What you may not know about Chick-fil-A

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well-known activist and blogger Pam Spaulding:

IMHO, I’m not keen on this as an effective protest tool — it’s not about our right to love (ostensibly why gay couples will be there kissing), it’s about Chick-fil-As record of anti-gay discrimination and funding of groups that want us DEAD, endorse “ex-gay” therapy, and to deny LGBTs basic civil rights. The kiss-in seems more like a stunt for shock value that the fundies will try capitalize on by tying the action to sex acts that they abhor. The “ick” factor has been one of the major issues these folks cling to, like it or not. [snip]

I’m not saying that direct actions are useless; I just don’t think this particular one focuses on the vile business practices that are counter to equality under the law — and they are draped in religious bigotry that is funded by Chick-fil-A. It allows the framing of the issue to remain in the court of the fundamentalists. Gay=sex. Sex=icky. Remember, Chick-fil-A doesn’t mind firing adulterers, or non-Christians (the latter cost them a pretty penny for firing a Muslim that didn’t want to pray to Jesus at a corporate event). The world view is extremely narrow and discriminatory.

[BullDog]

It's about corporate profits funding anti-equality and anti-gay groups.

Oh and "free speech"- no I don't believe people have the right to publicly state just anything they want. They don't have a right to promote hate.

[LeftWriteFemme]

5 Reasons Why the Church Failed Yesterday


http://matthewpaulturner.net/blog/5-...led-yesterday/

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by LeftWriteFemme

5 Reasons Why the Church Failed Yesterday


http://matthewpaulturner.net/blog/5-...led-yesterday/

Great article. Thank you for posting it LeftWriteFemme.

Christianity is supposed to be about love. There are some so-called Christians who spend way too much time judging others and "hating the sin." I grew up in a Christian household and have read the Bible many times. Not once do I recall there being anything about telling people to go out and judge people and to determine what sin is. I don't think Jesus even had that right. Only God got to decide what sin is.

I am not a Christian but the two people who love me the most in this world are- my partner and my mother.

I wouldn't support a queer business owner sending corporate profits to "cure" people of Christianity any more than I would so-called Christians sending money to "cure" homosexuality. I wouldn't support gay people standing up and promoting hate against Christians. I don't support hate and people can spin it all they want and try to call it "free speech."

[weatherboi]

i think my biggest problem is the space to hate that has been created due to the founders stance on equality and marriage. even if i was gonna choose to go there it probably wouldn't be safe for me to do so for any number of reasons.one reason would be my overall fear that there is one petty hater that is gonna be making my sandwich and know i am a queer and decide to do something unthinkable to my meal. the second reason is that as a trans person my bathroom space will never be respected with the attitudes the company has set in place. they would probably call the cops on me for using the mens bathroom. thirdly if there is an incident ever involving me or anybody i love on any chik a fil a site we/ i will probably be seen as the bad guys because we all look like and are queers.

As a business owner it is never a good idea to support anything oppressive what so ever. The only reason chik a fil a can do so is because they are a billion dollar company and can do whatever they want because our religious influenced oppressive government has set it up so they can also oppress and i think that is now pretty obvious the influence big money has on our social policies. Chik Fil A is big money. They have people attempting to sue them all the time for their hiring and firing practices.

I think the same thoughts can be applied to a city or state. It is not in any city, state, or country's best interest to bring in companies that have oppressive policies and philosophies. It is not in any cities, states, country's best interest to have any equality issues what so ever. They lose good companies that are progressive. They lose talented young people to other progressive cities in other more open minded areas. We see it here all the time where I live. No protections for LGBT so we lose companies, we lose opportunities to have big companies here, and we lose talented young people.

Anti equality anything is hurtful anywhere to our economy, our people and the world as a whole. It does not create jobs when companies don't want to be in the same city as a company like chik a fil a. It doesn't create jobs when a city doesn't have protections in place for lgbt people. So if a city has a supportive LGBT policy and practice it makes perfect sense to me not to welcome chik a fil a in.

[BullDog]

Yes exactly Weatherboi. People promoting hate makes it unsafe for us. Anti equality of anything has nothing to do with free speech.

[Martina]

Well, they are challenging the separation of church and state at every turn. Not just legally, but as pseudo-historians. They actually believe there was no intention to separate church and state by the founders.

They would like to refound the country as a Christian nation based on what they understand as Christian values, forcing us all to adhere to them by law.

That is as un-American as it is possible to be, in my opinion.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...-state/240481/

[BullDog]

Here is what some of the gay employees are going through right now. It doesn't sound like they are hearing much about love and peace from recent patrons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ef=mostpopular

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by Martina

Well, they are challenging the separation of church and state at every turn. Not just legally, but as pseudo-historians. They actually believe there was no intention to separate church and state by the founders.

They would like to refound the country as a Christian nation based on what they understand as Christian values, forcing us all to adhere to them by law.

That is as un-American as it is possible to be, in my opinion.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...-state/240481/

Thanks Martina... i see your point...the article is very interesting and shows that the argument and challenges as to separation of church and state have been going on almost 200 years...but i don't believe those folks are not Americans or un-American...i don't agree with them at all but it is very American to stand up and challenge things or to fight for what you believe in...that's what led to the founding of this Country and also to social change...

i don't think they will be successful in refounding the Country according to their values but at the same time we absolutely cannot be complacent when it comes to social issues, our rights or our leaders...we must vote for the candidates and issues we believe in and not leave it up to everyone else to fight to fight for us...

If the passage of Amendment One (NC marriage amendment) taught us (i'm referring to the LGBT community here in NC) anything i hope it taught us to get out and vote against these things rather than merely paying them lipservice or believing that your (speaking in general terms not addressing any one person) vote will not make a difference...

Can you imagine what would happen if we turned out to vote with the same dogged passion and in the proportionate numbers as the Chick-fil-a supporters the other day?

[Mrs Arcstriker]

The more that I hear about this debate, the more that I think we have bigger fish (or chickens) to fry...

IMHO, I am a lesbian, and legally married in the GREAT STATE OF CONNECTICUT...and that said, I do not think that a kiss-in will help our cause a fig.

To me, this whole Chick-fil-a thing is nothing more than a herring in the path and I for one will not jump on the bandwagon...any moresoe than I did when it was J C Penney under fire by the Million Moms after Ellen Degeneres was appointed the spokeswoman.

Spend your money there or don't...You all have to choose with your own conscience...A kiss-in though will prove nothing more to the right than what they already know to be true...They think that the sum-total of homosexuality is about sex, and to thrust it into their faces in the forum of a kiss-in might only to foster that point...