Was at the Dr today for my Militia physical

[BullDog]

I certainly see a lot of contradictions all right.

I care about how new and young people are treated here- not one of our strong points. As I say, until I see any reason not to, I will cut them slack. I don't care for lying or deceit of any kind, but if they aren't endangering others it is their problem to deal with.

[Ginger]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I don't care for lying or deceit of any kind, but if they aren't endangering others it is their problem to deal with.

Hey, Bulldog. Not talking about this thread in particular but in a general way—

I have to respectfully disagree.

I think lying and deceitfulness violate a tacit agreement on online forums that people will represent themselves authentically.

If I invest time and thought and emotion into building online friendships and comradery with people on a social website, I will feel tricked and used if their side of it was fictional, while mine was not.

It's like I'm naked, and they have all their clothes on—but were pretending to be naked. If that makes sense. Probably not.

Let me try again.

I don't want to be used as an audience for someone's need to be something other that who they really are.

It disgusts me. I would tell them, Go jerk off to some other reader.

And it's okay that you and I have such different views on it, I just wanted to say mine.

Thanks,
Scout

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by IslandScout

Hey, Bulldog. Not talking about this thread in particular but in a general way—

I have to respectfully disagree.

I think lying and deceitfulness violate a tacit agreement on online forums that people will represent themselves authentically.

If I invest time and thought and emotion into building online friendships and comradery with people on a social website, I will feel tricked and used if their side of it was fictional, while mine was not.

It's like I'm naked, and they have all their clothes on—but were pretending to be naked. If that makes sense. Probably not.

Let me try again.

I don't want to be used as an audience for someone's need to be something other that who they really are.

It disgusts me. I would tell them, Go jerk off to some other reader.

And it's okay that you and I have such different views on it, I just wanted to say mine.

Thanks,
Scout

If I feel someone is liar I wont engage with them. I don't form any sort of emotional investment with them.

I have known of many people who have misrepresented themselves on these forums, some in minor ways and some in major ways, some for many years. There is never any excuse for it, but I am under no illusion that the majority of people represent themselves here authentically. Some do. Some people I do know personally and although the online world doesn't completely do them justice, they are real and authentic people.

Kobi, interesting theory. Personally I don't think high school boys would pose this way or know enough about butch femme. I can't imagine why someone would say they were happily engaged to their high school sweetheart if they wanted to pull the rug over on the whole forum. I would think we would see Super Stud Single Butch. Shrug. Who knows.

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I certainly see a lot of contradictions all right.

I care about how new and young people are treated here- not one of our strong points. As I say, until I see any reason not to, I will cut them slack. I don't care for lying or deceit of any kind, but if they aren't endangering others it is their problem to deal with.

I disagree. When someone comes into a community and lies and deceives, it's a problem, and shouldn't be ignored. All societies socialize their members.

However, that wasn't really my issue. I posted that the thread seems self-serving and self-congratulatory. when Stephie said that wasn't the intent, I asked for clarification of the intent by making a thread out of this, rather than just posting a comment in another thread. Stephie has chosen not to respond, which is certainly Stephie's right, but it doesn't help me change my opinion if it is, indeed, a misunderstanding on my part.

[BullDog]

LOL she starts threads every time she has a thought. I don't think she quite gets the navigation system- so on that one point I do think you are over thinking.

Keep on beating at this if you want to. I see worse problems on this forum that are more important of my attention, and there is lots of lying and shitty behavior that happens all the time.

[Novelafemme]

Negative attention is still attention, folks.

[aishah]

okay, i only read part of this thread because my head started to hurt.

i came in here to say...assuming what you say is true because i like to believe the best of people...i am so so happy for you that you're meeting your body and athletic goals.

but i've also had an eating disorder for half my life and i lost my period and put my body in severe danger by having too little body fat (and the amount of body fat one needs for women is higher than for men). i was at my sickest when i was most athletic (i'm a dancer). i didn't mind losing my period but i mind now the long-term damage to my reproductive system, bones, and metabolism.

i'm not saying you have an eating disorder, but for any woman, having body fat % that low is really dangerous.

please please take care of yourself.

[Parker]

Originally Posted by Okiebug61

I have a scale that measures your BMI. Mine just said please step off Now! Is there a hidden meaning here?

I lol'd at this.

I use my Wii Fit Plus board to weigh myself and get my body fat measurements - I like it better than the VA scales because they got me weighing 20lbs heavier than my WFP

But every time I step onto my WFP board, the damn thing says, "OH!" ... as if I am so damn heavy even the machine cant take it!

And when my body fat measurement comes up, she tells me, "That's obese!" as if I dont already know that!

I hate that damn thing - she's so mean. lol



eta: ugh - I totally want to eat now! lol

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by Parker

I lol'd at this.

I use my Wii Fit Plus board to weigh myself and get my body fat measurements - I like it better than the VA scales because they got me weighing 20lbs heavier than my WFP

But every time I step onto my WFP board, the damn thing says, "OH!" ... as if I am so damn heavy even the machine cant take it!

And when my body fat measurement comes up, she tells me, "That's obese!" as if I dont already know that!

I hate that damn thing - she's so mean. lol

eta: ugh - I totally want to eat now! lol

Yes but at least it does so in that cute alien-ish voice, like mine does when it tells me I haven't quite reached my goal. LOL

[NJFemmie]

Originally Posted by Parker

I lol'd at this.

I use my Wii Fit Plus board to weigh myself and get my body fat measurements - I like it better than the VA scales because they got me weighing 20lbs heavier than my WFP

But every time I step onto my WFP board, the damn thing says, "OH!" ... as if I am so damn heavy even the machine cant take it!

And when my body fat measurement comes up, she tells me, "That's obese!" as if I dont already know that!

I hate that damn thing - she's so mean. lol



eta: ugh - I totally want to eat now! lol

Haha! I HATE that "OH", and I don't think I even warrant an "OH".
Now, if it were "ooooohhhhh", I could deal, but really?!?
She makes me very angry sometimes.

[*Anya*]

Originally Posted by Parker

I lol'd at this.

I use my Wii Fit Plus board to weigh myself and get my body fat measurements - I like it better than the VA scales because they got me weighing 20lbs heavier than my WFP

But every time I step onto my WFP board, the damn thing says, "OH!" ... as if I am so damn heavy even the machine cant take it!

And when my body fat measurement comes up, she tells me, "That's obese!" as if I dont already know that!

I hate that damn thing - she's so mean. lol



eta: ugh - I totally want to eat now! lol

OMFG! This is the funniest thing ever!

Not that the voice is mean but your post!

I think I would want to throw that board out the window.

Btw, my BMI barely makes it into average now. One more fraction of a fraction of an ounce and, well, you know....

I don't think I had 3% body fat when I was born.

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Keep on beating at this if you want to. I see worse problems on this forum that are more important of my attention, and there is lots of lying and shitty behavior that happens all the time.

Gee, last time I looked I didn't ask for anyone's permission to post in threads, but thanks for granting yours. Furthermore, according to you, there are worse problems that are more important of your attention, yet, here you are, commenting about my involvement in THIS thread. Did I miss something?

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by QueenofSmirks

Gee, last time I looked I didn't ask for anyone's permission to post in threads, but thanks for granting yours. Furthermore, according to you, there are worse problems that are more important of your attention, yet, here you are, commenting about my involvement in THIS thread. Did I miss something?

LOL thee Almighty BullDog was not granting you any permission. Eyeball roll.

EDIT: I am really going to try and make this my last post here because this is truly ridiculous.

I see a new young person that as far as I know is a young 23 year butch. I think what a difference it would have made if I could have found a butch femme community at that age, and I hope for the best and give the kid some slack.

If it turns out she is not who she says she is, I will fill a twinge of sadness and my life will go on. She will not have harmed me.

It really, really does bother me how a part of our community treats new and young people here. It really, really does not make me feel good.

I am done.

[QueenofSmirks]

Originally Posted by BullDog

LOL thee Almight BullDog was not granting you any permission. Eyeball roll.

Now please don't use that tone, because it's kind of hot, and makes it difficult to stay adversarial. *smirk*

Ok, well to clarify, that was in response to your one-liner, not your edited, expanded post.

[aishah]

Originally Posted by BullDog

LOL thee Almighty BullDog was not granting you any permission. Eyeball roll.

EDIT: I am really going to try and make this my last post here because this is truly ridiculous.

I see a new young person that as far as I know is a young 23 year butch. I think what a difference it would have made if I could have found a butch femme community at that age, and I hope for the best and give the kid some slack.

If it turns out she is not who she says she is, I will fill a twinge of sadness and my life will go on. She will not have harmed me.

It really, really does bother me how a part of our community treats new and young people here. It really, really does not make me feel good.

I am done.

this might be a bit of a derail, but the ageism issue has come up in a few threads recently, and i think i'm one of the youngest posters here so it's made me stop and think.

i found this community shortly after i turned 24 and it's definitely changed my life and i'm really grateful for it.

there've been a few cases where i've felt people were condescending towards me because of my age, but thankfully those have been relatively few and far between.

i'm grateful that there are people here who actively want to welcome younger people and who value what we have to say. not only that, but people who want (and are willing to support) our participation fully in the community - it meant a lot to me to get a scholarship to the reunion and to have people ask me and follow up with me about being able to go. and to have people just continuously engage with me through rep comments, posts, and pms. i have almost always felt welcomed and valued here.

i definitely wouldn't want anyone to leave because they felt attacked on the basis of age. (or because they felt like they did/said something stupid...i think we've all done that here more than a few times. i know i have, and often it had nothing to do with age.)

[QueenofSmirks]

I'm all for a community of diversity, however, I don't believe in excusing people's behavior because of X (pick age or whatever you'd like). Yes, I can see how some mistakes can be made because of someone's inexperience with the website; yes, I did see some extremely vicious posts in response to the OP, but I would expect a person who is a PhD candidate from MIT to be able to understand where the conflict is coming from and why, and to formulate a response. At 23 I worked full time, went to school, and was paying a mortgage. 23 is adulthood. Young adulthood yes, but still adulthood.

[firegal]

Originally Posted by BullDog

LOL thee Almighty BullDog was not granting you any permission. Eyeball roll.

EDIT: I am really going to try and make this my last post here because this is truly ridiculous.

I see a new young person that as far as I know is a young 23 year butch. I think what a difference it would have made if I could have found a butch femme community at that age, and I hope for the best and give the kid some slack.

If it turns out she is not who she says she is, I will fill a twinge of sadness and my life will go on. She will not have harmed me.

It really, really does bother me how a part of our community treats new and young people here. It really, really does not make me feel good.

I am done.

Again i dont get it... So what age is appropriate to engage in questioning statements and facts that seem downright questionable?..... 30...35?

and how long do we have to wait for the new member to respond to not one but many questionable statements?..... 6 months.....1 year?

So what changes in that time as far as our facts and "treatment" goes?

I thought treatment had to do with how we asked,what we said, how we said it,

I didnt realize that just questioning the validity/facts was outright poor treatment.

I was raised that if it smells like poop.... go ahead call it poop!

and/or its ok to question things and encouraged at times to do so.....

While using respectfull language.

I will stand by how my mom taught me!

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by firegal

Again i dont get it... So what age is appropriate to engage in questioning statements and facts that seem downright questionable?..... 30...35?

and how long do we have to wait for the new member to respond to not one but many questionable statements?..... 6 months.....1 year?

So what changes in that time as far as our facts and "treatment" goes?

I thought treatment had to do with how we asked,what we said, how we said it,

I didnt realize that just questioning the validity/facts was outright poor treatment.

I was raised that if it smells like poop.... go ahead call it poop!

and/or its ok to question things and encouraged at times to do so.....

While using respectfull language.

I will stand by how my mom taught me!

Yes the "poop" has been called out by you and several others multiple times.

What do you want, blood?

People can always contact Admin if they think it's a serious issue.

[stephfromMIT]

Originally Posted by QueenofSmirks

I disagree. When someone comes into a community and lies and deceives, it's a problem, and shouldn't be ignored. All societies socialize their members.

However, that wasn't really my issue. I posted that the thread seems self-serving and self-congratulatory. when Stephie said that wasn't the intent, I asked for clarification of the intent by making a thread out of this, rather than just posting a comment in another thread. Stephie has chosen not to respond, which is certainly Stephie's right, but it doesn't help me change my opinion if it is, indeed, a misunderstanding on my part.

Sorry Smirks. My clarification- I was just talking about an interesting thing that had happened to me. Someone also wondered why I posted it as a new thread: In general, I prefer not to hijack threads. I may need to get over that fear, though.

[Parker]

Originally Posted by stephfromMIT

Sorry Smirks. My clarification- I was just talking about an interesting thing that had happened to me. Someone also wondered why I posted it as a new thread: In general, I prefer not to hijack threads. I may need to get over that fear, though.

If you pick the right thread, it isnt a hijack.

I agree, going into the Daddy/girl thread to talk about your BMI would probably be a derail and send them all to shaking and scratching their heads!

But the CIJS (Can I Just Say) thread, for example, is filled with a lot of BFPers (like me) just sharing info about themselves, their day, their lives, etc; and while the YSK (You Should Know) thread started out as something different, it has evolved into the same kind of thread - a sort of YSK this or that about me (general me, not just me Parker lol).

Those are just 2 off of the top of my head - there are loads of others in various other areas of the forums where you can share a few things about yourself without feeling like you are derailing.