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Old 09-20-2012, 03:28 PM   #1
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I understand that there are female IDed butches and I've dated several of them. My initial post was intended to be inclusive, not hurtful. I posted it in trans appreciation bc I was dating a transguy at the time and my 10 things list was written about him. I included butch and other IDs in that first post bc I realized as i was posting it that i didn't want anyone to feel like they couldn't post some appreciative words just bc their person is female IDed. I wasn't trying to disrespect anyone or negate the experiences of female IDed butches. I thought I was just being inclusive. I'm sorry if you were offended.
I get you meant no harm and I appreciate your apology..... But.......and yes there is a but........

It's not just female id'd butch folks. There are male id'd butch folks who are not trans. There are butch folks who do not identify with masculinity in any form, who view butch as a different kind of femininity.

And I brought this up because I cannot and will not be silent when I see butch of the non-trans varieties conflated with trans and/or man.

1ladyface.... I did not bring it up to call you out on anything because it's not really about you as an individual. And the learning curve here is a monster......the post would have been entirely appropriate in the Trans Zone folder speaking your thanks (thread titled Trans Appreciation) to trans/men and leaving out the 'inclusive' aspects and no reason for any non-trans person to get our panties/boxers in a bunch ..........at least that is my nickels worth....
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:48 PM   #2
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And I brought this up because I cannot and will not be silent when I see butch of the non-trans varieties conflated with trans and/or man.

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I disagree with you Toughy. Based on 1ladyface's response I don't see conflation.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:02 PM   #3
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And I brought this up because I cannot and will not be silent when I see butch of the non-trans varieties conflated with trans and/or man.

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I disagree with you Toughy. Based on 1ladyface's response I don't see conflation.
Any time butch and trans are put together we are automatically seen as he/male and referred to or compared to that.

It seems people are good about respecting those who do not wish to be called she or a woman. We would like the same courtesy in return.

I think it is nice to have a trans appreciation thread.
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Any time butch and trans are put together we are automatically seen as he/male and referred to or compared to that.
This bears repeating.
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