The Debates

PapiChino · 10-04-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Martina

The Presidential and VP Debates.

Well, number one was a bust for Obama. Romney was on fire and ignored the ancient Jim Lehrer, who seemed only to monitor President Obama's time.

But I am shocked that Obama was so poorly prepared. God, Mitt was good. Scary.

Maybe Romney's lies shocked him. But the President DID look tired and he stuttered often. Oh well....on to the next debate..

DMW · 10-04-2012, 09:18 PM

watch this...http://www.bradblog.com/?p=1050

ohhh i didn't see this...and someone that Curtis worked with was murdered also.. i forget all of the details...awhile ago...http://www.votinglies.com/

Diebold and sequoia... 2 companies and 2 states just for starters
OHIO in 2004 and then florida in 2000. there were more of course..but, those were the kickers

Diebold todayhttp://kaystreet.wordpress.com/2012/...ote-control-2/

one of the greatest...i will never forget...Senators like Hillary were demanding paper receipts of ballots for her state and the nation. so that the voter at least had a paper print out from these
backward machines. I will always pull a straight ticket no matter what now.

and now redistricting fraud... ugh

and some more voter fraud info...from old. haven't visited it in awhile
http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/for....cgi?pg=topics

DMW · 10-04-2012, 09:51 PM

Nice, bev has kept the states updated...http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/for....cgi?pg=topics

ES&S is another screwed up fraud machine company. http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ I cannot recall, at the moment, if they merged or were bought out by diebold or sequoia or visa versa...doesn't matter really.

The only good thing is to get a paper receipt. some machines are better than others. point is...can't trust it and it is even more of a reason to vote.

and bain...http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-profits-video

and redistricting and karl rove and the koch brothers...this is just basic information. there is a shit storm of redistricting across the nation.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/..._redistricting

Martina · 10-04-2012, 09:56 PM

Politico was saying that this is going to get donor money flowing again. He has had some fundraising woes lately -- Romney has.

Also, they have not had effective ads. The clips from this -- again, according to that article -- will provide a lot of good material for future ads.

Plus, the increase in credibility will mean that more voters will be willing to actually listen to his message. For a few the message will resonate.

Unless there are some great Obama ads focusing on Romney's lying, I think it's a net good for Romney.

Slater · 10-04-2012, 11:04 PM

Romney is now saying that he was completely wrong about the 47% so it's going to be harder for Obama to leverage that. He still can, with something along the lines of how out of touch he must be to have thought that in the first place AND taken so long to realize he was wrong.

In the end, Obama saving the auto industry might be the difference in the election because the industrial Midwest is where this election will hinge.

Corkey · 10-04-2012, 11:06 PM

Obama is polling at 54%, so he got a bump out of the debates as well. I think folks are starting to see the real Mitt, and are not liking what they see.

Rockinonahigh · 10-05-2012, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Corkey

Obama is polling at 54%, so he got a bump out of the debates as well. I think folks are starting to see the real Mitt, and are not liking what they see.

Ya know, I've been thinking this is just what the president wanted people to see.The more Romney blows and goes the worst he gets,a snake oil peddler chant, sooner or later it will get him.

Martina · 10-05-2012, 02:58 AM

CNN reports that the President himself is not pleased with his performance. We'll see how it goes in two weeks. Here's hoping that Romney doesn't get much of a bump and that Obama's ad guys do some genius work.

DapperButch · 10-05-2012, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PapiChino

Maybe Romney's lies shocked him. But the President DID look tired and he stuttered often. Oh well....on to the next debate..

Yes, I thought to myself that Romney lying/changing up might have thrown Obama off. Obama's mind must have been a bit blown at that moment. Since Obama can be good at hiding emotions we may not have seen this on his face.

Martina · 10-05-2012, 12:03 PM

Rasmussen and WeAskAmerica have Romney getting bumps in Florida and Virginia. Rasmussen always sorta favors Romney, but if they detect a change, then I imagine there was one. I don't know much about the WeAskAmerica folks.

Gallup's national poll gave Obama a one point bump. Go figure.

Anyway, here's hoping the job numbers make up some of the difference. Obama is lucky, and luck is part of the equation.

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DMW Member How Do You Identify?: FTM/Male (Will 14) Relationship Status: Caught An Angel and she doesn't lie! Join Date: May 2012 Location: @ Posts: 784 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,256 Thanked 1,858 Times in 614 Posts Rep Power: 21474850	watch this...http://www.bradblog.com/?p=1050 ohhh i didn't see this...and someone that Curtis worked with was murdered also.. i forget all of the details...awhile ago...http://www.votinglies.com/ Diebold and sequoia... 2 companies and 2 states just for starters OHIO in 2004 and then florida in 2000. there were more of course..but, those were the kickers Diebold todayhttp://kaystreet.wordpress.com/2012/...ote-control-2/ one of the greatest...i will never forget...Senators like Hillary were demanding paper receipts of ballots for her state and the nation. so that the voter at least had a paper print out from these backward machines. I will always pull a straight ticket no matter what now. and now redistricting fraud... ugh and some more voter fraud info...from old. haven't visited it in awhile http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/for....cgi?pg=topics Last edited by DMW; 10-04-2012 at 09:39 PM.

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DMW Member How Do You Identify?: FTM/Male (Will 14) Relationship Status: Caught An Angel and she doesn't lie! Join Date: May 2012 Location: @ Posts: 784 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,256 Thanked 1,858 Times in 614 Posts Rep Power: 21474850	Nice, bev has kept the states updated...http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/for....cgi?pg=topics ES&S is another screwed up fraud machine company. http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ I cannot recall, at the moment, if they merged or were bought out by diebold or sequoia or visa versa...doesn't matter really. The only good thing is to get a paper receipt. some machines are better than others. point is...can't trust it and it is even more of a reason to vote. and bain...http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-profits-video and redistricting and karl rove and the koch brothers...this is just basic information. there is a shit storm of redistricting across the nation. http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/..._redistricting Last edited by DMW; 10-04-2012 at 10:16 PM.

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10-04-2012, 09:56 PM	#4
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,285 Times in 4,167 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	Politico was saying that this is going to get donor money flowing again. He has had some fundraising woes lately -- Romney has. Also, they have not had effective ads. The clips from this -- again, according to that article -- will provide a lot of good material for future ads. Plus, the increase in credibility will mean that more voters will be willing to actually listen to his message. For a few the message will resonate. Unless there are some great Obama ads focusing on Romney's lying, I think it's a net good for Romney.

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Slater Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Seattle area Posts: 147 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 41 Thanked 793 Times in 129 Posts Rep Power: 14631970	Romney is now saying that he was completely wrong about the 47% so it's going to be harder for Obama to leverage that. He still can, with something along the lines of how out of touch he must be to have thought that in the first place AND taken so long to realize he was wrong. In the end, Obama saving the auto industry might be the difference in the election because the industrial Midwest is where this election will hinge.

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Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,285 Times in 4,167 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	CNN reports that the President himself is not pleased with his performance. We'll see how it goes in two weeks. Here's hoping that Romney doesn't get much of a bump and that Obama's ad guys do some genius work.

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Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,285 Times in 4,167 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	Rasmussen and WeAskAmerica have Romney getting bumps in Florida and Virginia. Rasmussen always sorta favors Romney, but if they detect a change, then I imagine there was one. I don't know much about the WeAskAmerica folks. Gallup's national poll gave Obama a one point bump. Go figure. Anyway, here's hoping the job numbers make up some of the difference. Obama is lucky, and luck is part of the equation.