregogy Peck, Ann Todd, Charles Laughton, Ethel Barrymore, Leo G. Carroll, Louis Jordan, and as Mrs. Paradine - the elusive Italian beauty Alida Valli - better known as just 'Alida'. Great film. If you haven't seen it, try and do. As usual, if it's a Hitchcock film, you can't go wrong.

Atmospheric ambiance! I am there.

I do care about the plot, but it is not my main thing. I look at it from more of a Director and sometimes Producer angle....or as art.

I'm a huge Hitchcock fan, I studied him in college too.

Jordan? I don't know, maybe his facial expressions seem exagerated for me. When I see him, I can't help but giggle.

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet

No honey, she's known as just Valli She didn't do a lot i know. Paradine Case is one of my favorites, too. I guess you know that.

Robert Altman did different things. I'm not really a fan, sort of like Stanley Kramer. They both did good things, I'm just not a real big fan of most of their things. See ya at the movies, comrades...

I like how Altman controlled every detail of the set, but let the actors do whatever...exactly the opposite of Hitchcock or Billy Wilder.

and...

Comrades makes me smile.

[Jet]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Atmospheric ambiance! I am there.

I do care about the plot, but it is not my main thing. I look at it from more of a Director and sometimes Producer angle....or as art.

I'm a huge Hitchcock fan, I studied him in college too.

Jordan? I don't know, maybe his facial expressions seem exagerated for me. When I see him, I can't help but giggle.




I like how Altman controlled every detail of the set, but let the actors do whatever...exactly the opposite of Hitchcock or Billy Wilder.

and...

Comrades makes me smile.

You know, actually Cecile DeMille was the same way. He was known for epics and controlled his story. But he expected actors to know what they were doing, so he was known not to really direct the acting.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet

You know, actually Cecile DeMille was the same way. He was known for epics and controlled his story. But he expected actors to know what they were doing, so he was known not to really direct the acting.

I have not watched anything of his since college and I did not really study him. Perhaps this Spring.

[cinderella]

Giggle? That's so odd...oh well. Whenever I see him, I swoon!
John Saxon had the same affect on me, tho he never did anything of great importance that I can remember. Oh, and Hawaiian-born James Shigeta - of Japanese ancestry - (Bride to the Sun - 1961) what a beautiful man! I guess I lean toward the 'dark & handsome' types, huh? Ok, now I'm rambling, lol

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Jordan? I don't know, maybe his facial expressions seem exagerated for me. When I see him, I can't help but giggle.
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[cinderella]

Has anyone read The Alienist by Caleb Carr? What a fabulous movie that would make, and I'm wondering why someone hasn't 'jumped' on that one!! It's the story of an 'alienist' (old term for psychiatrist/psychoanalyst), and how he forms a band of 'sleuths' to investigate, track down, and capture the first known serial killer in old circa 1880's New York City. It is a facsinating and riviting tale, and if well executed, I think would be a block-buster. I am tempted to write Scorsese - it's just his kind of story!! He has the finnese (see The Age of Innocence), and the violent grittiness (see Raging Bull) to pull it off magnificently!!!

I would love to hear your comments/impressions of this story if you've read the book, and if you were casting it, who you'd pick - I personally see Daniel Day Lewis, or perhaps Jerramy Irons as Lazslo Krietzler (the alienist). If you haven't read this, you should - you will never forget it. It is a grizly and gritty tale that is a sure page-turner - you won't be able to put it down!! Young boy prostitute's dismembered bodies are turning up all over the city, and the police don't have a clue as to how to start solving these crimes. Steps in Dr. Krietzler and his unorthodox methods of solving the crimes - first indication of forensic science and it's methodology.

[cinderella]

On TCM Tonight - all times EST

5:30pm - On the Beach: Gregory Peck, Ava Gardner, Fred Astair, Anthony Perkins

8:00pm - A Streetcar Named Desire

10:15: Somebody Up There Likes Me

For the Nightowls

12:15am - Saturday Night Fever (yet again!! *groan*)

2:30am - Blackboard Jungle

4:15am - The Killers: Burt Lancaster, Ava Gardner

[Jet]

[quote=cinderella;61708]Giggle? That's so odd...oh well. Whenever I see him, I swoon!
John Saxon had the same affect on me, tho he never did anything of great importance that I can remember. Oh, and Hawaiian-born James Shigeta - of Japanese ancestry - (Bride to the Sun - 1961) what a beautiful man! I guess I lean toward the 'dark & handsome' types, huh? Ok, now I'm rambling, lol

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Jordan? I don't know, maybe his facial expressions seem exagerated for me. When I see him, I can't help but giggle.
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they have the same effect on me being the gay man that i am, giggle. maybe we can talk shoes sometime, carmen. we'll do lunch. my pic is john gavin out of those hunky 50s types.

[cinderella]

You're absolutely right, snookums!! It was 'Valli' - my thinking is getting dyslexic in my old age! Thanks for correcting me. I also love The Paradine Case - there's just something about that film...can't put my finger on it - the music, the sets, Peck's facination with Valli...I don't know, but I always watch it when it's on. I have a copy of it on tape, but it's not a very good one. If it's on dvd, I may just buy it. I'll check Amazon.com, I get most of my dvd 'deals' on there. I've got to re-purchase Brief Encounter (you know that's my favorite film, Ol' Jet). The copy I had cracked.

I'm with you on Kubric - I always disliked 2001: A Space Odyssy, and never understood what all the hoopla was about...I quite never 'got it'.

As for Altman, I'm not sure I know his films...

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet

No honey, she's known as just Valli She didn't do a lot i know. Paradine Case is one of my favorites, too. I guess you know that.

Robert Altman did different things. I'm not really a fan, sort of like Stanley Kramer. They both did good things, I'm just not a real big fan of most of their things. See ya at the movies, comrades...

[Martina]

Originally Posted by cinderella

I'm curious...why does Louis Jordan crack you up? He has never done anything comedic to my knowledge, unless I've missed some of his movies. He was more the leading man - he was extremely handsome.

Louis Jordan actually cracks me up. He reminds me of Pepe LePew.

i am just catching up on this thread. But i am not a noir fan. i love the melodramas. Some of them are NOT good films, but i love them all.

Giant -- it really is a melodrama
All That Heaven Allows
Written on the Wind
Magnificent Obsession
All About Eve
The Best Years of Our Lives
Black Narcissus
The Long, Hot Summer

[Jet]

Originally Posted by Martina

Louis Jordan actually cracks me up. He reminds me of Pepe LePew.

i am just catching up on this thread. But i am not a noir fan. i love the melodramas. Some of them are NOT good films, but i love them all.

Giant -- it really is a melodrama
All That Heaven Allows
Written on the Wind
Magnificent Obsession
All About Eve
The Best Years of Our Lives
Black Narcissus
The Long, Hot Summer

the best years of our lives in NOT a melodrama. it's a post war docu-drama by Wyler who did it as an account of the plight of returning servicemen and a changing America at the time. there's nothig melodramatic about it. it's also my favorite movie of all time and one of the best ever made IMO with 9 Oscars in 1946.